That mideastweb is the most unbiased source for facts on the israeli-palestinian conflict is self explanatory, you have only to check it. The fact that Ami Isseroff's (and the other contributor's) intention was exactly that certainly helped. http://www.mideastweb.org/about.htm MidEast Web was started by people active in Middle East dialog and peace education efforts. Our goal is to weave a world-wide web of Arabs, Jews and others who want to build a new Middle East based on coexistence and neighborly relations. Our members and staff include distinguished educators, engineers, Web designers and other professionals experienced in dialog, peace education projects and in promoting dialog and coexistence using the Internet. MidEast Web for Coexistence is a registered non-government organization in Israel. http://www.mideastweb.org/goals.htm In order to change attitudes, we need to bring our message to a mass audience. Internet is only one means of doing so - the least expensive. To reach a mass audience, we must: Be neutral - We must not be agents or spokesmen for one side or the other. MidEast Web is being built by people of all faiths from many countries. We are all united in common values of decency, non-violence and neighborly respect. When we come to MidEast Web, we try to leave behind, as much as possible, our opinions about different conflicts, and to break the habit of finding blame and "finger pointing." We will publicize different views, so long as they are honest, well presented, informed and presented in a non-inflammatory way. http://www.mideastweb.org/policy.htm Choice of Materials Materials at the MidEastWeb Web site reflect the MidEastWeb group goals and mission: Opinions reflect a spectrum of voices for peace and coexistence. MidEastWeb is not responsible for opinions of individuals. Articles are not censored, but must follow MidEastWeb guidelines. Historical materials, reference materials and news are intended to be accurate and balanced, relying on professional news services, public domain documents and recognized historical accounts. We intend to provide information, not to prove that one or another political opinion is correct. If you find errors or unfair imbalance in any materials at MidEastWeb, please report the problem to us, explaining exactly why you you think the item or account is incorrect or unfair. http://www.mideastweb.org/guidelines.htm These guidelines are really the heart of what MidEast Web is about. We ask that you follow them for news, information, materials you contribute, comments at the MEW log and forum, and in discussion groups and dialogs. We hope that you follow them in your daily lives and contacts with others as well. 1. Tell the truth - tell the facts, even if unpleasant, but tell them in a way that helps bring understanding and change for the better. Telling the truth obligates us to be frank, but it also obligates us to check our ideas and sources, to ask people to review our materials and get a second opinion. etc. etc. Long live mideastweb.org!
Zip up your pants, I never mentioned either. I am merely interested in what is the motivation behind this argument. You two seem to be arguing against Israel's right to exist based on the historic evidence as you view it. And if you are not arguing against Israel's right to exist, what is the use of this argument at all? In particular, what is the use of this argument in a thread wholly dedicated to a completely different subject, namely Iran's efforts to bring Holocaust denial to a worldwide stage? Are you trying to defend Iran's denial of Holocaust by pointing out that, Holocaust or not, Israel's claim to existence is slim anyhow? It would seem consistent with your staunchly anti-Israel stance on all issues, including defending indefensible actions by Israel's opponents. And don't give me the "other people goaded me into this" line, because you know it's BS. Let us suppose Israel recognizes that you and Andy are entirely and unequivocally right about history. What happens then?
I love these million-and-counting threads recounting the history of Israel. Almost as much as the new Iranian-made jalopies threads. Of course we know the answer to that question - they all join hands with the Iranians and accept Iran as the true guardian of the jews. Those jewish bankers controlling the world might have to find some other line of work, though. Do they allow jewish banking in Iran?
why are some people so paranoid about the conference if they have nothing to hide? Let's bring out the facts and get rid of the myth for once and all.
What myth is that? That Iran was not attacked by chemical weapons by Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war? After all, no WMD's were ever found in Iraq so there is just no way that Iraq ever had them thus could never have used them against Iran.
Stop your mental masturbation. Some historical facts were wrongly reported and i showed they were wrongly reported. END. What's so hard to understand? I didn't want to claim anything nor i wanted to suggest anything. And if you go back and read again my posts you will notice.
Mental? Oh, you mean Ahmadigebollock's reports on the historical merits of the Holocaust myth. Is that what you were so eager to show was wrong? Please do quote, I am too busy with masturbating at the moment to flip through the pages.
Then stop posting useless data. Even if you are right, (which you are not by any measure), why bring up that irrelevant information now unless you question Israel's existence and want some historical revision. I would say then, go to your beloved UN or send them a letter expressing your wonderful suggestions and maybe then UN will take a vote and give Sardinia to Palesinians.
Sardinia should be given to the Pals to make up for war crimes the Romans committed against the Pals for all those years.
Long winded and ultimately it comes down to: we are unbiased because we say we are. Let's just agree to disagree. I don't trust your sources, you don't trust mine. You will never be convinced and you feel the same about me. Like someone else wrote, we need to deal with the here and now. This all started because of this holocaust convention and the mistaken idea that Israel exists solely due to holocaust guilt. Ultimately the question I have to ask you is whether you support this holocaust convention or not. What is your answer to that?
Public denial of the Holocaust is a criminal offence in Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, France, Germany, Israel, Lithuania, Poland, Romania, Slovakia and Switzerland, and is punishable by fines and jail sentences. People have been imprisoned and fined for voicing their opinions. Most Scholars do not even attempt to debate the specifics of the holocaust because alot of holocaust deniers in the past altered or ignored the evidence for the holocaust, because they were more likely committed to an ideology than seeking historical accuracy. If Scholars ignored the methods used by these holocaust deniers in the past, perhaps the debate can be opened up again, and in Iran of all places, why not? The Iranis cannot discuss historical events or what? As far as Im concerned, Israel is a very illegal entity. You know, I truly believe if a claim is false, you only need THE TRUTH to silence it, not prison time or fines. Why can they not host a conference on the holocaust?
Funny you saying this because if I am not mistaken that in SA if you even try to practice another religion isn't it grounds for punishment up to and including death?
Crank (person) From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. "Crank" (or kook, crackpot, or quack) is a pejorative term for a person who writes or speaks in an authoritative fashion about a particular subject, often of a scientific or pseudo-scientific nature, but is perceived as holding false or even ludicrous beliefs. Crank is also used as a noun to describe the opinions of such people (see American Heritage Dictionary 2000 - noun definition 3). Usage of the label is often subjective, with proponents of competing theories labeling each other cranks, but the term principally refers to someone who occupies a position outside of widely accepted beliefs or mainstream opinion on a matter, as well as a person of dubious mental stability. List of commonly held crank beliefs in politics, economics, and law: -Some conspiracy theories -Currency crankism -Federal Reserve conspiracies -Social credit -Tax protesters -Holocaust denial -Supporters of Lyndon LaRouche -Supporters of Bo Gritz -Supporters of the Posse Comitatus -Certain supporters of a gold standard as opposed to fiat money (goldbugs) -New World Order / Trilateral Commission / Council on Foreign Relations conspiracy theorists -Spectral evidence in which legal testimony based on apparitions and dreams are considered admissible in a court of law
two wrongs do not make a right. We are debating the right to speak about the holocaust, and only that...just because country X has prohibitive laws does not mean you can overlook your unjust laws. I hope you are not conceding that KSA and those European countries I listed can be compared judicially and democratically.
Having a dialogue about the Holocaust is one thing, but what the Iranian government and their ilk are doing is, quite frankly, silly - namely, trying to ignore or pervert overwhelming historical evidence in order to further a political agenda. You can try and pretend that it's an academic discussion all you want, but the reality of the situation is that Holocaust denial is about as legitimate an academic subject as phrenology or alchemy.
You're rather amusingly wrong. Really? They've always spoken highly of you. I truly believe Muhammad was a creepy-ass pedophile. Since you only need THE TRUTH to silence me, why can I not wear my "Muhammad put the sausage to 9-year-olds" T-shirt in downtown Riyadh?
Sigh. well, when a majority or poweful group disagrees with a minority position, the person with the message is, depending on the nature of his adversaries: - labelled a crackpot/quack - called a liar - banished - persecuted against Mainstream ideas and stances will always be hard to change, even historical scholars will be afraid of changing the status quo if this means they have a personal price to pay.
Let us get this straight. In the 40 plus years since the holocaust ended, you don't believe that this issue has been adequately investigated and the trials were conducted incorrectly. You believe that the sole purpose of the conference is to get at the truth and there is no other motive.
What unjust laws? Anyone can deny the holocaust in America, join the Nazi party, and march through a Jewish neighbourhood. Something to look forward to on your next visit to America.