Input on fees please

Discussion in 'Referee' started by Christopher, Jul 16, 2013.

  1. Christopher

    Christopher Member

    Apr 26, 2003
    Where I am located there will be a discussion by the primary league in this area on increasing referee pay. This is the first adjustment in 10-years and I would like to gather data for comparative use during these discussions. This is competive select soccer and the age divisions are U8 up through and including U18. I am in the midwest and would appreciate data from anyone in the following staes; Ohio, Indiana, Pennsylvania West, Michigan, Kentucky, Illinois,. Input from others is welcome as well, just simply trying to compare apples-to-apples.

    Thanks in advance for any replies.
     
  2. Dayton Ref

    Dayton Ref Member+

    May 3, 2012
    Houston, TX
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
  3. Law5

    Law5 Member+

    Mar 24, 2005
    Beaverton OR
    Rather than looking for comparable rates in other states, I'd suggest looking at other leagues in the area. E.g. what does high school pay? what does college pay? what does adult amateur pay? Of course, you need to adjust for time commitment as well. (e.g. a men's adult game will require two hours of the referee's time, while a U-8 game won't.) Degree of difficulty should also be taken into consideration.
    The other argument that you should consider making is the difficulty of covering games with enough referees. Supply and demand.
     
  4. Christopher

    Christopher Member

    Apr 26, 2003
    This is exactly what I am attempting to do which is why I made a request of a specific geographic region. As to the components of comparing time frames for different age groups, those are well known on this end as well. Looking for some comparisons on fees as we are very well aware of components such as time committment, difficulty, availability, travel, competing fees, qualifications, and many more. As an economist I am aware of the many factors and components to take into consideration. What I need is the base component of
     
  5. Rufusabc

    Rufusabc Member+

    May 27, 2004
    I think the pool is shrinking in some states (hearsay, only, around the tent).

    We instituted summer courses for the first time in memory in NJ. Can't come close to filling them.

    And leagues are starting to raise fees. The trainer/club fees have exploded and the officiating costs have stayed stagnant. The OP says fees haven't changed in 10 years. I bet the trainer/ coach/ club/ tourney fees have jumped significantly in those years.
     
  6. Law5

    Law5 Member+

    Mar 24, 2005
    Beaverton OR
    Hey, if you've got instructors who are available to do grade 8 courses, we could use them. I have every entry level class full for the rest of the summer. Generally something about mom wanting the kids to do something this summer. :) We'd add more classes, but we don't have enough instructors available.
     
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  7. RichM

    RichM Member

    Barcelona
    United States
    Nov 18, 2009
    Meridian, ID
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not your area of concern - but typical competitive/club rates in Los Angeles and Orange County are $1.50/minute for what is called "Bronze" through "Gold" level and $1.65/minute for "Premier" level U17-U19.

    Normalizing by a $ per minute rate is typical around here with different rates depending on level of competition. For example, in the league I frequent, U12 Recreational is $1.20/minute while U12 Signature is $1.40/minute. In the Competitive/Club leagues, U12 is $1.50/minute.
     
  8. djmtxref

    djmtxref Member

    Apr 8, 2013
    Are those CR rates or total crew rates?
     
  9. RichM

    RichM Member

    Barcelona
    United States
    Nov 18, 2009
    Meridian, ID
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Total crew rates. Typical split is 40%/30%/30%.
     
  10. blueboy

    blueboy Member

    Oct 26, 2000
    Here are fees in eastern Pennsylvania


    Amateur
    Referee - $76
    AR’s - $49 each


    Youth Game Fee Schedule
    The fee schedule is as follows
    Age 2012 / 2013 R AR AR Total
    U-9/10 $33 $19 $19
    U-11/12 $41 $29 $29
    U-13/14 $47 $33 $33
    U-15/16 $55 $37 $37
    U-17/19 $61 $43 $43
     
  11. isai2

    isai2 Member

    Mar 27, 2013
    Michigan
    Michigan:

    Pay scale:
    WSSL: (Home team pay entire fee) (Travel)
    U8/U9 (6V6) $20 for the center ref $10 for each Assistant Ref $40 per game/50 min
    U10 (6V6) $20 for the center ref $10 for each Assistant Ref $40 per game/50 min
    U11 (8V8) $30 for the center ref $20 for each Assistant Ref $70 per game/60 min
    U12 (8V8) $30 for the center ref $20 for each Assistant Ref $70 per game/60 min
    U13/U14/HSO 6v6 $35 for the center ref $25 for each Assistant Ref $85 per game/70 min
    U15/U16/HSO 11v11 $40 for the center ref$30 for each Assistant Ref $100 per game/80 min

    MSPSP: (each team pays half the fee) (Premier)
    U13/U14 $40 for the center ref $30 for each Assistant Ref $100 per game/70 min
    U15/16 $50 for the center ref $35 for each Assistant Ref $120 per game/80 min
    U17/18/19 $60 for the center ref $40 for each Assistant Ref $140 per game/90 min
     
  12. fairplayforlife

    fairplayforlife Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I am going to get back to this one with KY pay but suffice to say we are on the low end.
     
  13. tomek75

    tomek75 Member+

    Aug 13, 2012
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    USSF Referee fees 2013/2014 in St. Louis Area


    8v8 u8-10: $28 for middles and $14 for lines
    8v8 u11-12: $30 for middles and $15 for lines
    U11-12s: $34 for middles and $17 for lines
    U13-14s: $40 for middles and $20 for lines
    U15-16s: $46 for middles and $23 for lines
    U17-18s: $50 for middles and $25 for lines

    St. Louis Area HS Fees
    JV / Freshman $48.00
    JV / Freshman (DBL) $81.00
    VAR / JV-FR (DBL) $102.00
    VAR 2 Man $64.00
    VAR (DBL) $115.00
    Var 3 Man $62.50
    Var 3 Man (DBL) $110.00
     
  14. Chas (Psyatika)

    Oct 6, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Crystal Palace FC
  15. IASocFan

    IASocFan Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 13, 2000
    IOWA
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In Central Iowa, the largest conference pays $100 for a JV/Varsity double header for all three referees. The more remote schools pay mileage for one driver. The smaller schools may pay $5 or $10 less per set with mileage payments being inconsistent.
     
  16. That Cherokee

    That Cherokee Member

    Mar 11, 2014
    Stillwater, Oklahoma
    For the state competitive league and most of the tournaments:
    U12-35/25/25
    U14-40/30/30
    U16-45/35/35
    U19-50/40/40

    Ametuer-56/35/35
     

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