Honduran Teams in Financial Crisis (MLS Transfers Already Happening)

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by Autogolazo, Dec 31, 2012.

  1. Autogolazo

    Autogolazo BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 19, 2000
    Bombay Beach, CA
    Unpaid salaries, strikes threatened in 2013, two recent MLS transfers literally keeping the lights on at Vida and Victoria. Some players going to practice without getting breakfast. Bad news for the Honduran league, but what an opportunity for MLS here. Marathon is the next team which could be in trouble...

    http://mx.noticias.yahoo.com/jugado...uelgas-salarios-atrasados-173655917--spt.html

    Wilmer Crisanto's transfer to the Sounders is said to be the only way the second best coach in the country is going to get his paycheck.
     
  2. El Naranja

    El Naranja Member+

    Sep 5, 2006
    Alief
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The ugly side of C'CAF rears its head again. Still...interesting to see who takes advantage of this.
     
  3. themightymagyar

    Aug 25, 2009
    Indianapolis
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    These types of problems don't solely happen in CONCACAF. Even some of the big UEFA teams occasionally have trouble with salary payments.
     
  4. Autogolazo

    Autogolazo BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 19, 2000
    Bombay Beach, CA
    The line from Arnold Peralta (now of TFC) is pretty telling:

    I know if I go, then my teammates are going to receive their salaries.
     
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  5. SoccerPrime

    SoccerPrime Moderator
    Staff Member

    All of them
    Apr 14, 2003
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  6. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That really sucks for them... on the other hand MLS needs to take advantage of this as much as possible.
     
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  7. troutseth

    troutseth Member+

    Feb 1, 2006
    Houston, TX
    It is an ugly head . . . but it happens in every federation not just ours. Ask guys in Greece, Turkey, etc etc. That being said, I am not above pilfering their talent.
     
  8. Zoidberg

    Zoidberg Member+

    Jun 23, 2006
    Don't forget a country as big as Spain. From what I understand the exodus is gonna increase rapidly there.
     
  9. Jewelz510

    Jewelz510 Member+

    Feb 19, 2011
    Bay Area
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If they just got rid of playoffs, none of this would've happened.
     
  10. El Naranja

    El Naranja Member+

    Sep 5, 2006
    Alief
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    True and I didn't mean to imply it doesn't, it just seems like so many of our brother federations have had to deal with this over here.
     
  11. trevor_daniles

    Aug 19, 2007
    MLS can really expand when they dip into the talent pool of Honduras and Central and South America.
     
  12. evangel

    evangel Member+

    Apr 12, 2007
    I doubt it. Unlike most other countries, the lifelines in Spain are pretty vast. The lower table clubs have had to put up with low cash reserves since long before the economic crisis. Just being in the same league as Real Madrid and Barca gives you a decent amount of clout.
     
  13. Inca Roads

    Inca Roads Member+

    Nov 22, 2012
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Well, ideally, one of the watermarks of the strength in MLS is when significant numbers of players from smaller markets are fighting to get into our ranks. If we can become the league for all top regional players (who aren't Mexican) to aim for, that certainly is a good sign.
     
  14. patricksp

    patricksp 91.9 Crew Fan Rating

    Nov 4, 2007
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  15. Inca Roads

    Inca Roads Member+

    Nov 22, 2012
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    That sucks. For everyone involved, except the clubs that can poach their players for cheap.
     
  16. When Saturday Comes

    Apr 9, 2012
    Calgary
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    I read stories that Deportivo La Coruna (sp?) didn't pay their players for 3 months when they were still in La Liga. JDG from TFC was saying it was quite common in Spain's top flight.
     
  17. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And according to Televicentro commentator Salvador Nasralla (the one who threatened Chiquidracula after the Honduras-Costa Rica game in the last Hex), 40 percent of matches in the Honduran league are money-losers, while no fewer than seven teams are behind on paying salaries.
     
  18. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well competition is Mexican D2, Many teams in Liga de Ascenso have been signing Central American players for a long time (usually cheaper than South American players).

    Being a D1 league may give MLS more pull over a D2 League, then again some D2 clubs in Mexico pay very well, even when some others have trouble playing like Indios FC a few years ago.
     
  19. chapka

    chapka Member+

    May 18, 2004
    Haverford, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not just cheap...maybe even free, at least as far as transfer fees go.

    Under the FIFA regulations, a player can unilaterally cancel his contract if the club doesn't pay his salary for long enough.

    How long is "long enough"? The official FIFA interpretation says that "a few weeks" is not long enough, but "three months" is. (source, see p. 39).

    In other words...if it's true that Marathon's players hadn't been paid two months of wages on December 26, and those wages still haven't been paid...

    Then any player on Marathon can, if he wants to, simply inform Marathon that he is cancelling his contract with them for just cause and become a free agent. He can sign with an MLS club right now, with no transfer fee due to Marathon.

    Players might not want to do that based on a number of factors (including the possibility that Marathon would hold a grudge if they wanted to come back to play in Honduras). And it's not clear that a player could negotiate with MLS before breaking their Marathon contract, so it could be risky for the player. But it's still a possibility.
     
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  20. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Look at what happened to Martin Rivero. He was in the same situation (hasn't been paid in a while by Rosario Central), negotiated a new contract with the Rapids, signed to the point that the Rapids President announced his signing on Twitter, then Rosario Central stepped in and objected to the signing and he got caught in limbo for a couple of weeks. Eventually the "signing" became a loan from Rosario Central and even after that Rosario Central dragged its feet on the International Transfer Certificate to the point that 3 games into the MLS season the USSF still had not received it, so FIFA stepped in and essentially issued a new Certificate to the USSF to clear Rivero to play for the Rapids.

    Now Rivero had the added complication of 3rd party ownership in Uruguay that I think stepped in and forced Rosario Central to act when they realized that their asset was going to walk and end up in MLS with no strings attached, but things like this are never simple. Any move MLS makes for a quality player on a free is going to be a fight regardless of their official contract status under FIFA rules.
     
  21. chapka

    chapka Member+

    May 18, 2004
    Haverford, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As it should be...more work for the lawyers. Lawyers gotta eat, you know!
     
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  22. looknohands

    looknohands Member+

    Apr 23, 2009
    Louisville, KY
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Don't they simply feed on the blood of living creatures?
     
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  23. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But they need the cash money to wipe their ass after they are done digesting.
     
  24. Catracho_Azul

    Catracho_Azul Member+

    Jun 16, 2008
    New Orleans
    Club:
    Corinthians Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Honduras
    As I stated in another thread:

    Seems to be only Victoria and Vida, and to a lesser extent Marathon, who just welcomed the arrival of El Salvadorian international Lester Blanco...

    Wilmer Crisanto is well on his way to Seattle, Jose Velasquez seems to be open to many MLS teams and some European teams. Arnold Peralta is a TFC player, and Orlin Peralta is already negotiating with Polish side, Wisla Krakovia.

    Other than those four, I don't see any immediate viable players worth purchasing. Maybe Felix Crisanto and Victor Ortiz who were rumored to leave for bigger Honduran teams, the latter to Alajuelense of Costa Rica.
     
  25. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I hope MLS teams are aware of this...
     

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