Health Care Reform Part III: The Implementation.

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  1. Dr. Wankler

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    #26 Dr. Wankler, Nov 15, 2013
    Second page!!!
     
  2. VFish

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    #27 VFish, Nov 15, 2013
    And very appropriate since ObamaCare has turned out to be a big pile of #2.
     
  3. superdave

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    #28 superdave, Nov 16, 2013
    Your premature jocularity reminds me very, very much of right wing triumphalism in about, oh, May 2003.

    Just sayin'.
     
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  4. crazypete13

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    #29 crazypete13, Nov 16, 2013
    It's horrible, I say, absolutely horrible - between the ever-present statues of Trudeau* - otherworldly homage to Tommy Douglas - and airport named after Mike Pearson we can't escape our radical 60s socialist roots.

    This is so wrong it's stupid.

    We have a shibboleth to identify these fools so we can ship them to the work camps in Nunavut.

    Our system is based on need not means - if you need emergency anything - you get it pronto. If it can wait - you may wait a bit (especially in the emergency ward).

    Not to say the system is perfect - as plenty of people will go to Buffalo, usually for things like MRIs and diagnostics - usually to jump a queue for non-life-threatening procedures.

    The reality is the healthcare system serves us pretty well. Most private insurers are used for drug plans and to cover things like private rooms in hospital.

    The only healthcare we have that us tied to employment is dental.

    *not really
     
  5. Matt in the Hat

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    #30 Matt in the Hat, Nov 16, 2013
    Funny but I remember Bush winning reelection

    Just sayin'
     
  6. Falc

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    #31 Falc, Nov 16, 2013
    As I stated before, we could put in place health centers to serve those with needs but the liberals here and across the country want a one size fits all approach.
     
  7. crazypete13

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    #32 crazypete13, Nov 16, 2013
    Not really sure how this relates to what I posted.
     
  8. Falc

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    #33 Falc, Nov 16, 2013
    The focus in the US has been getting everyone on health insurance. That is not health care. Instead, we should be looking at providing other means for people to get health care. It is not one system that is going to work for all. In some ways, Canadians have adjusted when necessary. Both countries should be looking at taking what the other has best and incorporate it into its system.
     
  9. crazypete13

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    #34 crazypete13, Nov 16, 2013
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    The only thing we could 'take' from your system is increased private insurance and delivery footprint.

    In general there has been a rather heated debate over introducing what we call a 'two tiered' public/private system a la The UK - which has been moot of late thanks to easy private access in the US.

    We already have the best of your system available to us, and little incentive to change.
     
  10. Falc

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    #35 Falc, Nov 16, 2013
    There is just not one solution. It has to be multi-tiered to get the most reach. What we did here was disrupt the system to take care of extreme cases instead of figuring how to look out for those situations.
     
  11. Germerica

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    #36 Germerica, Nov 17, 2013
    Have we gotten past 200k enrollees in this awesome new healthcare clusterf**** yet? Are we close?
     
  12. VFish

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    #37 VFish, Nov 17, 2013
    What jocularity? The shutdown was huge distraction from the failings of the ACA and we are all going to have to live with the system that arises from the ashes.

    Just sayin'
     
  13. VFish

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    #38 VFish, Nov 17, 2013
    I'll relay that to your ex-pats that I work with.
     
  14. VFish

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    #39 VFish, Nov 17, 2013
    I am so glad I'm not a broker...

    http://www.csmonitor.com/layout/set...celed-plans-throws-insurers-a-curveball-video

    “It’s a whirlwind, my friend,” says David Oscar, communications chair of the New Jersey Association of Health Underwriters. “I’ve been dealing with Jan. 1 renewals since the beginning of November. Now I’ve got to go back? For me as a broker, as a person who represents insurance carriers, I have egg on my face, because now I have everybody sending me an e-mail saying, ‘Hey, Dave, I heard on the “Today” show this morning that I can keep my old plan.’ ”
     
  15. crazypete13

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    #40 crazypete13, Nov 17, 2013
    I'm not doubting they said it - or that you know jaded Canadian ex-pats - but what they said is glib at best, misleading and wrong at worst.
     
  16. VFish

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    #41 VFish, Nov 17, 2013
    Well at least one has earned the right to be glib as he is 20 year cancel survivor. I am curious, have you had any serious medical emergencies that put the Canadian system to the test?
     
  17. Funkfoot

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    #42 Funkfoot, Nov 18, 2013
  18. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    #43 Cascarino's Pizzeria, Nov 18, 2013
    Why don't you fight for your freedom to pay thru the nose, eh?
     
  19. ceezmad

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    #44 ceezmad, Nov 18, 2013
    Yes you just would not pay for them.
     
  20. ceezmad

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    #45 ceezmad, Nov 18, 2013
    Is this before or after they had to call back all the people that signed up and tell them that their website ********ed up and they all had to reapply again because they calculated [may have calculated] their subsidies incorrectly?
     
  21. crazypete13

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    #46 crazypete13, Nov 18, 2013
    Thankfully no - I've had my share of use of the system - and had friends and family with all manner of sicknesses who have had everything from critical emergencies to chronic conditions handled effectively - and I've yet to encounter a systemic failure.

    I think our mayor is doing a bang up job of that.
     
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  22. JohnR

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    #47 JohnR, Nov 18, 2013
    A thunderous dunk off the alley-oop lob. The rim appears to be bent.
     
  23. Falc

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    #48 Falc, Nov 18, 2013
    Who would not pay for them?
     
  24. ceezmad

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    #49 ceezmad, Nov 18, 2013
    You.

    Dumping people into Medicare/medicaid with out increasing their funding is not a good solution.
     
  25. Falc

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    #50 Falc, Nov 18, 2013
    Do you pay a premium? Are you taxed in any certain manner to cover healthcare? Or is it just under your regular taxes that pay for the system?
     
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