Has FC Dallas Traded for Julian de Guzman?

Discussion in 'FC Dallas' started by 3rd Degree, Jul 12, 2012.

  1. FlashMan

    FlashMan Member

    Jan 6, 2000
    'diego
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    --other--
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    United States
    DH to the bench?

    I can see De Guzman/Jacobsen/Ferreira up the gut, Shea on the left, Jackson on the right, and Perez (once healthy) up top.

    But what they really need to do is trade for a forward. That seems to be their immediate priority.
     
  2. 3rd Degree

    3rd Degree Member

    Feb 6, 2000
    Dallas
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  3. profiled

    profiled Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 7, 2000
    slightly north of a mile high
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Apparently for Andrew Wiedeman, no word on salary help from TFC.
     
  4. ivannomad

    ivannomad Member

    Aug 7, 2007
    Tyler, TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Does everyone in the Dallas front office smoke crack?


    Another goddamned defensive midfielder?
     
  5. Sportsfan783

    Sportsfan783 Member

    FC Dallas
    Oct 8, 2010
    Midland, TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If that is true then I would consider it fair. I am not sure if DeGuzman is really needed but neither is Wiedeman. Although, he would probably benefit the most from this trade if he finds playing time.
     
  6. Polygong

    Polygong Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 8, 2007
    Toronto
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Seems like TFC is not the only one with this problem.

    Anyway, good luck to you guys with JDG. A very good player, though not worth the money he's paid (I think we're still paying the bulk of his salary).
     
  7. Skippysasquirrel

    May 11, 2012
    San Diego, CA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I like it.
     
  8. paladius

    paladius Member

    Sep 27, 2003
    Frisco, Texas
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    De Guzman has some degree of talent, but he can't seem to score goals. Why are we continuing to invest in defense when what this team desperately needs are attackers? Is this another example of HSG being cheap instead of smart? De Guzman will go down in MLS history as one of the worst DP contracts of all time. I think DeRo pushed him on Mo Johnston and like the idiot he is, Mo bit.

    This team cannot play with one decent attacker up top and no bench strength behind that player. This insanity has got to stop.
     
  9. Tex-Micks

    Tex-Micks Member

    Jan 6, 2011
    Dallas
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    Northern Ireland
    For years I have thought that no matter how bad things get at least we do not have De Guzman on our team. I have listened to commentators on TV profess his greatness but all I have seen on the field has been mediocrity and a player who looks like he does not care. I have been underwhelmed his passing and shooting skills and flabbergasted by his ability to give the ball away at will. This is going to be worse for FCD than the Santos trade and like Santos he will be gone by seasons end.
     
  10. Hitman

    Hitman Member+

    Mar 31, 1999
    While I fully agree that the club needs a backup striker, I would argue that Hyndman has to solve his disastrous midfield situation first. He has almost all of the parts to play a proper 4-5-1 (4-1-4-1), but not a 4-4-2.

    I have never been impressed with JdG, but like many that was mostly because of his DP status and the amount he was getting paid. But if he comes here, plays like his resume implies, and Dallas can resign him for a fair deal - then we're talking .

    A midfield three of Ferreria, Jacobson and JdG with Shea and Jackson out wide gives me reason to hope. Now, this all is dependent on David recovering fully and JdG actually playing like he gives a sniff.

    But if he shows up and is a traffic cone, he's gone at the end of the season and all FCD lost was Wiedeman, who frankly has never looked MLS quality to begin with.

    Regardless, Dallas still needs to find another striker.. but that is far easier said than done considering the role they need filled and what it might take to give up to get the right guy.
     
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  11. Hitman

    Hitman Member+

    Mar 31, 1999
    You say that like FCD has a ton of quality d-Mids to begin with... If so, please list.

    but don't add Hernandez (hurt/too old), Warshaw (hurt/too young), Marcelin (horrid), Guarda (more horrid)
     
  12. scholes181818

    scholes181818 Member

    Dec 1, 2003
    Kansas City, MO, USA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    An improvement at DM... This makes great sense IF we're also about to sign a badass linking midfielder and a striker that can provide cover for us when Perez is hurt.
     
  13. profiled

    profiled Moderator
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    Feb 7, 2000
    slightly north of a mile high
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    The reason the attack is so anemic is the total lack of midfield, caused by having DH playing so damn deep he's basically defender #5, that coupled with Marcelin/Warshaw being incredibly limited, you've effectively got 6 defenders, and due to that complete lack of midfield Jacobsen then has to come so far back he's basically a 3rd dmid with no outlets or places to play the balls too (wings stranded out wide, and the unlucky SOB up front is on an island).

    So if De Guzman can provide sufficient cover and replace the DH/Marcelin Combo, then Andrew Jacobsen can push up a little but still provide d-cover, and then Ferria floating ahead of them/out sides, I think you'll see a lot more offense out of the team.
     
  14. ttujosh

    ttujosh Member

    Mar 9, 2003
    Dallas, Tx
    Here is the thing for me on this: sadly, he is an upgrade a DM, which says a lot about our current roster. It cost them a guy who in my opinion has a big bag of nothing who did well in preseason, but in games looked completely overwhelmed. His contract ends at the end of the year, so what's the big deal? At least they made a move to upgrade the squad. And it's addition by subtracting Hernandez from the starting 11, which to me is a big upgrade even if it is DeGuzman, who I find mediocre at best.
     
  15. scholes181818

    scholes181818 Member

    Dec 1, 2003
    Kansas City, MO, USA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Jacobson is no linking midfielder. He's a great player, but his strength is in his physical ability - he has an engine, he's big and strong, he tackles well, and he can hit the ball from distance. His passing is mediocre at best and terrible at worst. If you want to get the ball into DF and keep it, you have to have a quality linking midfielder. Villar is a great passer, but he leaves you without much bite centrally. If Hyndman were smart he'd be grooming Jacobson to take over for DH - I just think his skillset will always limit him as a linking midfielder, but he could be very successul as a holding mid.
     
  16. Hitman

    Hitman Member+

    Mar 31, 1999
    I didn't say it was perfect.
     
  17. scholes181818

    scholes181818 Member

    Dec 1, 2003
    Kansas City, MO, USA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    fair enough.
     
  18. Rex Kramer

    Rex Kramer Thanks Rex

    Aug 1, 2007
    Plano, TX
    If he does a first season Toja for us (as opposed to second season Toja, second season Rocha, or Davino), then I guess this is a good trade. We really need to clear out some more of the dead weight, though, so we can have cap/roster space to bring in a backup striker and CB.

    - At this mid-latish stage of the season, if Ugo can't even get on a stationary bike without getting concussion symptoms, he needs to go on Season IR, go see a specialist and take care of his health without worrying about when he can get back on the field. That takes his large cap number out of the equation and allows us to bring in cover for our only two healthy CBs, Hedges and Pertuz.
    - Now we have 6 (six!! And to think Morrow was accused of hoarding central midfielders) defensive midfielders, Hernandez probably ought to retire, for the good of the team. He's done as a starter, and can he really be called fresh legs off the bench with his knee problems?
    - Trade Guarda. For anything. Christ, take a bag of beans for all I care, at this point he's behind even Ulloa in the depth chart, and while his cap number isn't much, he's still a waste of a roster spot.
    - Talk to Colorado about trading Luna. He's clearly not developing under Hyndman, and you've got to think Pareja might be interested, given how he played for him. Again, even if it's draft picks and/or allocation, it'll probably be worth it. No point in having a player around that the coach has no interest in playing.
     
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  19. ivannomad

    ivannomad Member

    Aug 7, 2007
    Tyler, TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    And you feel deGuzman warrants the title of "quality d-mid"?
     
  20. Hitman

    Hitman Member+

    Mar 31, 1999
    Well, I do think the knock on JdG is more based on his salary than what he does on the field. I think he's at least an upgrade from what we have, especially at holding mid. Again, at $1.4m and DP status, no thanks, but at a fair price and if his plays to his resume, he can be an outstanding upgrade from anyone on the FCD bench.
     
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  21. ttujosh

    ttujosh Member

    Mar 9, 2003
    Dallas, Tx
    I agree with all these points, but I am pretty sure that IR isn't cap space freeing, just the roster spot. Maybe I am mixed up on that though. But I agree, it's time to start churning the roster to see what pieces are going to be building blocks towards next year, and which ones are just earning paychecks. The team has a very familiar feeling, sort of 2003-ish, where we have a lot of guys who have been around for awhile and aren't necessarily hurting or helping...and if you are someone in that position, you should be moved along to find someone who can potentially help.
     
  22. Rufiolo

    Rufiolo Member

    Jan 24, 2008
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I like this trade provided it does not hamstring FCD financially. JdG should be motivated; if he is, it is an upgrade.
     
  23. Rex Kramer

    Rex Kramer Thanks Rex

    Aug 1, 2007
    Plano, TX
    Maybe I'm wrong on this, it was my first season after all, but I seem to recall when Roberto Mina was out for the full season, he didn't count toward the cap.
     
  24. pwip

    pwip Member

    Jul 10, 2004
    Dallas
    you got to handed to FCD for being obstinate. FCD gives a big FU to their critics by adding the 2 type of players they get sub-par contributions, Home Growns and High Price DP's. High dollar veterans under SH do not last long. It may take a full to half a season for them to say; " What? you won't me to do what? Ah OK whatever." I just don't see SH has the respect to inspire veteran players. When you are in last place, you dump salaries to gain flexibility not to take on more. Denial. Being honest to what you are is the biggest problem in building a team. FCD is a bad team. It is not a good team getting bad breaks. It's been a bad team since the middle of last summer when the team quit on SH. When he ran full practices in 100° weather.
     

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