Happy 10-year anniversary: USA 2 Mexico 0, 2002 World Cup

Ah yes because a soccer game is more important than calling out the classless and prejudice actions of the US fed.

Way to spin the discussion.

I don't doubt it played some part in the separation.

Do you know how many were actively denied? Or a ballpark? I couldn't find a figure anywhere outside of the one guy.

Then how does the USSF get back into good standing with you? It's been a while and you're still bringing it up.. Or will you forever hold this over their head?

I don't think anyone was working under that assumption. I'm confused as to why you came to that conclusion. Because this is literally what you just did.

BS: Historic game for US Soccer.
You: Hey remember when USSF was super racist? No not at that game, another game. Totally unrelated to this game. Good luck finding any info on it.
Me: Well here's what you're talking about... *links and such*
You: Haha I don't even care about this.

LOL, a brilliant synopsis. Great post.

The number is irrelevant.

But I'm sure you're going to slither around in the mud trying to argue otherwise.

I don't support the USMNT so I could literally care less.

That doesn't mean the subject is off limits though.

You are aware that a number of posts were removed from this thread by the mods right?

Are you also aware that this conversation started because some posters did their whole "Mexico is so classless" song and dance to which I merely replied with the situation against Honduras at RFK in 2001?

Are you still "confused"?

BTW, you didn't actually post any sort of link that countered what I said. You merely "presented" an "argument" as to why you "thought" the USSF wasn't "all that racist in that situation."

I mean, seriously?

Just because someone derailed the thread doesn't mean you one up them by adding to the movement away from the OP and bringing to light a more intense atrocity. At the daycare I work at I have to constantly teach the eight year olds that just because someone did something you didn't like doesn't mean you respond with a more vile action. That's what I'm getting at. Your post was destructive to the thread in how vague and apathetic it was and purely negative in nature. This, "I'll show them" attitude doesn't help a thread or really change anyone's mindset. If someone posts something classless, the correct action is to show them class.

The only thing I've tried to counter of yours was how inappropriate the comments were to the thread. None of my posts are trying to hide history. I hate it when people hide history. As if there was nothing to learn from it.

And no I don't get a message by mods whenever messages aren't removed. I don't know how anyone would be aware of that unless they circled the thread 24/7. Hopefully they'll remove all of our posts.

I guess it's a lot easier to sling mud at the US than try to defend the honor of a team that is so indefensible...

Sounds like someone hasn't figured out how to effectively navigate the new layout.

Maybe next time we argue about any given subject, you can be fully up to date before presenting your "arguments".

The USSF shot themselves in the foot with that moronic tactic.

Unless Mexico and the US meet in a knockout round in a WC, Mexico can't really play down the fact that the US beat us in a WC rd of 16 game.

A friendly victory at Azteca might mean slightly more than when Mexico lost to Paraguay at Azteca.

One question though.....what is the "right personnel"?

Because as far as I can tell, the majority of Bob Bradley's base is still there. The same base that hasn't managed to beat Mexico in over three years.

Eddie Lewis played LW in that game. But still with lots of defensive responsibilities. A mix of winger with what is called "carrilero" in Spanish. Thinking about it, I can see Johnson fulfilling that role: he got the speed, he can attack and can defend. But that requires a 3-5-2 or 3-4-3. You normally don't have "carrileros" in a 4-4-2 or 4-5-1. BTW, that was a great game by JOB. He was Jones and Edu, all rolled in one package.

Look, there's a large segment of the USA population that doesn't have some moral imperative to deny racism, but there's a line between education and trolling, and you should know that you will hurt any credibility by crossing it. When you say you could 'literally care less' about changing your opinion of the US fed, that means you're not here to have a discussion, so I advise the rivalry section.

Highlights and full game repost:


FULL GAME

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2002/jun/17/minutebyminute.worldcupfootball20021

Reading comprehension is causing all sorts of issues around here.

The "I could care less" response was directed at the guy who asked me what the USSF should do to get back on my good side. Again, I'm not as US Soccer fan so they don't owe me an apology nor am I looking for one.

I get a kick out of those who look for excuses and try to paint a different picture of what really happened, which is plain for all of us to see. It was a stupid way of assuring home field advantage and the fact that it hasn't happened since indicates the USSF learned their lesson.

The mistake you are making is assuming that anyone cares about what you have to say. If you don't care forthe USMNT and are posting on its forum, why should we have to listen to you? You should go to WR or the Mehico forum to talk like this...

So in Mexico is this considered the single most devastating defeat in their soccer history?

I was afraid you were gonna say that. Unfortunately you may have a slice of a good cause but are are trolling and don't understand why. I and soccersubjectively gave you an enormous hint that we're open to your point, and your refusal to acknowledge that dialectic unfortunately is pushing your posts to the troll level. You believe it's because we don't want to change our minds; yet the problem is your refusal to accept our offer that we can.

I know this is USA Men but I would have no problems if mods want to nudge the direction back to gleeful celebration, even as sweeping the ice in front of a slowly moving stone to redirect it.

I think this particular game was a big let down for a lot of Mexican fans, in the full length video I posted, I remember seeing a group of American women trying to talk to Mexican guys after the game, and the guys looked pissed!
An iconic game for sure, certainly for us and our neighbors.

you sound like a scorned child.....just let it go already

hmmm it's hard to argue otherwise.....biggest disappointment since I've been watching the MNT for sure.

It would be considered trolling if my posts were meant as mere bait, which they are not, and also if I would've de-railed the subject by bringing up something that had nothing to do with what is being discussed in the thread, which I did not.

Do I need to have some sort of emotional interest in the USMNT to talk about what happened at RFK in 2001?

The term is "I couldn't care less"

See, I helped you today, I'm not a bad guy

hmmm thanks.

I don't think so, we have to consider: losing in penalties against Germany in the quarter finals of 86' being in home and having a goal not allowed in ET god knows why; losing in penalties again in 94' against Bulgaria when it was a manageable game before the red card to Luis García; losing against Germany in 98' when we missed going 2-0 up on two very clear occations and then giving away two goals on defense mistakes; the two loses against Argentina in 2006 and 2010, the first playing a good game and losing to a golazo on ET, and the second playing very well the first minutes and then the team fell apart after the first goal robbery.

If you look at all those scenarios, damn, all of them hurt in their own way. Not even counting 93 and 2001 Copa America finals.

Edit: I was forgetting the two loses in Confederaciones 2005 against Germany and Argentina. Damn, that Argentina game in the semifinal is the best game i've seen my team play, that hurt baaaaad.

But what kind of a rivalry does Mexico have with any of those teams?

I find it very hard to believe that, for the fans, any of those losses hurt as much as it did to get knocked out of the tournament by the USA.