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Discussion in 'USA Men' started by Dr. Gamera, Jun 17, 2012.
The ultimate bragging-rights match, so far.
I just watched that entire game on youtube. Landon Donovan made a great comment about that game back in 2006 when ABC had a show on where they were hyping the World Cup. Donovan said something along the lines of, "That may never happen again." And he's right since CONCACAF teams aren't allowed to meet in the group phase and USA and Mexico tend to never get past the round of 16. That makes the 2002 victory even more special.
Had a watching party in the early hours this morning and re-living that feeling once again just made me feel so giddy. I doubt we see these two play each other again in the World Cup, so to have that victory in hand over those guys just adds to the rivalry a little more.
Did the Mexican players shake our hands after that game? They sure didn't at the 2007 GC final
I'm a Mexican American a big US fan since the 02 WC when I was 8 years old (I know it's weird to see a Mexican American being a US fan but I'm USA til I die) I remember a few days after that historic win my parents were watching the spanish news and they were showing Mexico's presidente Vicente Fox watching the game from his living room or wherever it was, and showed his reaction when Donovan scored the second goal I was ROFL
I am kinda confused are you a German-Mexican or are you just ********ing with us?
So...I just moved the "you guys are not classy" "no, you guys are not classy" stuff to World Rivalries. And before I left I threw some pissbags at it. And laughed during its national anthem.
Google is your friend.
Did you also yell "Konnichiwa bitches" during the moment of silence?
No, but that's because I don't speak Japanese.
I thought since you are the resident Latino persecution expert, you'd have this right at your fingertips.
I don't have the link at my finger tips but you can search the washington post archives if you wish.
Whether or not you believe me is up to you, the old timers around here know about it and know it's true.
If this run were happening now, I think it could be a watershed moment for US Soccer. We need a deep WC run in the worst way to really push us over the hump and down the hill.
I would think if you're going to say something as negative as that you would provide the actual evidence of the matter. It's not about how easy it is to find; it's writing a crass statement and making the other person do the legwork. Anyone can do that. It's just a really lame thing to do. Not to mention this took me about twenty minutes to research and respond with.
Anyway, I tried searching Washington Post and got no luck. "For articles before 2005, use our paid archive search." No thank you.
I moved on to Google and searched "USSF 2001 Honduras tickets" as anything more than that gave me no results. (Without the quotes, obviously.) I found three relevant links.
1. An article written after the game that talks about how tickets in the lower sections were limited to only American fans.
2. An article written a year after the game about someone suing the USSF. Couldn't find a followup. http://www.soccertimes.com/wagman/2002/aug22.htm
3. Big Soccer thread on the subject that is surprisingly short. I guess all the old-timers that would know about this issue posted here? All eight of them?: http://www.bigsoccer.com/community/threads/ussf-being-sued-over-ticket-sales.9620/
Outside of a safety issue of trying to avoid mass fights by seating all fans into every section, we shouldn't define organizations/people by a single action. If it were a repeating trend of intent then I could understand but that doesn't seem to be the case. I don't think anyone is still pushing that USA is number six in the world despite FIFA saying we were once.
There was a there was a major BS crash in 2001 or maybe 2002 with a few minor crashes after. I doubt you would find it here.
Yeah link dump is a pain.
Anyone remember the thread that was devoted exclusively to photos of crying Mexican fans after this game?
Yeah, great times...
...In my defense said: ↑
Your Federation was found guilty of racially profiling latinos in 2001 by barring anyone with a hispanic/latino surname from buying tickets to a WCQ against Honduras in DC.
Thanks SS for the tremendous effort on the research.
So, to sum up. In My Defense doesn't tell the whole story, typical. Hondurans seemed to buy as many tickets as they wanted.
Well typically if someone is going to trash my soccer team I like it to be with actual information.
You're right, I left out the worst part of that incident which was that the people who were denied tickets were there to support the US national team.
Does that tell the whole story or are you going to try to sugar coat it some more?
Did you read anything I wrote above? I'm not trying to be rude but I think I provided a decent case as to how the USSF wasn't being super racist.
That was your case? That it could've been a safety issue?
There is nothing wrong with the USSF trying to exploit home field advantage by separating the two fan bases.
The thing is, the only reason the story got any sort of attention was because AMERICAN fans were denied the opportunity to buy tickets to go see THEIR team because of their surnames.
Just because there isn't a "trend" with this sort of thing and USMNT games, doesn't mean this particular incident should be brushed aside. Matter of fact, the reason why it probably never happened again is because it was just a really stupid and classless thing to do.
the real question is: why do you even care so much?
haha I don't, I was just dismantling your delusional belief that the USSF are some sort of no wrong doing boy scouts.
aka you are still bitter about a game that was 10 years ago? lol.
lets not turn this thread into an argument again, i'm out