GOP Failure Watch Part III

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  1. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Pain avoidance, they're looking for some reason, any reason, to avoid the obvious conclusion that their trusted sources were garbage.
     
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  2. ratdog

    ratdog Member+

    Mar 22, 2004
    In the doghouse
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    fyp and all that....
     
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  3. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    It would be easier if they had a different slogan:

    [​IMG]
     
  4. stanger

    stanger BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 29, 2008
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I would say there are a lot of people that think the last 4 presidential elections were stolen. What year just depends on who won.
     
  5. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    There is apparently no limit to Texas GOP stupid -

     
  6. MasterShake29

    MasterShake29 Member+

    Oct 28, 2001
    Jersey City, NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's super stupid. Funny enough, the object of their vitriol also believes that marijuana should not be legalized, as does 90% plus of the elected officials in his party.
     
  7. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    There's no drug policy that Obama could devise that would make Texas Republicans happy. Democrat, Chicago, Harvard, black, forget about it.
     
  8. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Per a reader poll at PolitiFact, the 5 top Lies of the Year were by -

    #1 Rush Limbaugh
    #2 Romney Campaign
    #3 Romney Campaign
    #4 Romney Campaign
    #5 Romney Campaign

    And people say that Mitt is not consistent.
     
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  9. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
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    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I saw at least 3 articles in my timeline regarding this issue:

    http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/12/11/is-conservative-media-one-big-racket/191788

    Here is another link for a similar story:

    http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/1...rn-ignorance-impotent-rage-into-riches-video/

    So, they're basically saying that at least part of the reason why the GOP lost is because their pundits and leaders do not care about the truth or the wellness of the party but only about their pockets... go figure...
     
  10. MasterShake29

    MasterShake29 Member+

    Oct 28, 2001
    Jersey City, NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Are you sure? When is the last time you heard any Republican criticize Barack Obama for being too lenient on the War on Drugs? I don't recall any.
     
  11. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    OK fair enough. Perhaps I exaggerated. Still, note how she associates the President with a lenient attitude toward drugs. Bet she wasn't saying that about W, and from what I understand, W had a good and close relation with drugs for quite a while.
     
  12. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
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    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Jon Stewart was hoping that the Senate pissing all over the disabled was rock bottom, but he forgot that the GOP actually controls the House and they can do all sorts of hateful things there. Such as protect white serials rapists who target Indian women on the reservations:

    http://www.salon.com/2012/12/13/how_abusers_get_away_with_targeting_indian_women/?source=newsletter

    To be fair, they also refuse to extend basic protections to gays and immigrants, so they're not JUST hateful to American Indians. They spread it around.
     
  13. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
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    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Equal Access to Discrimination, guys...
     
  14. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
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    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I honestly...stuff like this really does leave me speechless.
     
  15. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Would I be right in thinking that your version of the 'Advertising Standards Authority', (whatever it might be called), would insist there was some basis that claim?

    If so, I'd LOVE to see the question(s) they asked to arrive at that conclusion.
     
  16. Boloni86

    Boloni86 Member+

    Jun 7, 2000
    Baltimore
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    DC United
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    Gibraltar
    Th
    This is the equivalent of the neon sign reading "best hamburger in the world" that I've seen at least in 27 establishments across this great country.
     
  17. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    When my dad was boxing for a living back in the 40's he had a mate who earned a living as a wrestling promoter. He specialised in 'World Champions' of this place or that so you'd have the 'World heavyweight champion of Hendon' and the 'World heavyweight champion of Bromley' :D

    There was one place up north, (Leeds IIRC... they're not very sophisticated up there :eek:), who had about 4 'World heavyweight Champions'. As the fella told my dad once, "They like their 'World heavyweight Champions' up there" :D
     
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  18. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Sorry, it does not ring a bell... :p.. Advertising Standards? Authority? What is that?
     
  19. ToasterLeavins

    Mar 25, 2003
    NJ USA
    Club:
    Everton FC
    I was pretty skeptical that any politician anywhere, would be looking to just "protect white serial rapists who target Indian women on the reservations". And from salon.com to boot, so i looked for the house republican comments to that effect. Shockingly, there were none. If you disagree with the republican reasoning, or want to show how the new bill would be ineffective thats fine. Posting "house reps want white people to be able to rape indians" is almost schapesesque. Hell it might even be going farther than schapes, but im sure ill be the only one to call you out on it.

    http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/2012/0516/House-passes-Violence-Against-Women-Act-grudgingly

    • The Senate adds language that explicitly mentions gay and transgender Americans for protection, while the House version is gender neutral. Republicans contend that their measure allows all Americans to receive protection because it does not specify who qualifies for various programs. Democrats, however, say that local law enforcement could use the lack of specificity to discriminate against gay or transgender people.
    • The House bill does not include a Senate provision that would allow Native American women to take American citizens who abuse them to court within the tribal legal system. Republicans say that the Senate measure is unconstitutional and replace it with a proposal that allows Native American women to apply for protection orders from local US courts. Democrats contend that without the Senate’s proposals, Native American women abused on an Indian reservation are often left without legal recourse.
    • The House bill does not allow for a path to citizenship for illegal women who have been abused and agree to cooperate with the police investigation of the crime. Moreover, it holds the cap on temporary visas offered to women cooperating in legal investigations to 10,000, below the Senate’s increased 15,000 level. Republicans say the citizenship provision is akin to amnesty for illegal immigrants. Democrats, on the other hand, say that women fearing deportation may never come forward to take abusers off the street under the House bill.
    Differences from the house version and senate version, and some of the reasoning behind them. Wouldnt a point by point rebuttal be better than REPUBLICANS LIKE RAPING INDIANS!?
     
  20. HouseHead78

    HouseHead78 Member+

    Oct 17, 2006
    Austin, TX
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No.

    We've lost faith that the party of "they hate us for our freedoms" and "we are fighting them there so we don't have to fight them here" and "the stimulus failed" and "food stamp president" is persuaded by reasonable discourse. Why bring logic to an argument about catchphrases?
     
  21. stanger

    stanger BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 29, 2008
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    Part of the reason we have such a divide politically in this country is because of threads like this.
    There are usually valid reasons for the sides to disagree but the partisans and the media enjoy the extreme headlines they can make by exaggerating the positions.

    If any of you really thought any Republicans were somehow "for" raping Native American women, you should turn off your computer and get a life.
     
  22. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
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    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    I'm pretty sure anybody who's been on this forum awhile and knows where I'm coming from knows when I'm deliberately using glib rhetoric to make a point--the point being "I'm sick and tired of these guys looking far and wide for reasons to make our country worse."

    So yes, it would be possible to write a point-by-point summary of why the House GOP leadership think that fears about backdoor amnesty outweigh concerns about immigrant women being raped; about why they are more worried about abstract contstitutional scruples out in rural South Dakota than the jurisdictional black hole which allows non-Indian rapists a get-out-of-jail card; and so on.

    It's possible, but I'm not going to. And my refusal to engage in a sober, point-by-point consideration of the House version isn't just an exercise in glib partisan mud-throwing, as you seem to think. I am not particularly interested in playing that game. Because then I'm giving them a benefit of the doubt that I no longer think they deserve, based on their behavior, rhetoric, and voting record. You'll note that the above examples that you so patiently worked out apply to: American Indians, immigrants (specifically immigrant women, and even more specifically possibly illegal immigrant women), and gays and transgender inviduals. And what do you know--these varying examples, each with their own seemingly reasonable objections, all JUST HAPPEN to apply to marginalized social groups. What a striking coincidence! What are the odds?

    So...no. I'm not interested anymore in giving these guys the benefit of the doubt on their "objections." My bullshit detector fried out quite some time ago. Their charade of being serious people with genuine policy ideas and serious legal and Constitutional scruples has long ago passed the sell-by date.
     
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  23. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

    May 2, 2001
    The Electric City
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    About the time I stopped paying attention to boxing, I remember the comedian Redd Foxx (that tells you how long ago it was) telling jokes about how, for only $19.95, you too could be a world champion in a weight classification of your choice. IIRC, the check was to be payable to Don King. So in short, what Leeds was doing way back in the day, boxing decided to try in the late 70s, early 80s.

    I was about to ask if there had been any unification in boxing so that somebody could be the "world champion" of a weight classification, but then I realized I don't care.
     
  24. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Americans should blame their schools, and removal of God from the classroom, for Friday’s murders of schoolchildren in Connecticut, according to former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, a 2008 Republican presidential candidate who is now a pundit and host on Fox News.
    Huckabee did not mention guns, gun culture, or assault rifles in talking about the country’s latest mass killing, but said on Fox News:
    “We ask why there is violence in our schools, but we have systematically removed God from our schools. Should we be surprised that schools would become places of carnage?”
    Huckabee is a Baptist minister. As governor of Arkansas, he pardoned Maurice Clemmons, the Arkansas felon who went on to gun down in 2009 four Lakewood, Wash., police officers in cold blood. Clemmons was pardoned after he asked Huckabee to show compassion, vowed that he had changed his life since “the angel of death has visited and taken away my dear, sweet mother.”
    Huckabee seemed to see church-state separation as responsible for the horrors Friday at an elementary school, where 20 grammar school pupils died.
    “We’ve made it (school) a place where we don’t talk about eternity, life, what responsibility means, accountability — that we’re not going to have to be accountable to the police if they catch us, but one day we stand before, you know holy God in judgment,” said Huckabee. “If we don’t believe that, then we don’t fear that.”
    As others were calling for a national discussion on guns, Huckabee said it is time to look upstairs.
    “Maybe we ought to let (God) in on the front end, and we wouldn’t have to call Him up when it’s all said and done at the back end,” Huckabee argued.
     
  25. MasterShake29

    MasterShake29 Member+

    Oct 28, 2001
    Jersey City, NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Mike Huckabee should be treated as a pariah and constantly urged to remove himself from public life.
     

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