Genius begins great works; labour alone finishes them. Twente 2012-2013 Season

Schaken had a good first half. With Douglas there is the risk of losing 0-1 as a result of a brainfart. Vlaar can't play football (just like Douglas) but is more dependable. Also is captain of his team and plays the teams you advertise as vital to have under your belt in European competition on weekly basis as he can find many of them in his own league.

No you are irritated. You want to sell people you can play with 11 people from Madagascar as mercenaries of your team and still be called the NT of Twente. I don't buy that nonsense and am of the opinion that you need to have own nurtured players from the region (Twente) to align yourself with what you advertise to be. Because you hold on something that is not the case, you make it about feeling A or B about something. I just have a different opinion and I also explain why.

 

I just wonder about what world you live in that lets you get away with stating opinions like that while still leaving you feel all superior. Seriously, I think you see yourself as speaking not only for all club supporters of Twente or the Netherlands, but actually the whole world. I am here to tell you that you don't.

Your examples indicate you have not understood the term authentic the way I have used it. I have also posted a stat at the end of last season pointing out Ajax used of all major championship winning clubs in Europe their own academy players most percentage wise. The new regime at that club is actually quite in line with how I see staying close to yourself. Feyenoord has now won 3 times the best academy award and have a 17 year old kid at midfield in Vilhena. The second Ola John showed intelligence (his first games were very blind for FC Twente), I have backed the kid up and I even went into a discussion with you, where I wanted him in the NT and you wanted to protect him. Damn right I get pissed when you seem to be careless about him when the club can do some strategic moves at the cost of him, then the club lying about it and you defending that crap, while being protective of him only months ago. Talking about sanctimonious.

The word authentic was only introduced with the discussion about Ola John and the lying of Munsterman a few weeks ago. Because you want to defend something that is in defendable IMO, people's thought process got further expanded.

I understand the mechanism how sharing experiences and successes together have a bonding effect , I just have higher norms for the claim people uphold of being the NT of a region. The Basks understand it at Bilbao though. It's also funny you are able to miss the daily comments Feyenoord fans make about player A or B being from their own academy. The extra pride fans feel in this regard is something you don't seem to understand or want to marginalize for whatever reason. Regardless however how Feyenoord fans feel, Twente fans feel or you feel, I have my own metric when it comes to this that stands apart from whoever feels about whatever. I think a club that does not play with their own nurtured players, gives a club a soul and makes it authentic. I think a lot of football is about local pride and then when it comes to the actual players in the field it stops to count? Not buying that lie, you like to tell yourself. That it is hard to live up to this norm is only an excuse. Pointing to others not doing it is also an excuse.

Van Gaal is playing provoking pressing in his own words. In that system you need fast counter weapons. Speed. You can say a lot of things of Schaken, but he does not lack speed. Vlaar is anti football, as is Douglas. They both don't belong in Dutch NT, but Vlaar has so far not made huge blunders and you always worry about Douglas doing something weird.

 

Merlin Schutte might be worth keeping an eye on.

 

Bad example. The example does not underscore this. The example maybe tells something about a boy who likes to party and is able to create an atmosphere where a stadium likes to join in accompanied with the music and likes to celebrate last season, where Feyenoord surprised and people felt hope for better times again. In his celebration he reconnected people with that feeling of last season. The van der Gijp incident turned out to be a misjudgement. A new employee, probably from Randstad or something, that filled in the job for the regular employee or old one, who handled it badly. In any case they messed up. If you like to interpreted the events the way you do, then it is an example that 100% pleads for my line of thinking. You introduce the example as if nothing is wrong with it. As if you can't distance yourself from a situation and say: something is not right here. My line of thinking clarifies where that sense comes from and I plead for a realignment with certain values that in the end lead to more authenticity. The example you bring forward in case you interpreted the events like you do, IMO, only screams for something I support. A good instrument by the way to get to know how people think about these matters is: communication. You listen to what they say and read what they wright. How you have been able to miss conversations from Feyenoord fans being proud of their players coming from their own academy is mind boggling. I also don't understand why you are afraid of noticing this.

Then this: you seem to look to marginalize what I deem important with the reactions and emotions from club going fans. For my argumentation it is not important how they look at it. It's my metric for running a club with authenticity. For somebody who says all the time she does not care what other people say, you seem to care a lot. You seem to think the whole validity of your point of view stands and falls from their approval.

So people from Twente can run a football club, can sing about the game, but can't actually play the game itself. Got it. Also makes sense. Now you mention this, I remember how my team always beat teams from Twente region with ease, if we played them at all. Often they were not even invited to national tournaments I played all over the country. They were not good enough.

Now take a breath and raise your level of communication again. You are not 5 years old, so don't act like one. Go back to the post and read it again. As a general rule of thump you can remember that whenever you start to process other people's words and reformulate it into your own words ... it's wrong. That is also the case this time. So pick up words like "counter weapon" and try to solve the big riddle I have left behind for you in my previous post. Good luck.

 

Ahh, Calimero again. It isnot us feeling superior, it is you projecting at regular intervals your inferiority feelings.
Oh ...and the world we live in is called the real world, opposed to your make believe world.

 

Well even if you dont consider yourself a big club, you are now. And I dont see that changing anytime soon.

And part of being a big club is increased rivalry, so there you go. But dont act as if everyone is out to get you (except maybe on bigsoccer.com :> )

 

Nice gesture from Twente.

Btw: What happened to this thread? Hmm, no postings since more than 2 weeks? Where is Mrs Neeskens? Hopefully only on vacation.

 

They lost a couple of games.

 

Isnt it always the case? maybe the over achieving era is over?! hahah

 

It was an off side goal, but the Heracles coach "Bos", wasnot that pissed about it as he said that it was a deserved win in the end for FC Twente.

 

I don't think FC Twente will win this year's title.
It's more a 2 man's army, Chadli and Tadic being the key players of the team.

They should take Ajax as an example, more youth less oldies. Players like Castaignos, Bulykin and grandpa Bosschker aren't any use for them

 

I know, but he doesn't come from their youth. Im talking about the FC Twente youth. Only Boschker came from the youth and he is way too old for FCT

 

Merlin Schutte is an interesting player. But he's German.

 

Castaignos just scored the second goal which puts twente up 2 nil on AZ.

Are guys who can put the ball in the net no longer useful?