They didnt win their division? They had 16 players out on IR and a ton of other short-term injuries including their quarterback for nearly too full games. On top of that, they are the second youngest team in the NFL. Despite the injuries and youth, the never trailed by more than a touchdown through 20 games. Process that for just a minute. This team never trailed at any moment this entire season by more than a single score. Only one other team has done that in NFL history and that was the '62 Lions. In today's NFL most people would say that would be impossible. The undefeated Patriots didnt even accomplish that. In addition, their 6 losses were by a combined 20 points. 2 of the losses were right after they lost 6 key players to season ending injuries and had to adjust to that. The other two they were playing with a QB that had less than 50 career passes and no starts. Despite that, they went into New England with what was basically a rookie QB and damn near won. This coming off season, they will likely lose either James Jones or AJ Hawk to FA. There are a few backups that could go but those are the only key players. I think Jones will be gone as teams will be throwing big bucks at him. So, this team that was down 16 players and was really frickin' close to have a dominating season despite that will be back next season and will be healthy. This team will win more Super Bowls. I have not a single doubt in my mind.
11 is greater than 10. Bears won the NFC North. The C in NFC stands for conference Im not discounting any of what you said, I am justing saying its really premature to talk of a dynasty To even be considered a dynasty you have to have at least 3, as "series" is a key in a dynastys definition. +600 is an awesome number for "not a single doubt"... do it man, bring Vegas down
I wasnt denying that they didnt win their division, I was saying that is irrelevant to whether or not they will be a dynasty. The fact that they even won 10 games and never trailed by more than 7 points with that much injuries and adversity is amazing. I think they have the ability to do what the Steelers and Patriots have done for the last decade and that is to be a title contender year-after-year for the next 7-8 years at least. I think they will win at least one more Super Bowl. So far, the Packers SB appearances have come in twos. I dont ever bet money on my teams under any circumstances. It is just part of a code that I have when it comes to my teams. A friendly bet with a friend for a steak dinner as I did for the NFC Championship game is okay though but official betting on Vegas or with anyone isnt anything I would ever do. I am not much of a gambler anyway. Fantasy Football is about as far as I go with that.
If I was one of the 400 people that didnt get in due to the seating fiasco, I would not have accepted the $2400 or signed that letter. I would be calling my lawyer and filing a lawsuit against the NFL and Jerry Jones or whatever company it is that officially owns the stadium and/or Cowboys. That is a breach of contract and denial of a unique life experience. On top of that, these people had travel cost and opportunity cost for taking their time to be there. That is worth tens of thousands in my book. If these people had grouped together, they would have a class action lawsuit. The NFL and/or Jerry Jones would end up settling for far more than $2400.
Not much of an argument though for them. All of them watched the game, either from the standing room only area in the lower bowl corners or in the awesome standing section directly behind the Steelers bench, both sections so much better than the temp nosebleeds they were initially in. With all that, the free concessions, 3 times the ticket price refunded and tickets for next year too, they were taken care of quite well.
remember its likely they had to pay more than face value in the first place, that its like a 8K trip when its all said and done and you cant see from behind NFL players ya the NFL did their "best" after the fact, and extremely late, but really when you thikn about it, its really the absoulte minimum they had to do to try to save any sort of face. Might as well threw them all on stage to sing with Black Eyed Peas, autotune would fix their voices, its works for Fergie. the NFL cares, lol.. one thing that is for sure going and coming out of the upcoming lockout, the price to be a fan will go up.
No, not all of them got in and some had to stand at the very top of the upper bowl. Like they literally had to stand up near the dome ceiling. Then some had to watch the game on a TV inside the stadium in some box. I would take the opportunity to stick it to Jerry Jones in a second. It's breach of contract and he needs to pay up.
I thought it was the NFL that decided that the seating was unsafe and prevented its use. Have we heard why? It'd be impossible to sue Jones for breach of a contract if it was the NFL that pulled the plug. Beyond that have you ever read the terms on the back of an NFL ticket ... the part where they can deny you entrance for any reason they wish to stands out.
The fire marshall deemed them to be a hazard of some sort. Not Jerry Jones directly, I only used his name because I dont know what the name of the company is that owns the Cowboys or the stadium. An attorney would determine the proper party to sue but I do not think that denial for any reason would qualify in this situation as there is a clear reason for the denial of entrance and it was lack of preparation by the league and Jerry Jones' organization. According to sources, Jerry Jones was the one that pushed for the attendance record.
Well considering all the people involved are getting a free ride to the SuperBowl in Indy as well as the cash (triple face value) and all it'll be hard to say they haven't/won't be compensated. Sorry if people got burned buying back market tickets but that is life - that is the risk of paying above face through unofficial channels. Shit happens, people are far to litigious and spiteful these days. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/07/AR2011020705255.html
What they are offering is a settlement and people do not have to accept it. If you drove all the way to the game and were a Packers fan and did not end up getting in and you missed an opportunity to watch your team win a Super Bowl Championship wouldnt you be pissed? I mean the Packers may not be there next season. Those people may never get that chance again and they will never get to watch Super Bowl 45 live again. By the way, people who were Packers season ticket holders and got their tickets through the actual team were a large chunk of those people. Regardless, it doesnt matter how they were acquired. A ticket is a ticket. As long as it was not stolen, it should be honored. This whole thing is a result of greed by Jerry Jones. He deprived people of a once in a lifetime experience and to me, $2400 and a ticket to next year's game would not be enough considering the trip to next year's game would still cost money for transportation and lodging. Some people did not go to watch a Super Bowl but to watch their team play in a Super Bowl. If you were a neutral fan, that settlement is probably fine. I agree that a lot of people are too litigious and spiteful these days but this is situation where people should be pursuing litigation. A billionaire and a billion dollar organization screwed people over hardcore and they are offering a meager settlement to sweep it under the rug.
Funny, United Airlines bump people all the on the grounds of safety. Feel free to say the same thing yet again ...
I did read that some of the fans that got screwed got to go down on the field for the post game celebrations. To me, that would be worth more money than they could ever give me and would be the perfect payback.
You know very well that is a poor comparison. You can catch the next flight. You cant watch Super Bowl 45 again. It is a unique event that cannot be replicated. I have a thing about life experiences. They are the thing that I value most in this world. I do my best to create as many unique life experiences as I can and watching the team I love win the Super Bowl life would be one of the best ones I can think of. When that is taken away due to greed and a very unexcusable misstep, people need to be punished. Things like this have different values for different people. For some, what they are offering is fair. For others, it is not near enough. Those seats could have been made safe. They had an entire year to plan this event. What they did was inexcusable and not knowing this until the day of the game is even more inexcusable.
One fan has already decided to file suit and has put up a website trying to organize the 400 fans that got screwed. This particular person spent $4000 on the trip. The NFL has admitted that they knew of the problem last week and decided to let the fans go ahead and travel there knowing damn well they wouldnt get in. I also read that something like 80% of those people were STH with the Packers and Steelers so they are some of the most loyal fans to the league and contribute a lot of money to it. It also shows that most of those people were there to see specific teams and not just the Super Bowl. http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/02/08/super-bowl-ticket-scandal-are-fans-planning-a-suit/?hpt=T1
"Rush allows that his emotions are still raw; he created the website as a starting point. He knows that, odds are, litigation won't be worth the aggravation."
78% of civil cases never go to trial and this one never would either. If they get together and file a suit, the NFL and Jerry Jones will settle for an undisclosed amount to get them to shut up and it will be far more than what they have been offered and I think they would settle quickly too. The more I read about what these people were put through, the more I support them pursuing this. Some of them were corralled outside in cold temperatures for over 4 hours while they figured out what they were going to do. The NFL also knew about this more than a week before the game but never took the time to contact those fans to let them know there was an issue. They let them travel all the way there only to have them watch the game in a bar that was basically in the basement of the stadium.
Opinions Stated as facts. Frankly Felix I laugh at those fans. I really could give a shit. The fact that some of them are Packer fans only makes it better. The fact anybody that came from Brown Country would have had to hock their mobile homes for tickets makes me happier still. I hope some of them are dead by the time the next SuperBowl comes around so they roam the ether eternally tormented by missing out on the pointy ball show. After 103,000 suckers spent $100-$900 just to park do you really think Jerry Jones or the NFL are gonna care if he has to away 4:1 punitive damages, the damage is done why wouldn't they fight the spite? What next -- GASP -- Class Action .... are you gonna bring in Eric Brockovich? If this was at Lambeau you'd change your tune. <Insert your righteous indignation here, we all know if those were Chiefs fans you would feel the same way, and you can deny it now but I still hope Aaron Rodgers has a career ending injury and Lambeau collapses on its on fat retarded fans. I have been to Green Bay, I lived in WI for 8 years, it won't be a loss but I love seeing you bitches cry and your so good at crying, so very very good.> I think that ends my involvement in this thread.
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A class action lawsuit has been filed against the NFL, the Cowboys and Jerry Jones. Apparently some of the people stuck with those non-seats were also Cowboys season ticket holders. They are seeking 5 million in damages. That would be $12,500 per person if it is just the 400 but they are expecting it to cover up to 1000 as others were impacted but got seats. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110209/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_super_bowl_seat_problems
That is assuming the lawyers are taking nothing out of the pot which is rare unless all those people are paying the lawers up front.... if this does indeed become about 1000 people a whole lot of them are going to wind up with something that is worth less than the offer of an all expenses paid (flights, food, accommodation, tickets) trip to any future superbowl of their choosing. Who knows, the Pack could be back there again next year, or the Steelers ... or the Cowboys within 4-5 and they will be kicking themselves.
