Garber nows says 24 teams

Discussion in 'MLS: Expansion' started by aetraxx7, Jul 26, 2010.

  1. aetraxx7

    aetraxx7 Member+

    Jun 25, 2005
    Des Moines, IA
    Club:
    Des Moines Menace
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    For years we've been hearing that Major League Soccer will grow to 20 teams and then stop. Of course very few people actually believe that. Today I was reading through an interview with Garber and this popped out:
    So now we are looking at five open spots rather than one. That means the top candidate cities might all be coming in.
     
  2. napolisoccer

    napolisoccer Member

    NYCFC - Napoli
    Feb 20, 2005
    Napoli
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    For me no surprise. He is absolutely right !!!!
     
  3. BringSoccerToIndy

    May 24, 2008
    1001 West New York Street, Indianapolis, IN
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I always assumed 24 teams. It's the perfect amount.
     
  4. Lucho305

    Lucho305 Member

    Inter Miami CF, Junior de Barranquilla
    United States
    Jul 9, 2008
    Miami
    Club:
    Miami FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Id say like this: Atlanta, Tampa, Miami, and the other two in the middle of the country to have rivalries close.....
     
  5. Mr. Bandwagon

    Mr. Bandwagon Member

    Terremotos
    May 24, 2001
    the Barbary Coast
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    24 is not likely to be the end of expansion either. Since MLS was founded it has been looking to expand and it hasn't stopped.
     
  6. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    i agree. i don't see why MLS would say that they're done expanding. it's too profitable for them to keep expanding.

    The way i see it is that after 20 teams they'll look to break down in conferences. after that, maybe when they pass 32-40 teams, they'll look at the idea of promotion/relegation. however, that's a long ways away, and no, i don't need a lecture that p/r won't work. none of us know how MLS will look in 50 years. most of us will be dead anyways.
     
  7. StarvingGator

    StarvingGator Member

    Jun 22, 2007
    The Hospital Bar
    I'm not sure the anti-promotion/relegation people were thinking 50 years in advance. In any case, I'll only be mid-70s in 50 years (assuming the lifestyle/accidents don't get me first). Kind of scary to think about, actually.


    MLS was never going to stop at 20. It'd be silly to. I think they should pause for a few years at 20, however. Let the talent fill in some before you spread it out again.
     
  8. IHaveWorms

    IHaveWorms Member

    May 6, 2010
    Berlin, Germany
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    yeah, and when they pass 50 teams MLS will be huuuuuge. And when they pass 100 teams and every town in the woods has an own MLS team they can have a 200+ game schedule from january to december with relegation of the last 30 teams into NASL which contains also 100 teams. ;)

    The only way all teams (not just Sounders and Galaxy an 1-2 more) can reach profitability is when Garber and friends quit expansion after number 24 in 2025. The talent pool is already diluted and that leads to substandard level of play. But MLS primary goal for the next 20 years must be to increase the level of play so taht MLS can get better TV-deals and higher tv numbers. Not to achieve with over-expansion.
     
  9. eclipse02

    eclipse02 Member

    Sep 20, 2009
    I figure at 24 MLS will take a break for a decade and then go through a slower expansion as D2 starts to catch up along with D3 to build up the Talent pool.

    One thing i would like to see is some sort of fixing College soccer or combineing it with the PDL or something like that.
     
  10. Utherhimo

    Utherhimo Member

    Dec 28, 2006
    Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    yup 24 i think has always been the target

    4 canadian teams
    and 20 american

    so one more canadian
    and 3 more american teams for now....

    before a long break a decade or so

    so:

    canadian team: Hamilton, Calgary (if they prove they can support a team), Ottawa, Sak (where the rough riders play)

    us: nyc2, Tampa Bay, ATL/PHX
     
  11. GalaxyKoa

    GalaxyKoa Member+

    Jul 18, 2007
    North County
    Club:
    Los Angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Am I the only one who finds it ridiculous that each won't get at least one home and home series with every other team in the league?
     
  12. theultimatewarrior

    theultimatewarrior New Member

    Jul 14, 2008
    As long as there is demand the MLS will keep growing.

    If they have 24 teams and a city like San Diego comes knocking ready to build a stadium is Garber and co going to turn round and say no? Of course not.
     
  13. amazingjakeo

    amazingjakeo New Member

    Jul 4, 2010
    Phoenix
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    MLS won't expand to both miami and tampa, that's just ridiculous. The league has changed mightily since the mutiny-fusion days.
     
  14. brentgoulet

    brentgoulet Member+

    Oct 12, 2005
    PuertoPlata, DomRep

    23 home games and 23 away games, plus playoffs, plus USOC, plus Superliga, plus CCL, plus friendly games, ... Teams will need to have at least 35 players on their roster
     
  15. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    well, in the forseeable future (next 15 years) what i see is MLS finally reaches 24 teams and each team [hopefully] has their own SSS and youth academy. those 24 teams will be broken down in east v west, but then you're going to have more franchises knocking on the door.

    after that, there are a number of cities that are going to demand entrance into the league and maybe MLS might have to break the league into 4 conferences. either way, MLS can't even start tapping into its potential until it reaches 24 teams due to the uniqueness of the American market and probably won't max out until 32...with 40 teams being the realistic limit (that means there are at least 40 markets that can support a MLS franchise with the right owner and situation).

    And as far as the talent pool being diluted, i'm not afraid of this as most are (so long as it's slow and gradual). every time we expand, we find new talent somewhere to tap into. if need be, allow infinite # of foreigners if it does become an issue. i'd even suggest MLS try to get in touch with these EPL teams that are going to have to cut players due to the 25 player rule and either get them on loan or a full transfer. Furthermore, the more we expand, the more soccer will be in the media and the more it will grow.
     
  16. theENFORCER

    theENFORCER Member

    Apr 10, 2010
    NY
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    St.Louis, 2 NY team, a team in Miami/tampa, some Canadian team, move Chivas to San Diego.

    Perfect!
     
  17. ChefJim27

    ChefJim27 Member

    Feb 9, 2008
    The Don just finished up a USA Today chat, and reading between the lines, he had two interesting comments about expansion. First, team #20 will not be joining MLS until 2013 at the earliest. Second, Garber identified 5 cities as potential targets AFTER team #20, those identified were Atlanta, San Antonio, San Diego, Detroit, and possibly Miami...

    Therefore, I can only assume the Team #20 short list consists of New York, St. Louis, and Ottawa, with Vegas possibily depending on what is happening with a potential OG there...
     
  18. Ottawa MLS Fan

    Feb 11, 2009
    Ottawa
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    I assumed that he was meaning New York for #20, and St. Louis and Ottawa were out of luck, but I like your interpretation much much better.
     
  19. ChefJim27

    ChefJim27 Member

    Feb 9, 2008
    While I agree that the Cosmos are the likely choice for #20, they haven't been announced yet, and anything can happen. Remember, back in the day, Letters of intent waiting on press conferences were ready to roll for St. Louis, San Antonio, and Cleveland.
     
  20. SYoshonis

    SYoshonis Member+

    Jun 8, 2000
    Lafayette, Louisiana
    Club:
    Michigan Bucks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not from anyone official, you haven't. Don Garber's said for years that he can see MLS having as many as 32 teams.

    He has recently offered the opinion that there probably won't be any more teams after 20 any time soon (based on the current level of interest from potential markets), and that the 20th team had yet to be determined, but the idea that "MLS will cap the league at 20" is nothing more than BigSoccer myth. Usually, it's put forth by someone with an axe to grind about Garber who wants to pretend that they're catching him in a lie.

    The thing to take away from this "news" is that there are a couple of cities with more serious interest in getting an MLS team than there was a few months ago.
     
  21. eclipse02

    eclipse02 Member

    Sep 20, 2009
    Good to see San Antonio back in the mix.
     
  22. Footsatt

    Footsatt Member+

    Apr 8, 2008
    Michigan
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ...and Detroit.
     
  23. QueensNick

    QueensNick Member

    Jul 19, 2007
    New York City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Optimistic me - Sounds like they are really making strides in NYC being he targets cities AFTER 20 and if they are looking at 2013 - they would have to make an announcement by years end to early 2011 to allow for stadium construction.

    PESSIMISTIC ME - yea - anything can happen...ANYTHING
     
  24. Darth Vegas

    Darth Vegas New Member

    Jul 21, 2009
    Columbia City
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    I do not see Detroit itself get it in the short term ( next 10 years) because of the economy there, with the possible exception of a team somewhere in the Windsor ONT area.

    I think Tampa is more still more likely then Miami.
     
  25. Curva Nord

    Curva Nord Member

    Mar 29, 2007
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Please no more Canadian teams. I think Montreal was already one too many.
     

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