Game of Thrones.2: HBO Only [R]

I think some of you are judging the Starks a bit harshly.

Sansa is essentially in a powerless situation. She was presented with the opportunity to follow the Hound and escape King's Landing, but can she really be blamed for not trusting an emotionally unstable (former) banner-man of her family's sworn enemies?

Arya has shown wit and guile far beyond her years this entire season.

Bran is a little kid left home to do a man's job. Rickon is an infant.

Robb Stark broke his vow to the Freys over a woman. Not a very wise move perhaps, but I am going to assume all of you know at least a couple of intelligent individuals who did something stupid over love/romance/lust.

The Stark who comes out of this season looking worst is Catelyn, but even her foolishness can be explained by her blind desire to retrieve her daughters.

I have read the books, but my wife has not. She would agree with this statement. She enjoys the show, but said the same thing....Zombies? Really?

Robb, Catelyn, and Ned are the three fingernails on the chalkboard. The three strikes that make the out.

Sansa choosing to stay was pretty awesome, too. The Hound saved her from certain rape and death. Joffrey had her beaten, beheaded her father, will more than likely rape her, and is at war with her family.

And I count Snow as a dumb Stark.

But, yeah, apparently the stupid sets in after puberty.

So leaving with some unstable scary killer who's probably going to be hunted down as a traitor (particularly if Sansa goes with him) and traveling hundreds of miles through a war zone, assuming he could even get out of the city while it's under siege, is really that much dumber than staying put in the castle? Not an easy call either way, and especially not an easy call for a 13-year-old girl to make.

And Robb too, sure he's stupid, like most 17-year-old boys are stupid when they find some good nookie. Jon's still a dopey kid as well, definitely does some stupid shit, but hey, nobody ever said chopping off a cute girl's head was easy.

Catelyn though, she's freaking stupid. Ned pretty much too.

You're just being generous because you're horny.

I think she's on a stupid trajectory. Perhaps she will be redeemed.

Anyways, now that I've been thoroughly bored by the show, I plan to read synopses of the books. Maybe knowing what idiocy or not awaits, I will find the show less of a trial to endure.

How exactly was that a dumb decision? You could certainly argue it both ways. She would have been following an man she can't be sure to trust, who is going to some emotional turmoil of his own. And even if he was true to his word, there are thousands of miles between KL and Winterfell. It would be likely that the Lannisters send men to find her, and the Hound isn't a one-man army. There were enough reasons for her not to take him up on his offer that do not deserve to be described as stupidity.

The best reason: Stannis was winning when she met the Hound. It looked like she just had to stay safe in her room for a few hours, and wait for a former ally of her father to set her free.

The Walking Dead, for all its many faults, at least has cool zombie effects. I was disappointed that GOT went full-CG for their zombie effects.

I have a question to pose to the forum. What was the purpose of Tywin's horse crapping in the King's Court?

Was it showing what Tywin thought of the court? Is it reference to the 'Tywin craps gold' joke? Wondering what everyone here thought.

The German equivalent to "money makes money" is "Der Teufel scheißt auf den größten Haufen", literally "the devil shits on the hugest pile".

Or maybe that the entire charade we were about to witness was so much horseshit?

How could you tell? The zombies actually didn't make much of an impression on me, will probably focus on them more on a rewatch. The white walker on the horse was pretty obviously CGI but I'm guessing that's not what you meant?

It would be weird to CGI the zombies since they're relatively easy and cheap to swing with the right makeup.

"I'm this super-badass sorcerer whose magic has only gotten stronger since your dragons arrived! I'll keep you chained here forever! Oh no, it looks like that little dragon is going to shoot a fireball at me - should I do my super badass disappearing, then reappear somewhere else trick? Should I run away through any of the doors that literally encircle the room? Should I -- OH GOD I'M ON FIRE. I AM NOW ON FIRE!!! DO WE HAVE STOP DROP AND ROLL TECHNOLOGY??? SOMEONE HELP ME, I AM ONLY A POOR SORCERER... blarg, I am dead."

Also, what was with the "trials" Dany went through that were straight out of the Aes Sedai Wheel of Time test? At least with Jordan that kind of shit has a point; with Martin, they didn't seem to serve any real function at all. I mean, if you want to capture her and keep her by the dragons, you should probably lead her to the dragons instead of some of her heart's other deepest desires.

In general the Dany storyline was incredibly disappointing all season, but wasting a character as potentially cool as the dude from the House of the Undying like that is bad, bad writing.

When it comes to adaptations, I think it's less important to look at every single thing that happened on the journey and, instead, look at the theme and endpoint.

They shoved the theme in there - literally as exposition - and rushed to the endpoint. It was handled poorly.

Thanks, pretty much as I suspected regarding the Dany stuff, as they relate directly to changes the show made.

As a whole, not quite as good as last season, but still one of the best things to watch on TV.

I know the acting by the majority is very good, but any of you guys have any stand outs for this season? I thought Alfie Allen did a great job as Theon. Even after all he's done, I feel sorry for the git.

I hate Walder Frey, but David Bradley plays him very well. Alfie Allen is doing a great job portraying Theon as well

Yep, it was a little confusing.

I presumed that what happened to Theon (was he handed over, or just taken back with them) was left open for next season. Logically, I can only presume they either took him with them and snook off (they got what they wanted as iron born, which Theon didn't get) or they tied him up and left him...then snook off, because there is no way the 500 northerners are just going to let the ironborn 50 walk away, regardless of handing over Theon.

As for burning Winterfel.......no idea which of the two camps were supposed to be responsible for that???

I dunno but his speech was great. And I laughed because as soon as he was knocked out I assumed his men sold him out.

I think they need to send Grimes to the Wall.

http://youtu.be/P5eyJin4R18


Hilarious and poignant at once. Alfie Allen's speech was great. I hated him this season. He was a straight up b*tch ass but now I want him to win back his honor. I haven't read the books but my girlfriend inadvertantly briefed my of the Bastard of Bolton.

I'm interested in what happens to Theon, Arya, Tyron, Jon Snow and Dany. I don't care much for everyone else.