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Discussion in 'Mexico National Team' started by Hecho en Chivas, Aug 26, 2013.

  1. John Jagou

    John Jagou BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 8, 2006
    Austin, Texas
    Club:
    Pumas UNAM
    So, can't deal with defensive postures and can't put chances away? Sounds like we have found another perfect Mexico coach. Where do I sign up?
     
  2. nicamex1935

    nicamex1935 Member+

    Jul 10, 2007
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Actually, he's been dealing versus defensive postures for two years. The turnaround at America was immediate when him and Pelaez came on board.

    The most consistent team in the league by far.

    The most points in two years.

    The most goals scored.

    The least number of goals allowed.

    Most championship clubs are inconsistent in our short tourney format, but not America.

    Out goes Reyes and Benitez (rip) and the production remains consistent.

    Last night was an anomaly.

    You can go ahead and sign on the dotted line right here.
     
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  3. nicamex1935

    nicamex1935 Member+

    Jul 10, 2007
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Add all of that plus Oribe, Gullit, Lobos, and Rafa?

    Seems just fine to me.
     
  4. chiva_guero

    chiva_guero BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 4, 2007
    Mexico NSR
    those are the best mexican players at the moment?

    the america guys plus those other dudes?

    do you believe that?
     
  5. nicamex1935

    nicamex1935 Member+

    Jul 10, 2007
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Plus Reyes or Moreno too. I'm not sure which Euro Piojo will call up.

    I believe given the unique circumstances, this is our best shot.

    Doesn't mean down the line this will be the squad. I'll reitarate, Piojo said this himself.
     
  6. chiva_guero

    chiva_guero BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 4, 2007
    Mexico NSR
    So, the answer is no.

    Thanks, Nica,
     
  7. nicamex1935

    nicamex1935 Member+

    Jul 10, 2007
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Our best players shuffled in a million different ways got 2 wins in 10 games against the worst teams in the last round of regional qualifying. One of those wins was due to a miracle shot by an America player.

    I would say there's a problem there.

    You're welcome.
     
  8. metalmaster

    metalmaster Member+

    Jul 7, 2004
    In the wrong hood
    Club:
    Hakoah Maccabi Ramat Gan
    Nica, you are normally a level headed guy..but in this case the yellow glasses are strong. lol
     
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  9. GiLDRiSTA

    GiLDRiSTA Member

    Aug 18, 2005
    Club:
    Wolverhampton Wanderers
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Most points in two years. The most goals scored. The least number of goals allowed.

    ...loses to Alajwhat?...pff, wilas gonna will.
     
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  10. nicamex1935

    nicamex1935 Member+

    Jul 10, 2007
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    What can I say? I was a huge skeptic of the guy when he came to the club. Extremely cynical of every move, every transfer, and he proved me wrong again and again.

    And again.

    People forget what a laughingstock we were. The basement dwellers of the league.

    In comes Herrera and Pelaez.

    There weren't wholesale personnel changes.

    The players bought into a system and here we are two years later.

    People underestimate the difficulty of this in our short tournament format, which has been heavily criticized here in this forum over the years.

    Why?

    Because we get flavor of the season teams, who make a good run for a few months and that's it.

    Not America.

    The club is the model of consistency in the league. The results speak for themselves.

    One result like last night doesn't tarnish all of that. If that became a trend over say, ten games, like another group of players had, then yes I would be concerned.

    People erroneously dub the national team, Ameritri or other such nonsense but fail to realize it won't be 11 aguilas taking the field vs. New Zealand.

    It will be a mix of 5 or 6 Americanistas in addition to players like Oribe, Gullit, Rafa, Lobos, and possibly Reyes or Moreno.

    That doesn't seem like such a bad team to me. In fact, it seems alright.
     
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  11. nicamex1935

    nicamex1935 Member+

    Jul 10, 2007
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Some attribute this success to the quality of the league having diminished.

    That argument simply doesn't hold any water.

    The ascencion of America to the top of the league doesn't coincide with a dramatic dip in the quality of Liga MX the last two years.

    That's just irrational.

    Is it true our league isn't as good as 10 or 15 years ago?

    I could see that. There's evidence of that in club performance in Libertadores for example.

    But that didn't happen in the last two years. It didn't just collapse in the years 2011-2013.
     
  12. metalmaster

    metalmaster Member+

    Jul 7, 2004
    In the wrong hood
    Club:
    Hakoah Maccabi Ramat Gan
    League games are different level than qualifiers or God forbid they decide to take this team to the W.C.
    Plus, you need to factor in the foreigner players into America's success.
    Different animal.
     
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  13. nicamex1935

    nicamex1935 Member+

    Jul 10, 2007
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Chucho was the one great foreigner player that played a big role in our success.

    The train hasn't stopped without him.

    The foreigners could all be easily replaced by other higher quality guys.

    Oribe Peralta > Luis Gabriel Rey

    Gullit > Quik

    Lobos > Sambueza

    Rafa = Mosquera

    Reyes or Moreno > Topo

    Piojo already said this callup is specific to the situation at hand. Not calling up Euros isn't a long term vision for the world cup and he himself has said this.
     
  14. nicamex1935

    nicamex1935 Member+

    Jul 10, 2007
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    The edit button isn't working for me. What's up with the site today???

    I meant to write foreigners/starters.*
     
  15. GrandeSoccer

    GrandeSoccer Member+

    Jun 20, 2010
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Site is just broken again, annoying as shit.
     
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  16. chiva_guero

    chiva_guero BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 4, 2007
    Mexico NSR
    Yes, there are problems when your best players don't get it done.

    But, you have to be living in Bizarro World to believe that sending your less than best is a recipe to increase performance.

    There is a thread of cognitive dissonance in your posts about this approach.

    I think they'll get it done against NZ. I also think it's an oversimplified approach, and it has significant obvious risks. I think what makes me hesitate so much reading your posts is that there is no reason to try and make elaborate excuses for the dissonance. It would be less concerning (maybe irritating is the word) if you could just accept that it goes against all prevailing logic for setting up a national side.

    Exuding confidence at this point is borderline sociopathic. <--- excuse the hyperbole ;)
     
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  17. nicamex1935

    nicamex1935 Member+

    Jul 10, 2007
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    I would agree with this heading into next year facing the world cup, if we do qualify, which is not a given.

    But in these extreme circumstances, attempting to integrate a bunch of players into a system they've never had a chance to practice much less play under, is a recipe for disaster.

    There is no cognitive dissonance. I've been perfectly clear.
     
  18. Wiso

    Wiso Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 4, 2007
    Phoenix
    Club:
    Club León
    As a nuetral fan, seeing that a civa and a wila are the ones fighting, I mosco nica..

    The team has been playing great.. surely it is enough to beat New Zealand.

    Why risk it with Vuce's team again that gave up in Costa Rica?
     
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  19. DGreat

    DGreat Moderator
    Staff Member

    CD Guadalajara
    Mexico
    Oct 5, 2007
    El Ombligo
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    if that was the case then you would agree that they should have let vuce keep working so he could have a month to implement players into his system?
    who gave up the players or vuce?
     
  20. Wiso

    Wiso Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 4, 2007
    Phoenix
    Club:
    Club León
    Vuce was at fault for losing CR game..
    The players also didn't do much at the end of the game.

    That whole team was a mess out there.
     
  21. chiva_guero

    chiva_guero BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 4, 2007
    Mexico NSR
    You've been consistent, sure.

    The cognitive dissonance is around ignoring that you're not sending the best team to the most important games.

    ---

    And, I was going to say this has nothing to do with club rivalry.

    I was one of those supporting America (albeit quietly) in Copa Libertadores a few years back.
     
  22. metalmaster

    metalmaster Member+

    Jul 7, 2004
    In the wrong hood
    Club:
    Hakoah Maccabi Ramat Gan

    J0to
     
  23. chiva_guero

    chiva_guero BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 4, 2007
    Mexico NSR
    As far as players giving up and the coaches role in it, I would be more concerned these guys going to play against NZ - but not assured an ongoing NT role - would also be likely to give up.

    So what if they don't qualify? The fringe dudes know they aren't going anyway, right?

    Piojo has already done this.

    This is sketchy to say the least.
     
  24. chiva_guero

    chiva_guero BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 4, 2007
    Mexico NSR
    hey, i thought it would be cool to troll the south americans

    it's not like i was going to start a thank you thread in their forum, rofl
     
  25. metalmaster

    metalmaster Member+

    Jul 7, 2004
    In the wrong hood
    Club:
    Hakoah Maccabi Ramat Gan
    I don't know man....how can you trust a Chiva fan rooting for las wilaz? You explain that one.
     
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