French clubs in Europe 2011-2012

Discussion in 'France' started by Tsigalko, Jul 26, 2011.

  1. SportBoy333

    SportBoy333 Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    With OM doing so bad in the league right now, The Champions League has to be the furthest thing from their minds. Same thing with Arsenal. Hmmm I can see Dortmund and Olympiakos being the 2 teams advancing. Not far fetched.
     
  2. Tsigalko

    Tsigalko Member

    Jun 14, 2006
    Club:
    Olympique de Marseille
    Nat'l Team:
    Sweden
    Games this week

    Tuesday:
    Olympiacos vs Olympique de Marseille

    Wednesday:
    Ajax Amsterdam - Olympique Lyonnais
    Lille OSC - CSKA Moscow

    Thursday:
    Paris Saint-Germain - Red Bull Salzburg
    Udinese - Stade Rennais F.C.

    Pretty pivotal opening games in the champions League, if Marseille wants to have any shot at going through I think three points are a must here. Greek soccer has taken a hit lately and Olympiakos haven't played any league games yet so I think OM got a decent shot at a win despite their bad form.

    CSKA got some injury concerns and lost 0-4 in their last league game at home against Dynamo so would be nice if Lille can start their campaign with a win. Ajax has looked pretty solid in the dutch league so far but Lyon will be the best team they played this year. I'm cautiously optimistic about all games save perhaps Rennes who I think will have some trouble on the road in this European campaign.
     
  3. AfrcnHrbMan

    AfrcnHrbMan Member

    Jun 14, 2004
    Philly
    Club:
    Olympique Lyonnais
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    My predictions
    OM - Draw
    Lyon - Draw
    Lille - win
    PSG -win
    Rennes - lose
     
  4. SportBoy333

    SportBoy333 Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    Ajax and OL are the 2 youngest teams in the Champions League and of course OM are near the bottom of the list of teams who have been together the longest.
     
  5. Tsigalko

    Tsigalko Member

    Jun 14, 2006
    Club:
    Olympique de Marseille
    Nat'l Team:
    Sweden
    So results last time around:

    Olympiacos vs Olympique de Marseille 0 - 1
    Ajax Amsterdam - Olympique Lyonnais 0 - 0
    Lille OSC - CSKA Moscow 2- 2
    Paris Saint-Germain - Red Bull Salzburg 3 - 1
    Udinese - Stade Rennais F.C. 2 - 1

    2W 2D 1L

    This week:

    Tuesday:
    Trabzonspor - Lille OSC
    Olympique Lyonnais - Dinamo Zagreb

    Wednesday:
    Olympique de Marseille - Borussia Dortmund

    Thursday:
    Athletic Bilbao - Paris Saint-Germain
    Stade Rennais F.C. - Atletico Madrid
     
  6. SportBoy333

    SportBoy333 Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    My predictions:

    Lyon win
    Lille draw
    Marseille lose
    PSG draw
    Rennes draw
     
  7. Tsigalko

    Tsigalko Member

    Jun 14, 2006
    Club:
    Olympique de Marseille
    Nat'l Team:
    Sweden
    Going for

    Lyon win
    Lille draw
    Marseille win
    PSG lose
    Rennes lose
     
  8. SportBoy333

    SportBoy333 Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    I'm not confident for a Marseille win in Dortmund considering their awful defense. PSG are on a big roll right now. thats why its hard to see them losing.
     
  9. SportBoy333

    SportBoy333 Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    Lille draw, I was right. They really need to beat Inter in one of their 2 matches with them.
     
  10. guignol

    guignol Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 28, 2005
    mermoz-les-boss
    Club:
    Olympique Lyonnais
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    OM is clobbering dortmund. from what i've seen on a crappy stream though, both sides are very spotty. probably the worst CL match in history featuring two teams from "big 5" leagues.
     
  11. Tsigalko

    Tsigalko Member

    Jun 14, 2006
    Club:
    Olympique de Marseille
    Nat'l Team:
    Sweden
    Told you Marseille would win, we might flounder in the league but the experience for Europe is there. Dortmund reminds me of Lille to a certain degree, lots of possession, squandered chances and then open for counter attacks.

    2W 1D this week in Champions League and still no losses for the french teams, not bad even though Lille should have done better.
     
  12. SportBoy333

    SportBoy333 Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    Very nice win. It was 3-0 but I read it was much closer than the score. Nice to see them topping the group. I didnt expect that.
     
  13. Tsigalko

    Tsigalko Member

    Jun 14, 2006
    Club:
    Olympique de Marseille
    Nat'l Team:
    Sweden
    Tuesday
    Lille - Internazionale
    Real Madrid - Lyon

    Wednesday
    Marseille - Arsenal

    Thursday
    Rennes - Celtic
    Slovan Bratislava - Paris SG

    Really tough games in the Champions League this week, would be thrilled if one of the team could get a win, but could be three losses. Much easier fixtures in the Europa League.

    Quick predictions:
    Lille L
    Marseille W
    Lyon L
    PSG W
    Rennes W
     
  14. StarrMatthieu

    StarrMatthieu Member+

    Dec 15, 2007
    USA/FRANCE
    Club:
    Paris Saint Germain FC
    Nat'l Team:
    France
  15. SportBoy333

    SportBoy333 Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    Lille in last place I am very surprised. I didnt see the match so I cant comment.
     
  16. StarrMatthieu

    StarrMatthieu Member+

    Dec 15, 2007
    USA/FRANCE
    Club:
    Paris Saint Germain FC
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    yes i couldn't find a stream online i wanted to see the match :(
     
  17. Tsigalko

    Tsigalko Member

    Jun 14, 2006
    Club:
    Olympique de Marseille
    Nat'l Team:
    Sweden
    From what I saw Lille dominated the possession but just couldn't score. Julio Cesar was great and Lille inefficient about creating chances. 12 - 3 in Corners for Lille.
     
  18. Tsigalko

    Tsigalko Member

    Jun 14, 2006
    Club:
    Olympique de Marseille
    Nat'l Team:
    Sweden
    Not the greatest week for France, 3 losses and 2 draws and Portugal officially passed the league in uefa's ranking.
     
  19. guignol

    guignol Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 28, 2005
    mermoz-les-boss
    Club:
    Olympique Lyonnais
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    i watched Slovan-PSG and couldn't have been less impressed with PSG. selfishness in front of goal, nonchalance, lack of solidarity... they showed all the defects their detractors have been hoping for.

    for erding to miss everything all PSG fans expect. but nenê had his head dans le guidon all night, menez was worked off ball after ball like a boy playing against men, and saying pastore was mediocre is charitable. worse than losing almost every challenge and misadjusting every important pass he tried, he was just walking around he field. on one throw-in that he felt he should have been rewarded (replays show he was wrong) he just smirked and let play get away right under his nose like a spoiled child. the cherry on top was a gratuitous coup de foulard he lofted right into a group of blue shirts. that's not just showboating. it's faute professionelle and if i had been coaching, cause for immediate substitution and a substantial fine.

    want more? they finished at 9 and were not far from 8. sebo owned lugano and if either slovan had had another striker of that level or camara had not done the work of two the defense would have sunk corps et biens.

    even the notoriously chauvinistic thierry roland had had his fill by the hour and started rooting for the slovakians. if you're a PSG fan i give you fair warning before watching any recording: you will not be pleased.
     
  20. SportBoy333

    SportBoy333 Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    What does France have to do to go past Portugal again ?
     
  21. Tsigalko

    Tsigalko Member

    Jun 14, 2006
    Club:
    Olympique de Marseille
    Nat'l Team:
    Sweden
    http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method4/crank2012.html

    Very small difference but they need to outperform their teams in Europe to hold on to the 5th spot this year, if both Porto and Benfica qualify for the knockout stages they'll probably pull away from France. Can't see PSG having a deep EL run so will probably need some help from either Zenit/Shaktar or Basel.
     
  22. SportBoy333

    SportBoy333 Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    Lille are almost done in terms of Champions League but OM and Lyon have matches coming up against teams who arent as tough so I'm praying they win those. PSG is looking good now for advancement as their are in 2nd place. I thought Lille would get 2nd place easily but they have disapointed and I'm interested to see if they can finish 3rd now and get the Europa league spot. If we can get OL and OM into the CL knockout stages and PSG and Lille into the Europa League next round then I would satisfied with that. Anything less than that is a failure/disapointment.
     
  23. guignol

    guignol Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 28, 2005
    mermoz-les-boss
    Club:
    Olympique Lyonnais
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    as for me, i'm with you not only there but with what you said about rennes elsewhere: i've had it with them.

    if i was moustache i'd stop sending 4th place to the EL. i'd put the spot up for grabs this way: any L1 club who's interested can put in their application with letter of motivation: "we finished 12th but over the last 15 matchdays we were 8-5-2; players X and Y coming up from the academy are great prospects, we intend to spend X€ in the transfer market and are keeping the same coach.

    the club chosen is under certain obligations: to play their first team not lose home or away to any club under a certain rating, advance to a certain point in the tournament... in return they get matches on european weeks moved to the day of their convenience, contract fulfilled means guaranteed no relegation, seeding in the next league cup, maybe even their EL scores counted in their goal differential, who knows? not fulfilling the bargain means points docked, both matches against next year's EL candidate played away... i don't know, SOMETHING to make sure the club who goes into the EL will take it seriously!
     
  24. Tsigalko

    Tsigalko Member

    Jun 14, 2006
    Club:
    Olympique de Marseille
    Nat'l Team:
    Sweden
    I wonder if that is legal under UEFA rules, but yea seeing teams mess up the coefficient year after year is frustrating, at this point losing a European spot might be in the league's best interest to avoid the Socheux/Montpelliers etc.

    I had some hopes for Rennes, they are rich enough not to be forced to sell off big talents right away (like M'Vila) and they do have a quite deep and talented midfield, their downfall to me falls on their inexperienced backline, the goalkeeper and lack of true strikers. Of course they were also screwed with the group draw, both getting a hard draw and then having the 4th seeded Sion getting replaced with a 2nd seeded Celtic.

    PSG will probably progress but tbh they have looked really awful in most of their Europa league games, severely outplayed by Bilbao and the two games against Bratislava was pretty woeful, if they finish 2nd in the group they might have to play teams like Tottenham, Porto, Shaktar Donetsk or Napoli and it could be a quick exit if they don't improve.
     
  25. NicolasN.

    NicolasN. Member

    Oct 25, 2007
    France
    Club:
    Paris Saint Germain FC
    That's not true. PSG totally outplayed Bratislava twice and dominated Salzburg too. The only team that really gave PSG a hard time is Bilbao. I remember we promised hell to PSG during the past season with Dortmund and Sevilla in the group which ended up in PSG going through despite fielding a mixed team everytime.
     

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