But you said he tested postive in '99 and it was covered up. What do you want to change your statement to now, sh!theel? Wow, Greg LeMond, a person who sabotaged his own team mate, a person who is the epitome of class, is pissed Armstrong has upstaged him? Color me surprised. You just keep coming up with so much evidence. The French have always been so desperate to discredit Armstrong.
Actually you moron, this is what he said ``I'm sorry for you. I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. But this is a hell of a race. You should believe in these athletes, and you should believe in these people. I'll be a fan of the Tour de France for as long as I live. And there are no secrets -- this is a hard sporting event and hard work wins it.'' And with that, I'm going to bed, but feel free to finally back your statements up with substantial facts. I'll be back in the morning to piss all over whatever stupid statements you make.
explanation : That wasn't the same substance ! http://66.249.93.104/search?q=cache.../jul99/jul23.shtml+salve+armstrong+1999&hl=fr He didn't mention he took this salve the day of the control. He was controlled positive and 10 days later he said "no no no, it was for my arse" which is forbidden by UCI rules (to mention afterwards and not the day of the control). However the UCI, completely forgetting its own regulation, said "OK that's fine".
He tested positive for corticoids in 99 not for EPO. He tested positive for EPO years laters when the test for EPO was available. Don't you know there's plenty of tests about all kinds of substance which can be made on a single sample ?
This whole thing is insane. Isn't this like trying to expose the Pope as having a stagnant love life? I mean, the only bicyclist in the world not using artificial stimulants is my 4-year-old, and just today I caught him with a purple lollypop. A purple lollypop, damn it!
I like Lance too. He competes in a sport where a non-drug-user will be lost somewhere in Fontenbleau while the pack is crossing the Pyrennees. I firmly believe that those cars that follow them around have trunks chock-full of pills. I would be utterly surprised if any rider who has ever competed in the Tour since the invention of the disposable syringe rode a single stage without seeing a pink elephant at least once. In a matchup of a bunch of drugged cyclists Lance wins because he has the most ability of all drugged cyclists. By which I mean all cyclists. The whole "exposing" business is pure hypocrisy. Now, if L'Equipe went ahead and exposed Viatcheslav Yekimov as actually being a rubber-skin cyborg... wait... I still wouldn't be surprised.
The problem is all riders are not "doped the same" and basically if you have a competent doctor like Michele Ferrari, you have more chances to win races than others. It has become a mechanical sport, like Formula 1. Anyway the nickname given by Armstrong to Ferrari was "Schumi" referring to Schumacher. But all the peloton is not using drugs. Some experts say it's impossible to enter the top 10 while being clean, but after that, you could have clean riders in the rankings.
Wow, that's just sad that this topic is just another occasion to vent out anger and hatred towards the French in general. Well, knowing the intellectual honesty if not ability of some of those poster I shouldn't be too surprised. So, one article in one French sport daily which finally represents its own views, the end result...France sucks...Yeah ! Wooohooo ! Bravo, talk about a brain tax... Well, according to what's been published in the US media, I'm wondering what global and definitive opinion I should have about the whole country on every issue. If you hate France, go ahead, make a shrine thread or something...But this kind of lame shabby excuse, wait...What am I supposed to expect anyway ? PS : Have you ever heard of what French media have done to Richard Virenque who happened to be the French public sweetheart at the time ? Guess, some people are talking out of their ass for a change...
Yet, not to ultimately defend Armstrong, I think the media should not substitute themselves to the judiciary system in those affairs ; if they have infos, pass them on, but they're not in a position to give something like a law verdict. This applies to various issues.
I cant' disagree with that, but what L'Equipe has just done is investigating. They merged the numbers with the samples and they said "we've got a scoop", now it's all up to the UCI to decide what to do. They have just acted like good journalists, for once. Besides, I've been surprised by the titles of US news agencies like AP saying "Armstrong hit by doping allegations". That's so biased. There's no "allegations" in what's been revealed, it's not some guy who said "Lance is taking drugs" like Mike Anderson for example. It's samples from his urine that have been tested positive to EPO, and after that, you can tell "but the samples were 6 years old" or "how can you be sure the numbers of the samples are Armstrong's samples numbers ?" and all types of questions. But unless someone can tell "it's the wrong numbers" or "EPO can't be detected 6 years later" (which don't seem to be the case) etc, it's a proof he's taken EPO. "They" don't want to admit that and will use any types of excuses to reject what's obvious (including this stupid "French are jealous" excuse, which is a bit like saying "Americans are so irritated because they didn't win the WC in 1994"). Some guys will always tell you "bring me more evidences" even if they're lying under their noses ...
^so L'Equipe says the samples are Armstrongs. are we just supposed to believe them? where's the proof that they are Lance's?
Lance married her and they spent a few years together (3 kids) before they divorced a couple years ago. The long distance marriage with him training in Europe so often put a strain on their relationship. Do you have evidence otherwise?
and that came from whom (the quote you posted)? has L'Equipe released any of hte documents associated with this
That came from me ! yes they've released photocopies of the documents they used to get to that conclusion. The digital version of the newspaper can be purchased at their official site (lequipe.fr)
It's not morally right but here's the PDF file from L'Equipe . The lines in red are the ones where the samples are positive with three different methods. Frankly, that's irrefutable, the only thing you could object is that these documents are fake ones ...
Dude, the alleged urine is from six years ago. It's very possible and likely that this was faked in order to tarnish Armstrong's reputation. It's no coincidence that the first "evidence" they've ever cited comes after he's retired. We've got no way of knowing if this was his urine and thus bringing it up at this time is simply horrendous and unfair.
No it's not "very possible", L'Equipe is the most powerful and respected sport newspaper in Europe with La Gazzetta dello Sport. It's not the Daily Mirror or some "tabloid journalism". And the method to detect EPO the way they did it in the lab only appeared at the end of 2004.
Like the vast majority of the sport of professional cycling Armstrong is up to his neck in performance enhancing drugs. Now go ahead and sue me Lance...