News: France-Albania & France-Bosnia (Oct. 7 and Oct. 11) Euro 2012 qualifiers

Discussion in 'France: National Teams' started by pindal, Oct 1, 2011.

  1. Ozilll Member

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    Vitez don't worry, we all saw Bosnia deserved a place more then France. Frenchman also, they know that, but what you expect them to say?

    A referee can't deny Platini a place in a competition. Just go and google about the Ireland game ref, you would then ask yourself why an incompetent like him was appointed to a crucial game of that stance.

    Twice now they have to be saved by the ref to qualify, and believe me this is a stain on their reputation.

    So now thay defend like cats would do, when cornered.
          
  2. lefutur Member

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    This is getting freaking ridiculous. Mods coming in here and encouraging trolls to just disparage our threads.

    Why do we need to put up with this?

    I'm flagging every troll post in here.
  3. NicolasN. Member

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    Speaking of which, something funny happened during the Ireland game :

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdD8QiUBtmk&feature=player_embedded#"]Worst Referee Decision (Armenia - Ireland) ???????? ???????????? (??????? - YouTube[/ame]

    It once again prove that all those moanings last year were ridiculous. I'm still waiting for their federation to ask for a new game, Henry should not have celebrated his goal (assist actually), should have told the ref he made a handball and so on...
  4. Inara Moderator

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    Don't worry, I'm going through the comments now.
  5. bwiorly Member

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    Personally, I'm not so much worried about the trolls--we knew they were coming, they came, they'll be gone as soon as they find out who their opponent is in the playoffs (in just a few hours then).

    What concerns me a lot more is the fact that the Bosnia forum is "moderated" by newbies (why?) who obviously have no interest in moderating, are there to add oil to the fire, and don't seem to be able to control their emotions.

    Of course, I don't have to go to the Bosnia forum, but I feel I have a stake in Big Soccer. I love these boards and value the civil tone that prevails throughout the site. Let things get out of hand in one forum and you have one foot on the proverbial slippery slope...

    Anything being done about this as far as you know?
  6. Ferhatovic Member+

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    because those same newbies basically started the bosnian forum on this site, geez.

    anyways, good luck to france in euro 2012 they were good opponents in this group, maybe we meet again one day.
  7. guignol Moderator

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    GUIGNOL! GUIGNOL! GUIGNOL! GUIGNOL!...

    GUIGNOL! GUIGNOL! GUIGNOL! GUIGNOL!...

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    hello kids!!! i'm here with me friend deputy dan!

    well at 4:44 am my time I was in bed! before that i was watching titine and le françois, and before that I was diddling away what time I consecrate to BS on the P&CE OWS thread. the greater fool i.

    well I certainly didn’t… if it had been italy I would have been on the qui vive but didn’t even know there was a bosnian community here... so i will take all blame here.


    inara resurrrected to give one yellow to the only real troll here, and i finished him off. none of the other comments shock me at all: we've seen much worse, haven't we? bwiorly, what goes on in other threads deserves to stay there. the difference between zeljo's comments here and there suggest to me that he knows what is and isn't done.

    let's take a look at all the heated exchange with cool heads: no one is blameless and no one is really evil. that the bosnians would see things differently from we is natural; their disappointment must have been great and their reactions necessarily reflect that. they also on the whole show a level of sportsmanship not all share.

    i for one am fervently rooting for them to make it to the euro based on what their team has shown throughout the prelims and especially on tuesday.

    now i'm going to tell you how i saw the match and deputy dan wants you all to be quiet while i'm doing it.
  8. guignol Moderator

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    my postgame reaction will surprise you: france played pretty well throughout and would have won handily if blanc had played m'vila and cabaye instead of their little sisters. for over half an hour the bosnians grabbed every single 50-50 ball and got it to their forwards unhampered. first duel won was at 36' and i think that might have been flo!

    sure, the bosnians' fatigue from an hour's heavy pressing was a big factor. and subbing cabaye out was not just getting his miserable carcass off the pitch but also a reorganization with rémy right and menez left. martin brought some spark. but malouda had been doing well on the left with evra, and rémy had been "good enough" on point to get the job done with the balls menez and nasri would have supplied him with from any position if only we had had some possession. there was plenty of talent up front.

    the defense was in danger all first half but basically because they were so isolated and exposed. RVR made one big mistake when he tried to clear too cleverly but beside that was very good. evra was not of much defensive use but that was the game plan, and abidal covered enough ground to free him for the raids he made and made well. rami was pale, and against their n°1 that could have hurt us bad but with the space dzeko had to run at him with i doubt even the great rafael varane could have done much better.

    the whole problem was that if lolo put a 4-5-1 on the field with such defensive heavyweights as nasri, menez and malouda it's because he expected the other two to lay down the law instead of just standing there and watching the daisies grow. m'vila playing like a big girl's blouse we won't see often, but cabaye i'm afraid will never come good. every minute he's worn the blue shirt he's stunk. he'll get 45 more chances against the USA (oh, you hadn't heard?) and those will be his last to make the 23.


    now for the péno:


    i'm afraid i agree. the referee was right there and the foul is indeniable and undeniably inside the box.


    this is the easiest. the line is in the box just like the touchline is in play and the quarter-circle is in the cornerkick spot.


    i really like emir spahic and when i knew he was leaving MHSC i had a dream he'd come to lyon. but as we've seen before, he can make very stupid decisions. here he rushes out to challenge nasri well outside the box when what he needed to do was just keep him out of it, and so he got beat. and then goes wraps a leg al the way around and with the ref so close he almost got a semelle himself. not very bright.


    the foul is a whole. as long as nanass stays up the ref can decide to let him play on (i'm sure we have no disagreement there). if spahic lets go his judo hold more quickly he can always come back and call a FK. but with emir going for the ippon so hard, what's a poor scotchman to do?


    except for an absence of about 30-40 seconds where he let 3 big fouls (both sides) go unwhistled i think mr. thomson acquitted himself very well.

    i have to agree. i was confident from about 65" on that the goal would come. what finally told the tale best was at 1-1; there was a pass their right winger would have run onto beautifully in the first half... he didn't get within 10 meters of it. completely out of juice.


    and a last refereeing remark:

    the replay makes manez look very bad, and that's exactly why video officiating must NOT be introduced. spahic's (iirc) attempt to trip is so big, so late and so blatant that whether he touches menez or not the yellow is absolutely warranted. and it's altogether believable to me that menez might not have gone down on purpose, that the jump and jink to avoid the leg could have made him come down by itself. i'm not saying it's so, just that it's possible. if you play yourself you know that not every fall is a dive.

  9. bwiorly Member

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    Fair enough. I just hate the thought of a part of Big Soccer where it's acceptable to wish for a man's death and call for his murder just because one is upset about a disputable call. I don't think you'd let it happen here and I certainly don't remember any precedent on Big Soccer (no one went to such extremes on the Ireland board after Henry's hand ball for example).

    Time to move on, though. The Bosnian posters are gone, their attention all on Portugal. They may or may not be around this summer (honestly I think the Bosnia-Portugal tie is a 50-50 affair). I'm not particularly looking forward to their outbursts of uncontrolled rage if their team ends up qualifying.
  10. Vitez Member+

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    :rolleyes: Give it a rest already. You make it out to be like you're some keeper of the forum. The Bosnian posters know their limits and have been civil for the most part.

    Anyways, good luck at the EURO France.
  11. bwiorly Member

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    Yes, I am giving it a rest. Will be watching the Bosnia-Portugal tie with interest. No clear favorite for me in this one. We'll see what happens...

    In the meantime, we know we have a lot of work in front of us if we want to be half-decent this summer. More thoughts to come soon.
  12. guignol Moderator

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    i went through all the pages concerning this match and they have about the same mix of , good, very good and mediocre posters as anywhere else, and probably better than most places. go check out the RMCF or MU threads is you want to see real muppets!
  13. Ozilll Member

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    Nice stuff, Inara send me a warning i lost 1 point, next time she will ban me.

    Guignol since you are also a mod here do you mind explaining to me how did i deserve this?


    Reporting my comments as abusive and a mod jumping into it wow, so mature, who made Inara a mod here?

    @lefutur let's talk about how a mod can be ridiculous now if you wish too.
  14. N. Platini Member

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    Probably because your post was worthless . Who the fck are you to question her ? You've been here for 2 minutes .

    Fck off
  15. lefutur Member

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    I tend to share bwiorly's view that there is a line that you don't cross when it comes to passionate outbursts on Bigsoccer. Other forums are more permissive, namely the forum that it appears all of these newbie Bosnian members were formerly a part of. Thank god Bigsoccer is nothing like that...for now.

    Of course bwiorly and I have no power to regulate the forums but we do have a voice to express our opinion and if you don't like it, hey, don't visit our threads man.
  16. bwiorly Member

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    You have to wonder whether the constant pressure from Bosnia during the first 60 min. of the match (that ended up costing them dearly in the last 20) was players just being caught up in the moment and not realizing that they were playing with fire, or a deliberate strategy from Susic (let's go all out for as long as we can; we know that at some point we'll run out of gas, but it might be too late in the game for France to do anything about it).

    Either way, it almost worked. If fatigue had come on 80 min. instead of 60, their chances to hang on to their lead would have been greatly enhanced. And if If they had scored a second goal when they had our heads under water, we could very well have come back to draw 2-2 in the last 15 minutes, but it certainly wasn't a sure bet.

    And either way, give them credit. Their drive and hunger for the ball for a whole hour was fantastic--when's the last time we played that way? Seriously? If it takes being an underdog to leave everything out on the pitch, then great, because that's what we'll be as early as the group stage at the Euro.
  17. CoDave Member

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    Regardless of the Bosnian outbursts, insults and ridiculousness on a number of forums, I'm going to pull for them to beat Portugal. My reasoning: 1.The look on Christiano Ronaldos face would be priceless, 2.Bosnia have a good team and 3.They won't spend the next decade blaming some Platini/UEFA conspiracy for their shortcomings.
  18. bwiorly Member

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    You forgot the best reason to root for Bosnia from a France standpoint: we need either Portugal or Croatia to not qualify if we want to avoid being placed in Pot 4 for the Euro draw.

    I still hope Portugal pulls through (and no, not just to upset our Bosnian visitors--I had many Portuguese friends growing up in the suburbs of Paris), but if they don't, at least I won't be too heartbroken.
  19. lefutur Member

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    But come on guys. You have to admit the Platini conspiracy theories are logical. Because its completely reasonable that not only did Platini bribe the referee personally, but he also brainwashed the entire world media to think that the penalty was deserved. Makes perfect sense to me.
  20. Nanbawan Member

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    Goes to show that his powers are limitless...

    France is helped by the referees, the authorities, the UN, Chinese from the FBI, Al Qaeda, The Illuminatis, undead Nazis, the ghost of Vercingetorix unless it is Clovis or Jeanne d'Arc at least adds some novelty to the usual "you're a team of Africans"...

    Oh, and I brand "typical French" the most versatile argument ever...
  21. Nanbawan Member

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    Problem with M'Vila is that he's indispensable both for Rennes and for France and now plays every single game. I actually expect him to struggle a bit when L1 returns if he can't get some decent rest. It's always tricky to do but I hope Antonetti will find a way to let him on the bench for some of the games.

    OTOH, as an anecdote I liked how he learnt from his first half error that led to the goal which also courtesy of Rami in one of his worse performance in a blue shirt. Anyway, if you've looked at him in the second period, you can be sure he was always in front of the ball in a FK position for Bosnia; that's definitely a lesson he won't forget soon !
  22. AfrcnHrbMan Member

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    Wasn't Rami carrying a knee knock? That would explain why he looked like crap for large streches of the match and got schooled by Dzeko on that goal. Dzeko while a quality striker, isn't the trickiest of players...
  23. Zeljo Fanatico Member+

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    ^ Surprisingly, Dzeko can do a lot with the ball, despite the size. That wasn't Rami sucking as much as it was a world class turn and shot from Dzeko. Even the best defenders in the world would've felt completely helpless there.
  24. CoDave Member

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    lol :d
  25. lefutur Member

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    The site where i would download the EdF games (and Lyon games) got shut down. can anyone recommend a site for the France match downloads?

    thanks.

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