Absolutely despicable of these Croat fans. They must they create havoc across the state?? Zeljo was just trying to celebrate its 90th birthday.. and yet you see dumb asses across the board starting up shit and ruining everything. With the recent turn of events, a war is more and more likely possible... If this continues up and people end up getting killed the government has to take measures, this is unacceptable.
I doubt this will go as far as war, but this needs to be put to an end for sure. All the Serbs and Croats are looking for fights now in our league games and surprise, surprise, it comes right when we're on the verge of qualifying for a major tournament. Just showing why we will never succeed on the international level as long as this ensues.
I blame hooligans in general. It's worse in the Balkans where people are easily controlled through "ethnic" divisions. This is one of the reasons I don't like following soccer from Bosnia. Too much shit politics ruining a game who people all around the world usually enjoy peacefully. I'm hoping this shit dies down because I seriously want to bring my kid to a Bosnian soccer match without having to fear for my life.
I really doubt it will die down in the next decade or so. Football should unite people, so maybe just maybe a trip to the European Championship (if we even get lucky a win at the EC) could unite and bring a sense of patriotism... We all know the Serbs and Croats are being brainwashed by Belgrade and Zagreb. If the governments around the balkans can just work together and stop all this ethnic bullshit all these countries broadcast. Live in ********ing harmony for once. BTW.. it seems like the Manijaci did actually do some damage to the the hooligans... threw some torcida fans into the miljaska lol.
True, but the hodzas/Bosnjak politicians are doing the same shit to us too. I know to many friends/family members that will gladly kill a Serb/Croat without hesitation and this is after surviving Srebrenica. It's a circle of hate that I hope stops with the current generations coming up. Can't wait when Bosnia actually gets more objective news. From the clip someone posted couple of days ago I see it's beginning slowly.
Can't remember the thread it was a reporter talking about the recent streak of hooliganism. I think it was from OBN, not completely sure.
You can't compare the hate. They hate us simply because we're Muslim. We hate them because they hate us, simple as that. If they weren't racists/fascists, we wouldn't hate them.
That is still circular reasoning. If you want to get rid off hate the only logical solution is to stop it. This is how wars begin by people focusing more on their differences than what makes them similar. It's funny how all of the main Bosnian religions have a common source in the myth of Abraham, but no one for a second thinks of that when they decided to hate on another person. It's surprising how easily men can be persuaded to kill one another. Here's two quotes that summon up the political problems in the Balkans and the world over.
They bring up the Turks because they view all non-Christians in the area as "sell-outs." What they don't realize is that modern Bosniaks are descendants of non-Christians even before Islam, haha. Turks treated the Christians well, they were the ones that brought Serbs to Bosnia, believe it or not.
The problem in BiH is that politics is part of every aspect of life, including sports. Neutrals can't just go to a mach anymore and feel safe, which is incredibly sad and unfair. I think, if the NT can somehow make a big spectacle like qualifying and doing well, it could unite us somewhat.
There are a lot of inaccuracies in that guys statement, so much so that the average person who doesn't know much about the BALKAN region should be skeptical of it. I hate discussing ideologies and politics, it always divides people. That's why I try not to associate myself with any part or fall for any propaganda.
Not that I support any violence nor do I know if the Hajduk fans were Torcida from Split or Hajduk fans from Bosnia or both (different sites say different things) but Zeljo fans clashed with the visiting fans and chased them away, beating up a few fans and even throwing some in Miljacka or they were hiding in the miljacka river. That's what i read on index.hr. I don't know how much truth is in it. If you wanna see the video, (warning to all: there is ugly violence) youtube Manijaci vs. Torcida (video lasts 15 minutes) It is sad to do and see things like these. What to expect in next games? If Bosnia meets Serbia, Montenegro or Croatia in playoffs, there should be more police officers than fans. Sad ex-yu reality. Looks like they might implement games without fans in Bosnia in order to stop this nonsense
Just watched it, wow I was totally wrong. I counted at least a dozen or so cases where Zeljo fans knocked a Croatian fan out and kept kicking him while he was down unconsious, disturbing shit. A weird thing I caught towards the begining of the video was a Manijak carrying around a branch as a weapon. It wasn't one of those wood, hard branches, but one of those limp ficus tree branches where it's all leaf. What was he planing to do, tickle some Torcida members to death? Over all a pretty disturbing video.
I warned ya. IDK about that tree branch but kicking those people on the ground is disturbing and scary too.
LMAO his mom told him to go get a prut from the trees. So was there ever an answer about the makeup of the Croatian hooligans? Now I'm hearing it was 50/50 local scum/Torcida fans.
Last I heard, it was mostly local scum (Siroki Brijeg, Mostar, and the like). I heard the buses heading out from Split and Dalmacia didn't even make it to Sarajevo at that time. There were probably some Croatian fans (the ones that are actually from Croatia) there that came by on their own means, but most of them were Hercegovina Croats.
It never fails to amaze me how much hate there is, even among the young people in Bosnia, the people that are supposed to be liberal and accepting. Its disgusting really, especially since it spilled over into the sports arena. BTW, Dodik (Dodo Dick) wished that we beat France for some reason. Probably just covering up for his ordered hooliganism activities.
It's hard to be liberal and accepting in a post war country that is filled with 3 ethnicities that just don't want to be together. Each group thinks the other group hates tham, so they return the hate.
LMAO about the branch. Sorry guys I'm being the bad guy here, but those fans that got kicked deserved it. They were the ones coming over looking for trouble, looking for ways to cause violence and even disrupt our atmosphere coming into the game against France. What were the Zeljo fans supposed to do.. just stay there and watch? ******** that **********.
I'm just afraid a bunch of Serbs or Croats may disguise themselves as Bosnian fans and throw flares in the game against France to register a 3-0 win for France.
I agree, the HS hooligans knew what they were getting into, knew they were outnumbered, and still they thought they could get away with rioting in an opposing club's city. But still, it's pretty difficult watching some of those images. See for yourself: [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4j5LneskcLc"]Manijaci vs. Torcida - YouTube[/ame]
