Fix for Diving and Simulation.

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  1. Boda United

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    I have a crazy idea for fixing the "diving" that is so prevelant in certain leagues around the world. We all know who. It is sickening to watch certain players "act" like they may never walk again, only to be stretchered off then hop up and wave to be let back on the feild. IMHO that should never be a part of the game of soccer, never. It's not gamesmanship it's cheap and classless tactics, period. Man-up, take your knocks and play on. Anyways, I digress....back to the fix. However long a player is "injured" (real or not) on the ground and stopping play, that is how long he must stay on the sideline, minimum is 1 minute to be kept by the 4th official.(Gives the guy something to do at least) If they really are hurt, then the 1 minute extra time should help recovery, if they aren't really hurt, tough. If you get stretchered off, add a minimum of 3 minutes off the feild to the time spent rolling around on the feild. Fire away!


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    snipers can take care of the problem
  3. Toronto Red

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    Funny though, the whole stretcher off thing was to try to eliminate the time wasting on the field. This was a FIFA mandate for Italia 90 or sometime around then.
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    Double the time. Down two, out four, Down four, out eight. Sounds good to me.


  5. FanOfFutbol

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    Oh, it is really so simple: No time keeping no judgment just justice. Any time a player leaves the field as the result of a foul and then returns if his team later scores the player that was called for the foul gets one free kick to any part of that player's anatomy (except the big head)

    I know this would result in some innocent players getting punished BUT the number of simulations would drop dramatically. These simulators are cowards and they would stop in order to avoid the kick at all costs.
  6. footballer7883

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    Actually its interesting this thread was created because I've just been talking to some friends about the idea that I've had for a while.

    Leave the in-game rules alone.

    After games, UEFA or FIFA or FA officials or whoever review the tapes for suspected simulations. When one is found, fine the holy hell out of the guilty party. And I don't mean, a tiny little slap on the wrist. I mean a HUGE fine.

    I agree that diving is a cancer on the game and $$ seems to be the only thing the modern footballer understands.
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    This is very hard. very hard :) But this is a great idea and I'm repping you for it.
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    There is no rule the ref has to immediately let the player back in. If a ref suspects a player is faking an injury off to the sideline he goes and the ref can let him back on the field when he feels like it.
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    Iron Fist to the criminal-minded cheaters!!
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    I like the idea of an after-the-fact review. I have another idea for this, which I've always thought would be a great implementation that would be much more severe than a fine. Your teammates don't hate you for getting fined, but they will come down on you for missing games on account of theatrics.

    Soccer should never have instant-replay. It simply isn't in the cards, but I do think some things could be reviewed after the fact. Nothing that could change the outcome of a match, but instead of fining these little diving bitches, why not issue them a formal yellow card?

    This would have no impact on the match itself, but by accumulation would have players such as Ronaldo sitting out every fifth game. One yellow per player per game max. If the player received a yellow in the match, this doesn't make it a red meaning they aren't suspended, but does count toward accumulation.

    Also this should only apply to blatant dives. Making a meal of a minor foul is incredibly lame, but at least you got hit. Who can argue that maybe that slight glance didn't hit a pressure point or something? I'm talking completely bogus dives. At least penalize for this.
  11. GVPATS77

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    The Scotish FA was supposedly going to do exactly what you suggested above this season. I don't know if they actually have, but I seem to recall reading somewhere that a player actually did receive an "after-the-fact" yellow for simulation.

    While the ref is the ultimate authority on the field, it's also important to recognize that he's only human. League officials the world over use video replay afterthe fact to determine extra long suspensions for players guilty of a vicious foul. There is no reason they can't use the same replays to root out blatant dives.
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    So if with 6 minutes to go a player gets fouled badly and requires three minutes of treatment, the team whose player did the foul get to play the rest of the match against 10 men?

    They should just do what they seem to do in Germany a fair bit. Unless the injury looks serious, the ref just plays on.
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    Leagues should definitely allow themselves plenty of leeway to issue yellow and red cards after the fact. It's always going to be hard to determine in some cases whether a player actually dove even after the fact, and the occasional wrong decision is inevitable. However, league officials with the benefit of instant slow-motion replays with multiple angles will always be far more consistent than a referee making a snap decision in real time.

    The possibility of suspensions will serve as a deterrence, even if it doesn't preclude the possibility that a missed dive call on the field could change the outcome of a game. Unfortunately, dives will always tend to unfairly affect the outcome of the games in which they occur, at least until referees gain the ability to review instant replays during the match.

    Incidentally, I don't think it will ever happen in the foreseeable future, but it doesn't strike me as an absolutely crazy idea to allow referees to review a replay before deciding to award something as game-changing as a straight red or a penalty kick.
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    Couldn't you just make a sub if the guy is that seriously injured? I suppose a sub would be allowed to enter immediately (implying that there was no acting going on).
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    I'm in favor or post-game reviews and the issuance of cards after games.

    I have another suggestion. If, in the referee's estimation, a player dives to win a PK, a PK will be awarded to the other team and the player will receive a red card.

    It will put the ref in tough spots but it will also put an end to the silliness and dishonesty.
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    I think just an ejection would suffice. If a player was thought to have taken a dive but in-fact really got mugged the ref would pretty much ruin a match. Plus having to stop play and walk all the way to the other goal reminds me too much of American Football ;-)
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    I'd apply this to MLS only, as I don't see FIFA agreeing to this for the rest of the World.

    There's a far more simple solution.

    If a player goes flying, rolls around on the field, and generally acts as if he's been shot, he has to leave the field immediately.

    If the player receives genuine treatment on the sideline, he can return on the next stoppage.

    However, if after the incident, the player simply gets the old water and cold-spray fake-treatment, then hops up and down like nothing happened, he's given a 5 minute sin-binning (taken from Rugby) and can not be subbed out of the game during this period of time.

    There would also be a yellow card issued, and should it be his 2nd yellow, he's done.

    In addition, the player would be fined $5k for the 1st incident and $10k for each additional incident. Fines like that would stop such behavior immediately, since MLS players simply don't make enough money to pay such a fine on a regular basis.
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    While I'm still a proponent of game-review and heavy fining, I do think the issue of game delay due to faking an injury could be expedited by requiring the IMMEDIATE removal of a downed player via stretcher.

    I mean, if a guy goes down, and doesn't get up quickly (perhaps within a set number of seconds, like a boxing count), a team runs out, puts him on a stretcher and gets him off FAST. Even if he tries to get up, once the physios are on the field, too bad. You're on a stretcher buddy and you ain't comin' back on till the next stoppage. Said player cannot return to play until the next stoppage.

    Its basically what is in place now but much more stringently enforced. I think the count down before the team comes on will encourage players to get up quicker and not roll around on the ground like they have a knife in their knee. God I hate it when players do that. No honor.
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    Being that this is the world's game, everyone would have to adhere to the new standards. That won't happen, because seemingly only about three countries view diving as a shameful act.
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    Except you'd have teams deliberately kick the ball out of play to create a stoppage to allow them to come back on further delaying the run of play.

    Post game reviews with mandatory game suspensions for dives and double when simulated injury with a mandatory fine will do the trick. Give a person the job to review the games and give them a bonus for catching simulators and then take the proceeds and donate it to a worthy charity. Fine the game check for the first offense and the game check plus 10% of a players salary for each subsequent offense and you'll see the practice end in a matter of games.
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    I see your point about kicking the ball out...

    Either way, fine the bastards.
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    It may also help to get all the refs a mandatory physics course. Many times you can see whether it's a dive or not by looking at the way the player is falling down. Simple laws of physics tell you that a certain impact will lead to a certain type of fall. A fall that doesn't fit into that criteria is either a dive or embellishment.

    I have seen so many scenes were the ref called a foul even though it was so obviously not a natural fall, it's embarassing.
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    Yeah, great idea, let's punish those who are genuinelly injured just to get at the fakers
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    Please explain how it punishes those that are really hurt? If you are truly hurt then you probably need some time off the feild. The feild of PLAY is not the recovery room, go to the sideline and get better. If you need more than 15-20 seconds to "get better", you need to go the sideline, stretchers should come out immediatly. This may also prevent going back on too soon. I have played soccer for a long time, I have taken my share of hits and knocks. The only time I have stayed down is when I needed time to recover. The feigning of inury is a detestable detraction from the game.

    Thank-you for attacking an idea without any offer of an alternative solution.
  25. WillieB

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    A player could get a genuine injury that doesn't require long term treatment, a dead leg, ankle knock or cramp for example. The first aider is allowed some time to treat this player and there is also the time it takes for the player's medical team to get to him. You are suggesting in this case that this player is taken from the field and kept off for the time it took the medical team to get to him and treat his genuine injury and the minimum period should be for 1 minute. Why? His team now has to play a man down for at least one minute because of an infringement by the opposition. There are many genuine knocks that require treatment but not prolonged treatment and do not require the players being removed from the field of play.

    So as I said you are suggesting punishing those who are genuinely injured.

    As for providing an alternative. I didn't realise I had to provide an alternative in order to disagree with you however here's one reason why your suggestion will make things worse and not better.

    In the last few minutes of a match we are winnimg 1-0 and under a fair bit of pressure I decide to give the opposition start player a dull one such that he goes down and needs treatment. He needs to go off and guess what happens before his "injury time" is up? Yes, the final whistle goes.

    I too have player soccer for a long time and there have been occasions when I've taken a knock and played on however due to the injury I have been less effective than I was prioir to receiving the injury however with a bit of treatment, say some heat spray, I would able to play on just as effective as before.

    Don't you think FIFA have thought of this and have considered why it would and would not work and decided there are more reasons not to implement it than to implement it?

    Anyway, you said it yourself, it is a crazy idea.

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