FIFA World Ranking

Discussion in 'Women's International' started by jonny63, Mar 17, 2006.

  1. WPS_Movement

    WPS_Movement Member+

    Apr 9, 2008
    Challenge for Everyone:
    If you could pick one nation to move up at least 5 spots in the FIFA rankings, who would it be, and "why" ???
    Quick rule, you can't pick your own country.

    Inside CONCACAF, I would choose Mexico (it would be good for the world of women's football).
    Outside of CONCACAF, I'd like to see New Zealand.
    But I certainly would also like to see China raise up again.
    I'm not picking any UEFA teams here, because the UEFA confederation is already stacked with elite teams.
    If I had to pick someone inside UEFA, I would go with Ireland. Following by Switzerland.
     
  2. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Dec 3, 2006
    I pick Chile. They were at 118 before they played Canada in neutral territory.

    Pretty much guarantee they go up 5 slots.
     
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  3. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    if you have not yet watched it, check out the exciting last 30 minutes of Chile's game against Scotland. Very scary, though as Chile is playing wit only 3 defenders
     
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  4. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Chile were only ranked #118 due to inactivity; if you look at their points, they were good for #42. Even if they lost all their games, their ranking would jump massively just be becoming an 'active' team again.
    That said, I would not be surprised to see the jump "from #42" to #37 or something like that.
     
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  5. WPS_Movement

    WPS_Movement Member+

    Apr 9, 2008
    Here's the infamous Chile upset over Canada, the entire match.
    The match has no sound, but it's the original broadcast in terms of the video.

     
  6. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Herdman had their third stringer goal keeper in there(Laabe) Two teens manning the defense(16 year & 18 year olds Yekka & Buchanan) and brought even the younger newbie, the 15 year old Fleming in the 2nd half. I think Canada is trying to get them ready for next year's u17 & u20 wc's
     
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  7. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    #432 SiberianThunderT, Mar 12, 2014
    Last edited: Mar 12, 2014
    Alright, I'll still have to wait until the South American Games to have their next matchday for a full update, but now that Algarve and Cyprus are done with, I want to make make an estimate of ratings changes. I'll look at most of the top20, and some other interesting teams (like Chile).

    USA
    vsCAN: 30pt weighting, ~0.88 expected result, 0.85 actual result = -0.9pts
    vsRUS: 15pt weighting, ~0.95 expected result, 0.99 actual result = +0.6pts
    vsRUS: 15pt weighting, ~0.95 expected result, 0.99 actual result = +0.6pts
    vsJPN: 30pt weighting, ~0.71 expected result, 0.50 actual result = -6.3pts
    vsSWE: 30pt weighting, ~0.77 expected result, 0.15 actual result = -18.6pts
    vsDEN: 15pt weighting, ~0.869 expected result, 0.107 actual result = -11.4pts
    vsDPK: 30pt* weighting, ~0.80 expected result, 0.96 actual result = +4.8pts
    NET: -31.2pts --> ~2197
    *At the time of the match, I don't think England or Italy pipped N.Korea for 10th

    GER
    vsISL: 15pt weighting, ~0.87 expected result, 0.98 actual result = +1.65pts
    vsCHN: 15pt weighting, ~0.87 expected result, 0.85 actual result = -0.3pts
    vsNOR: 30pt weighting, ~0.741 expected result, 0.911 actual result = +5.1pts
    vsJPN: 30pt weighting, ~0.61 expected result, 0.96 actual result = +10.5pts
    NET: +16.95pts --> ~2173

    JPN
    vsUSA: 30pt weighting, ~0.29 expected result, 0.50 actual result = +6.3pts
    vsDEN: 15pt weighting, ~0.76 expected result, 0.85 actual result = +1.35pts
    vsSWE: 30pt weighting, ~0.55 expected result, 0.84 actual result = +8.7pts
    vsGER: 30pt weighting, ~0.39 expected result, 0.04 actual result = -10.5pts
    NET: +5.85pts --> 2077

    SWE
    vsDEN: 15pt weighting, ~0.70 expected result, 0.92 actual result = +3.3pts
    vsUSA: 30pt weighting, ~0.23 expected result, 0.85 actual result = +18.6pts
    vsJPN: 30pt weighting, ~0.45 expected result, 0.16 actual result = -8.7pts
    vsISL: 15pt weighting, ~0.77 expected result, 0.16 actual result = -9.15pts
    NET: +4.05pts --> 2025

    next: FRA, CAN, AUS, ENG, SCO
    (Note: despite SWE's win over the US, their estimated net gain isn't enough to overcome FRA's previous ranking, so taking into account FRA's Cyrpus win, SWE is still behind Les Blues. Their relation to BRA remains to be seen, though BRA 0-0 URU was an eye-opening result)
     
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  8. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    #433 SiberianThunderT, Mar 12, 2014
    Last edited: Mar 12, 2014
    FRA
    vsSWE: 30pt weighting, ~0.65 expected result, 0.96 actual result = +9.3pts
    vsSCO: 15pt weighting, ~0.80 expected result, 0.50 actual result = -4.5pts
    vsAUS: 30pt weighting, ~0.60 expected result, 0.83 actual result = +6.9pts
    vsNED: 15pt weighting, ~0.73 expected result, 0.96 actual result = +3.5pts
    vsENG: 30pt* weighting, ~0.62 expected result, 0.92 actual result = +9.0pts
    NET: +24.2pts --> 2051

    CAN
    vsSCO: 15pt weighting, ~0.71 expected result, 0.92 actual result = +3.2pts
    vsCHL: 15pt weighting, ~0.92 expected result, 0.15 actual result = -11.6pts
    vsBRA: 30pt weighting, ~0.28 expected result, 0.47 actual result = +5.7pts
    vsSCO: 15pt weighting, ~0.73 expected result, 0.85 actual result = +1.8pts
    vsUSA: 30pt weighting, ~0.12 expected result, 0.15 actual result = +0.9pts
    vsFIN: 15pt weighting, ~0.74 expected result, 0.96 actual result = +3.3pts
    vsITA: 15pt weighting, ~0.63 expected result, 0.911 actual result = +4.2pts
    vsENG: 30pt* weighting, ~0.55 expected result, 0.08 actual result = -14.2pts
    vsIRE: 15pt weighting, ~0.88 expected result, 0.84 actual result = -0.6pts
    NET: -7.3pts --> 1971

    AUS
    vsNED: 15pt weighting, ~0.63 expected result, 0.51 actual result = -1.8pts
    vsFRA: 30pt weighting, ~0.40 expected result, 0.17 actual result = -6.9pts
    vsSCO: 15pt weighting, ~0.69 expected result, 0.098 actual result = -8.9pts
    vsITA: 15pt weighting, ~0.58 expected result, 0.944 actual result = +5.5pts
    NET: -12.1pts --> 1945

    ENG
    vsNOR: 15pt weighting, ~0.46 expected result, 0.50 actual result = +0.6pts
    vsITA: 15pt weighting, ~0.57 expected result, 0.92 actual result = +5.3pts
    vsFIN: 15pt weighting, ~0.70 expected result, 0.96 actual result = +3.9pts
    vsCAN: 30pt* weighting, ~0.45 expected result, 0.92 actual result = +14.2pts
    vsFRA: 30pt* weighting, ~0.38 expected result, 0.08 actual result = -9.0pts
    NET: +13.8pts --> 1956

    SCO
    vsCAN: 15pt weighting, ~0.29 expected result, 0.08 actual result = -3.2pts
    vsBRA: 15pt weighting, ~0.23 expected result, 0.089 actual result = -2.1pts
    vsCHL: 15pt weighting, ~0.82 expected result, 0.18 actual result = -9.6pts
    vsCAN: 15pt weighting, ~0.27 expected result, 0.15 actual result = -1.8pts
    vsFIN: 15pt weighting, ~0.39 expected result, 0.089 actual result = -4.5pts
    vsFRA: 15pt weighting, ~0.20 expected result, 0.50 actual result = +4.5pts
    vsNED: 15pt weighting, ~0.41 expected result, 0.82 actual result = +6.2pts
    vsAUS: 15pt weighting, ~0.31 expected result, 0.902 actual result = +8.9pts
    vsKOR: 15pt weighting, ~0.49 expected result, 0.50 actual result = +0.2pts
    NET: -1.4pts --> 1819

    Of course, these are only estimates, but it looks like Australia drops out of the top 10 in favor of England, a switch that occurred on gameday 2 of the Cyprus Cup. (And because it was a switch, N.Korea still didn't drop out of the top10, so the calculation in my first post stands.) It doesn't look like there are any other order changes, though, despite mid-tournament shuffling.
    Later today: some combination of South American teams.

    =edit=
    I haven't calculated their numbers, but there's a possibility that NOR dropped out of the top10 after their loss to Russia. The ENG/AUS switch occurred right at 1950pts, though, and I don't think NOR had lost 23+ points just from the group stage. Of course, NOR may still be in 10th and just around 1930-1940pts instead - ITA has lost points, and while DEN may have gained points thanks to their upset of the USA, they were 100pts behind NOR, so they wouldn't have overcome that gap.
     
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  9. Romario'sgurl

    Romario'sgurl Member+

    Wakanda FC
    Aug 26, 2000
    Wakanda
    Club:
    FC Ingolstadt 04
    Nat'l Team:
    Ghana
    geez. why so many numbers? :p cliff notes, please!
     
  10. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    That's what the bolding is for. ;)
    Besides, this is a thread about the rankings, you should expect numbers here!
     
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  11. Gromit06

    Gromit06 Member+

    Oct 22, 2012
    Nice
    Club:
    Olympique de Marseille
    Well, it seems that if France wins its two games in USA in June (who knows ?), Germany could be #1 and France #3... :p
     
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  12. Romario'sgurl

    Romario'sgurl Member+

    Wakanda FC
    Aug 26, 2000
    Wakanda
    Club:
    FC Ingolstadt 04
    Nat'l Team:
    Ghana
    :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

    2015 can't here soon enough, that's all I have to say. :cool:
     
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  13. blissett

    blissett Member+

    Aug 20, 2011
    Italy
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Bravo, SiberianThunder!

    I like numbers. :)

    I am waiting for next FIFA rankings' update the check the accuracy of your predictions.
    By the way, when next FIFA rankings' update is due?
     
  14. Lusankya

    Lusankya Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 14, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    28.03 :)
     
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  15. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    haha X-D I cut a lot of corners while doing this with rounding and temporal order, so I expect to be a bit off - though unless I severely misunderstood something, I hope I be within 5pts or so of each real rating.
    And I obviously forgot to do my South American ranking last week... Will try to fit it in later today.
     
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  16. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Alright, now that ODESUR is over...
    All are 15pt weightings, so I'll drop that note for now. At least I think they're all 15pt weightings... ODESUR is not the Sudamerica Femenino, so I think it counts as a friendly tournament in terms of weighting. This is one place I could be WAY off in my predictions.

    BRA
    vsCHL: ~0.97 expected result, 0.92 actual result = -0.7pts
    vsSCO: ~0.86* expected result, 0.911 actual result = +0.8pts
    vsCAN: ~0.72 expected result, 0.47 actual result = -3.7pts
    vsCHL: ~0.96 expected result, 0.98 actual result = +0.3pts
    vsURU: ~0.98 expected result, 0.47 actual result = -7.7pts
    vsVEN: ~0.98 expected result, 0.98 actual result = 0pts
    vsCOL: ~0.90 expected result, 0.84 actual result = -0.9pts
    vsARG: ~0.91 expected result, 0.47 actual result = -6.7pts
    vsVEN: ~0.98 expected result, 0.92 actual result = -0.9pts
    NET: -19.5pts --> 2011
    *I forgot that include BRA's home field advantage when calculating SCO's points the other day

    ARG
    vsCHL: ~0.42 expected result, 0.15 actual result = -4.0pts
    vsBOL: ~0.89 expected result, 0.97 actual result = +1.2pts
    vsBRA: ~0.09 expected result, 0.47 actual result = +5.8pts
    vsCHL: ~0.43 expected result, 0.84 actual result = +6.2pts
    NET: +9.2pts --> 1618

    CHL
    vsBRA: ~0.03 expected result, 0.08 actual result = +0.7pts
    vsCAN: ~0.08 expected result, 0.85 actual result = +11.6pts
    vsSCO: ~0.18 expected result, 0.82 actual result = +9.6pts
    vsBRA: ~0.04 expected result, 0.02 actual result = -0.3pts
    vsARG: ~0.58 expected result, 0.85 actual result = +4.0pts
    vsBOL: ~0.92 expected result, 0.92 actual result = 0pts
    vsVEN: ~0.86 expected result, 0.47 actual result = -5.8pts
    vsARG: ~0.57 expected result, 0.16 actual result = -6.2pts
    NET: +13.6pts --> 1558
    ^CHL would have done MUCH better with the results they got, except that they hosted ODESUR, so that really knocks down their results.

    VEN
    vsCOL: ~0.14 expected result, 0.85 actual result = +10.6pts
    vsBRA: ~0.02 expected result, 0.02 actual result = 0pts
    vsURU: ~0.51 expected result, 0.97 actual result = +6.9pts
    vsCHL: ~0.14 expected result, 0.47 actual result = +4.9pts
    vsBRA: ~0.02 expected result, 0.08 actual result = +0.9pts
    NET: +23.3pts --> 1361
     
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  17. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    So right now, if I make really rough estimate of teams I haven't looked at, for the top-15-plus-some I'd have:

    1. USA (2197)
    2. GER (2173)
    3. JPN (2077)
    4. FRA (2051) - UP1
    5. SWE (2025) - UP1
    6. BRA (2011) - DN2
    7. CAN (1971)
    8*. ENG (1956) - UP~2
    8*. DPK (~1956? IDK) - UP~2
    10. NOR (~1956? likely less) - DN2
    11. AUS (1945) - DN2
    12. DEN (~1880) - UP1
    13. NED (~1870) - UP1
    14. ITA (~1860) - DN2
    15. ESP (~1850)
    CHN (~1840) - UP
    KOR (~1835) - ?
    NZL (~1820) - DN
    SCO (1819) - ?
     
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  18. blissett

    blissett Member+

    Aug 20, 2011
    Italy
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Well, it looks like there were some important changes. And Chile leapfrogs a lot of average-to-good teams (maybe more, should it happen that ODESUR is counted as official FIFA match and not just friendly).

    I can't wait to check that with official FIFA rankings on the 28th of March
     
  19. zaku_II

    zaku_II Member+

    Jan 29, 2012
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Chile won some spectacular games (like vs Olympics bronze medal and first time over Argentina) and played the finals of the two tournaments played. Having sayed that, the cold results show 8 games played, 4 won, 1 tied and 3 losed with 9 goals and 12 goals against.

    Those 13.6pts seems right. On the other side Venezuela with 2 wins, 1 draw and 2 defeats won +23.3 pts :eek:, and Brasil loosing -19.5pts (if they not won the games 5-0 they loose points :confused:) dont seems too fair for me.​
     
  20. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    For the records, most friendlies are official matches according to FIFA, they're just not weighted very much. This wasn't an "official" continental championship, though, (nor an Olympic games,) so unless FIFA is more lax about what a continental championship is I don't see the ODESUR matches being weighted more.
    Besides, Chile had a net loss of points in their ODESUR games - if those games are weighted more, Chile would probably be closer to a zero net change.
    Well, Brazil has a 400pt advantage over its closest CONMEBOL competition, and almost 800 over the weakest South American team. So I think it is fair to have such high expected results. It's not so incredibly different than what USA, GER, and JPN have to deal with, but those other three teams play against closer competition more often, so their expected results are more in the 0.8-0.9 range instead of the 0.9-1.0 range. The fact that BRA hosted their little December tournament also inflated their expected results for those matches. (And, actually, 2-goal wins are enough to meet an 0.9 expected result, which is a lot more reasonable than 5-goal wins.)

    Likewise, CHL's expected results were inflated for the ODESUR matches. They would have had smaller losses and larger gains for those four games had they been playing elsewhere, so I think the points changes shown are relatively fair. (Not to mention it's just easier in general to move lower down in the rankings, so VEN's points rise makes sense in that aspect as well.)
     
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  21. jonny63

    jonny63 Member+

    Feb 17, 2005
    Norway
    Germany close on USA as France hit all-time high

    The results of the two women’s tournaments traditionally held in the early part of the year, the Cyprus Cup and the Algarve Cup, have had a significant effect on the latest edition of the FIFA/Coca-Cola Women’s World Ranking.
    USA retained first place despite a lukewarm performance at the Algarve Cup, making it their sixth year at the top. However, Germany are getting closer and closer behind them in second, after taking the title in the Algarve following four convincing victories, including a 3-0 win over world champions Japan in the final. Just 24 points now separate the two teams at the top.
    England (8th, up 3) have also reaped the rewards of their strong performance in the Cyprus Cup, their run of wins to get to the decider helping them back up into the top ten.
    Also on the up are France, who after winning the Cyprus Cup have moved up to fourth – their best-ever position. That was at the expense of Brazil, who have also been overtaken by Sweden (5th, up 1) to drop to sixth, their worst placement since June 2007.
    The results of 142 matches were taken into account for the latest edition of the FIFA/Coca-Cola Women’s World Ranking.
    Alongside France (4th, up 1), three more teams have achieved their best-ever positions: Scotland (19th, up 1), Belgium (26th, up 1) and Chile (41st).
    Eight teams have re-entered the global ladder after a long period of inactivity (Argentina, Bolivia, Chile, Venezuela, Tunisia, Algeria, Egypt and Mali), while Guam, Dominica and Antigua and Barbuda are no longer ranked, which brings the total number of teams included to 122.

    http://www.fifa.com/worldranking/news/women/newsid=2304079/index.html
     
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  22. blissett

    blissett Member+

    Aug 20, 2011
    Italy
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    I really have to clap my hands and compliment SiberianThunder! :thumbsup: His prediction were impressivly accurate: for most of the teams that he calculated, he had the points right or he missed by just a single point. The teams that had a higher error weren't more that 2 or 3, if I am not wrong, and anyway he never missed by more than 10 points at max.

    Ok, if you have got the right algorithm, you should be expected to get the same results, but you anyway have to be good at calculations and at gathering complete and correct info. So I hereby publicly praise SiberianThunder as an official FIFA rankings' guru! :giggle:
     
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  23. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Thanks! ^.^

    I see the reason I was so 'off' on Sweden's prediction is that, despite harping on it in the NT threads, I didn't include the FRA-SWE friendly in SWE's games. I did include it in FRA's prediction, and you can see that game accounts for the ~9pts difference between my prediction for SWE and the actual ranking. Still not sure why I was 5pts off for BRA, though...
     
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  24. amerinorsk59

    amerinorsk59 Member

    Mar 9, 2007
    Chicago area
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    Norway
    Well done, SiberianThunder, indeed! You are practically the Nate Silver of Big Soccer! I am glad (for no other reason than pride) that Norway is still in top ten with their poor showing at Algarve Cup!
     
  25. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    AAHH I see where my mistake was with BRA now - I treated BRA-CAN as a regular friendly when it was a Top-Ten clash, so I should have doubled its worth, which adds ~4pts to BRA's drop in rating.
     
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