FA CUP THE Arsenal vs Sunderland 18 Sat

Discussion in 'Arsenal' started by ArsenalTexan3, Feb 16, 2012.

  1. antifan

    antifan Member+

    Aug 14, 2004
    The Scottie
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    AVB? A few months ago he was the whiz kid/golden boy/genius, and i'm sure many here would have welcomed him with open arms. Just goes to show that you can only manage the squad you have. No manager is going to come in and make Ramsey/Arteta/Song a world beating midfield.

    Wenger isn't a PROVEN manager? 3 PL trophies, 4 FA cups, 3 time PL manager of the year.
     
  2. tulorox17

    tulorox17 Member

    Aug 5, 2008
    Colorado
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Mourinho wants to come back to England. Just sayin'.
     
  3. KozIsCul

    KozIsCul Member+

    Feb 6, 2005
    There's a huge difference between a whiz kid and SAF. No so much as matter of talent or competence but status.
     
  4. Val1

    Val1 Member+

    Arsenal
    Mar 12, 2004
    MD's Eastern Shore
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    True that. I was initially impressed with Villas - Boas, but looking at Chelsea today, they are a team as rudderless as we are. They got taken to town by Birmingham. Out ran, out played for large stretches, it shows the danger of replacing a coach.

    Same as the inherent rewards of making the right change. Last year Sunderland was pretty dismal, and they've made the leap. Those guys were primed and motivated and played their butts off. And O Neill gets credit for that.
     
  5. darcgun

    darcgun Member+

    Jan 11, 2008
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    All of those players didn't cost much in relative terms. I think even Nasri cost as much as Henry did. Pires cost only 8 million, and Ljungberg only 3 million.
     
  6. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    By the standards of the time, Arsene spent quite a bit. The book Pay As You Play suggests that the Arsenal of 1998-2005 cost the third (or fourth) most of any team in England. It's post-Emirates that the spending has become almost zero.

    I wonder if Wenger's read Moneyball - it's uncanny how similar Wenger's approach seems to be to Billy Beane's: buy younger players, groom them, and hope they pan out, because you don't have the money to compete with the big boys.
     
  7. tulorox17

    tulorox17 Member

    Aug 5, 2008
    Colorado
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Billy Beane took a lot of his ideas running the A's from how Wenger was running Arsenal at the time. It's not a coincidence.
     
  8. KozIsCul

    KozIsCul Member+

    Feb 6, 2005
    It's hard to say exactly what the thought process is for a guy like Roman Abramovich but if anything resembling normality he's got to be wishing he still had Ancelotti.
     
  9. darcgun

    darcgun Member+

    Jan 11, 2008
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    can we defend? all is not lost, but that's a classic case of "those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones".
     
  10. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    a weird stat, we have only given up 3 goals off corner kicks this season which is tied for 2nd lowest in the league.


    I think the Mert/Kos pairing are good enough, but with Mert out I am very concerned about the defending.
     
  11. Publius

    Publius Member+

    May 22, 2001
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You're definitely not alone in seeing the comparison. The irony is that Beane is a Sp*rs supporter.
     
  12. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    but also a Wenger super fan.
     
  13. Jamooky

    Jamooky Member+

    Mar 24, 2006
    Cleveland, OH USA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Beane appears set to sign Manny Ramirez. Maybe Wenger will counter by trying to woo Ronaldo?
     
  14. JamesA

    JamesA Member+

    Dec 7, 2004
    Victoria
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    That's hardly revolutionary in football terms. The true pioneers of that strategy, such as busby, started it 60 plus years ago.


    Although I do agree with your sentiment about arsenals spending from about 10 years ago. Very different to now. But the biggest change though since then has been in terms of arsenals wage structure relative to other teams in the league.
     
  15. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Fair point - however, it's really, really hard to pull off, and it requires being a very capable evaluator of talent.
     
  16. Scally

    Scally Member+

    Aug 29, 2006
    Rep. of Ireland
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    Anyone else just feeling completely numb?
     
  17. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Yes. This has been a bad week.
     
  18. VAGunner74

    VAGunner74 Member

    Feb 27, 2010
    South Riding, VA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    He and the team stop caring halfway through last season. Since then everyone has just been cashing their paychecks. There is no fight, no desire, and no heart in this team at all. And it shows on the pitch.

    Today's loss is just another layer...how many more embarrassments do we need in a season for people to take notice? I wish I was as positive as some of you guys who think a top three finish is possible. Or even a fourth for that matter.
     
  19. VAGunner74

    VAGunner74 Member

    Feb 27, 2010
    South Riding, VA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Went numb a couple of months ago...maybe when that 8th goal went in. Now it's actually become laughable.
     
  20. The Angel

    The Angel Member

    May 24, 2009
    San Francisco
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Amazing how Arsene built this team up, then proceeded to undo all of his efforts. This is easily the worst squad of the Wenger era; definitely worse than the one he started with. The gulf in class between this squad and the invincibles is remarkable.
     
  21. gunner7

    gunner7 Member+

    Jul 27, 2008
    Sunshine California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Of course, they are all super quality and we do not need to sign anybody more ever!
     
  22. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

    Mar 9, 2000
    Bethesda, Md
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Join the club. it sucks though.
    Well there is always next season! :)
     
  23. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Arrigo Sacchi agrees with you.
     
  24. mad theory

    mad theory New Member

    May 10, 2004
    London
    To be fair the team isn't all that bad. The GK+Defence is as good as we've ever had it. The problem lies with the attack, the team is void of any creativity, passing ability and worst of all finishing quality(aside from RVP that is). It's understandable because we've lost some big players in that area through injury or to other clubs.

    Ramsey/Arteta/Gervinho/Oxlaid/Walcott/Rosicky at this point are no better than average squad players. If we could somehow get top players in their positions, we'd be sorted.
     
  25. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC

    Disagree - the defense isn't all that. Maybe it's the injuries, but this side looks like it concede at any time. The problem is that Wenger's teams have always been built this way - the team is built around keeping the ball. The problem is that this side isn't any good at keeping the ball - possession gets given away cheaply, time and again, and that leads to goals on the break. The goals allowed go down when the turnovers go down.

    Wenger needs to completely rebuild the midfield though -this is the worst Arsenal midfield in a very long time.
     

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