Every Sperm is Sacred: The Ongoing Birth Control Debate

So, what with Susan Komen, Santorum, Sandra Fluke, thought it'd be best to keep it in one thread.

To start, this is getting pathetic. Unfortunately, America is a country scared of sex, as Zappa once said.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/...ying-to-convince-my-16-y-o-she-is-not-a-slut-

You're not going to start a constructive thread with a dailykos link. I'm pro-choice and I still think it's garbage.

I have a hard time believing a 16 year old girl has no idea what a "slut" is. You'd have to be pretty damn sheltered.

I don't get the hatred of women angle. Contraception is against some people's religious beliefs, plain and simple. There are women that are against it, not just men. Are you suggesting women hate themselves?

As for the link, I have a 13 year old daughter that just started her period. There are girls in her school (a Catholic school, I should add) that are on the pill for various reasons, and none of them hide it. The story seems like more of a bullying issue.

In fairness, things like that can cause some internal strife for an individual. I saw it happen to quite a few people unfortunately in high school as well.

I don't know if there's ever really a way that a teenage girl publically intaking Birth Control inside of a high school would be seen any other way, Rush or no Rush. I just can't imagine that. I truly wish that it was different.

If they're scientists, it doesn't matter what gender they are. Being female does not grant you more knowledge of female anatomy.

Are a few of them wearing collars?

Here's the Link if the display is too small

In the US, that "some people" is something like 2%.

If Catholics in America believed the teachings of the church in this area, your argument might have some persuasive power. But they don't and it doesn't.

Since I am Catholic, I can tell you that although people agree with the teachings of the Church, they don't always follow them to a T. Can't say i ever heard any of them professing a hate of women.

that was hilarious

1. Do you think it's morally wrong to use artificial birth control?
2. If not, I submit that you don't count in this equation. You don't think the Obama administration's original position is an infringement on a religion.
3. If so, well, you're one of the 2% of a religion that makes up, IIRC, 1/4 of the American public. Being against birth control for religious reasons is a weird, fringe position in America, sort of like favoring polygamy.

I'm Catholic too, and I have. We had a member of "Priests For Life" preside over mass one day. To be fair. didn't hate all women. Just women who weren't fecund mothers. Some of the more conservative members of the Parish complained about him, especially his strange tirade about women wearing spandex in public. There's no doubt about it, there are some obvious strains of misogyny in the Church.

So who the hell are the Promise Keepers?

"hating women" might be a bit harsh, but there is certainly a severe lack of respect for women as equal human beings built into the church and its hierarchy. All big churches really - but as far as "respecting women" I see only a minor difference between Catholics, fundamental Christians (including Evangelicals) and fundamental Islamic groups.
The Christian ones let their women show their faces, so that's nice

What does that mean?

What is the difference between companies covering birth control and Insurance covering birth control?

I mean Insurance companies are not going to give it out for free right.

So are the Insurance companies going to pass the cost to all other companies? Or are they going to charge the Government for the extra expense?

If it is the first one, how come secular institutions have to subsidize religious institutions health care cost?

If it is the latter, then well that is normal I guess tax payer takes it in the ass for the cults benefits.

I agree and I have never supported any of what they proposed. They certainly don't stand for the majority.

The GOP really shot themselves in the foot with this one.

This much, I agree with. However, I don't see how this naturally should have become a part of a "war on women". It's perfectly sensible to not want a lifestyle choice to be government subsidized.

Health care companies are susbidized under the Affordable Care act, which also includes a private health insurance mandate. Tax dollars are going towards these subsidies, and middle-class people obviously have to pay for health insurance premiums. Those premiums now bump up because a woman wants this company to pay for her product. There are viable uses for the product beyond birth control, true. I haven't personally found them numerous or significant enough to warrant birth control as a "medicine". I don't have any problem with any woman or any man taking birth control, or viagra. I don't have any problem with any man or any woman having casual sex as much as they please. It's ridiculous for any government to have any imposition on that whatsoever.

But when you get down to it that is a lifestyle choice. I could not sustain any argument that helmets should be provided for free by health insurance companies for bike riders because it will save them money in the end. I don't see a denial of such coverage as an attack on bike riders. If you can't afford a helmet, don't ride a bike. If you can't afford emergency contraceptives, don't have sex.

Please let me know where the holes in my opinions are, I'm sure they're plentiful.