European Names In MLS. Yay or Nay?

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  1. Hachiko

    Hachiko The Akita on Big Soccer

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  2. Hachiko

    Hachiko The Akita on Big Soccer

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    FYP.
     
  3. Hachiko

    Hachiko The Akita on Big Soccer

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    Alta California? Former province of Mexico and New Spain?
     
  4. Hachiko

    Hachiko The Akita on Big Soccer

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    Or New Chelsea. Can't forget about the New Blues. Designed to drive the old blues away like BB King.
     
  5. Hachiko

    Hachiko The Akita on Big Soccer

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    He's from Chicago, buddy. Isn't it obvious?
     
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  6. Hachiko

    Hachiko The Akita on Big Soccer

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    Union rules or Confederate rules? One long debate with plenty of drinking, singing and darts, I would imagine.
     
  7. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

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    Dude, @Hachiko, learn to multi-quote.
     
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  8. Hachiko

    Hachiko The Akita on Big Soccer

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    Not a fan of long posts, Jason. Short and sweet for me.
     
  9. edwardgr

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    But its not short and sweet when you have 6-7 in a row, especially when you have a three line sig.
     
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  10. Hachiko

    Hachiko The Akita on Big Soccer

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    Easier to quote? Apologies, all. In any case, my point was made. Points were, I meant.
     
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  11. GunningforMLS1993

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    BTW, I follow soccer in Asia... where we have teams sometimes called "Power Plant Industry FC".
     
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  12. jamtime

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    #37 jamtime, Apr 7, 2014
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    But how many of these soccer teams that have copy cat names have managed to become big world wide brands? For instance, lets say MLS becomes one of the top leagues in the world. Is the name "Real Salt Lake" going to hurt jersey sales in Spain?
     
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  13. edwardgr

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    I will grant you that. It was much easier to multi-quote in the old system, that is one definite downgrade in Xenforo
     
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  14. Hachiko

    Hachiko The Akita on Big Soccer

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    Thanks Ed.
     
  15. jamtime

    jamtime Member

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    Yeah it was. And what the hell is Xenforo? Sounds like one of those pyramid scheme MLS jersey sponsors.
     
  16. Hachiko

    Hachiko The Akita on Big Soccer

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    It's the name of the Bulletin Board system BS has here.
     
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  17. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

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    Unless the names are Algonquin or Cherokee they are all European names.
     
  18. jamtime

    jamtime Member

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    true, but even native americans are immigrants. they just happened to be the first immigrants. We are all just africans. Maybe we need some african names
     
  19. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 5, 2004
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    The coolest team name ever is Hearts of Oak.


    Of course that is a Ghanian team with a European name. Europoseurs.
     
  20. bunge

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    I don't think the Chicago Fire would agree with your explanation....
     
  21. edwardgr

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    Hmmmm that is oddly under-representative of the 300 or so distinct native north american languages.
     
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  22. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

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    I think there are more than that but I hate long posts.
     
  23. MPNumber9

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    The difference there is that both French and Spanish language and culture have had a legitimate historical influence on the modern American English dialect. Words like "faux", "fiancé", “déjà vu” etc. are part of the English language that everyone knows and uses naturally. We have a legit claim on those words.

    The same can't really be said for the aspects of English/European soccer culture that various MLS franchises have tried to adopt. And it's not merely that they’ve been adopted in the first place--it's that these tropes have been adopted in a fashion that doesn't even make sense, failing to leverage the legit ties certain regions do have to Europe. Having been settled by the English, French, Spanish and Dutch (not to mention regions that were hubs of German and Italian immigration) several regions in the US have legit connections to Europe, yet still adopt chiefly English footballing conventions or just don’t apply any logic whatsoever when trying to foster some cultural connection (meanwhile, we also shrink away from our legitimate connection to Mexican/Central American football culture, which I complained about in the CUSA rebranding thread with the highly-Anglicized "LAFC" logos. LA, historically and presently, is about as un-English as you can get)

    For example, a team called "Real San Diego" or "Real Los Angeles" would connect the region to its Spanish origin and have the added benefit of appealing to the large populations of Spanish-speakers in both cities. "Real Salt Lake" has neither benefit and sounds, instead, like it was randomly chosen from a wheel of Euro footballing naming conventions like "FC", "United", "Sporting" etc.

    When you pull a name out of a hat without any regard for its actual historical context (“Real” has a very explicit meaning; ask a Madridista about it sometime) while at the same time ignoring your own regional/local history it comes across very poseurish. That’s, like the definition of poseur:

     
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  24. MLSFan10

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    Mar 23, 2014
    Why?

    That's like asking if rebranding Hull City to Hull Tigers will hurt its sales in America because it seems more American, isn't it?

    That said, I doubt people in Spain will ever be Salt Lake fans because its a tiny town out in the middle of nowhere that has virtually no cultural connection with Spain whatsoever. How many Real Betis fans does Ameirca have? Same thing.

    Spanish people will basically be LA, NY, or Miami fans I bet.
     
  25. FayMountaineer

    Jan 11, 2007
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    No matter what you name a team, someone is going to cry about it, I don't have a problem with any of the names in the league, past or present. ChivasUSA was the perfect name for what the owner was trying to do. Was it wise, the results say no. RSL, they have stated the reasons for choosing that name, and the market has embraced it. In the end the name doesn't matter after the first game is played, it's about how a team runs itself.
     
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