European Defender/Central Midfielder of The Year (Ballon'Dor Ranking)

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  1. Dearman

    Dearman Member

    Argentina
    Feb 24, 2010
    Bangkok, Thailand
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    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
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    Thailand
    I make a list of best defender and central midfielder of the year according to Ballon'Dor ranking. We know Ballon'Dor rating occasionally seems inaccurate but at least it is interesting to know its view. In this list, I comply player who at least got three votes. For central midfielder category, it is just base on my ranking in think link http://xtraimmortal.blogspot.com/2013/07/the-greatest-central-midfielders-of-all.html

    European Defender of The Year

    1956 Wright
    1957 Wright
    1958 Wright
    1959 None
    1960 None
    1961 Santamaria
    1962 Schnellinger
    1963 Schnellinger
    1964 Schnellinger
    1965 Facchetti
    1966 Moore
    1967 Gemmel
    1968 Facchetti
    1969 Shesternev
    1970 Shesternev
    1971 Beckenbauer
    1972 Beckenbauer
    1973 Beckenbauer
    1974 Beckenbauer
    1975 Beckenbauer
    1976 Beckenbauer
    1977 E.Hughes, Vogts
    1978 Krol
    1979 Krol
    1980 Kaltz
    1981 Chivadze
    1982 None
    1983 M.Olsen
    1984 Bossis
    1985 Briegel
    1986 Amoros
    1987 Hysen
    1988 Koeman
    1989 Baresi
    1990 Brehme
    1991 Belodedicci
    1992 Koeman
    1993 Baresi
    1994 Maldini
    1995 Maldini
    1996 Sammer
    1997 R.Carlos
    1998 Thuram
    1999 Stam
    2000 Nesta
    2001 Lizarazu
    2002 R.Carlos
    2003 Maldini
    2004 Carvalho
    2005 Maldini
    2006 Cannavaro
    2007 D.Alves
    2008 Vidic, S.Ramos
    2009 Vidic
    2010 Puyol
    2011 Abidal
    2012 S.Ramos
     

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  2. Dearman

    Dearman Member

    Argentina
    Feb 24, 2010
    Bangkok, Thailand
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Nat'l Team:
    Thailand
    European Central Midfielder of The Year

    1956 Bozsik
    1957 Edwards
    1958 Szymaniak
    1959 Szymaniak
    1960 Szymaniak
    1961 Hanappi, Masopust
    1962 Masopust
    1963 Trapattoni
    1964 Voronin
    1965 Voronin
    1966 Beckenbauer
    1967 Beckenbauer
    1968 Beckenbauer
    1969 Beckenbauer
    1970 Beckenbauer
    1971 Pirri
    1972 None
    1973 Bremner
    1974 Neeskens
    1975 Pirri
    1976 Bonhof
    1977 None
    1978 Haan
    1979 Breitner
    1980 Van Moer
    1981 Breitner
    1982 None
    1983 Robson
    1984 Tigana
    1985 Robson
    1986 Lerby
    1987 Robson
    1988 Rijkaard
    1989 Rijkaard
    1990 Matthaus
    1991 Matthaus
    1992 Rijkaard
    1993 None
    1994 Desailly
    1995 Desailly
    1996 Desailly
    1997 Deschamps
    1998 Davids
    1999 Keane
    2000 Mendieta
    2001 Effenberg
    2002 Ballack
    2003 None
    2004 Zagorakis
    2005 Lampard
    2006 Gattuso
    2007 Gerrard
    2008 Xavi
    2009 Xavi
    2010 Xavi
    2011 Xavi
    2012 Xavi

    Note : Beckenbauer played as both DF and DM in the first half 1960s but kicker rate him in world-class as midfielder and international-class as central defedner in 1966 and 1967.
     
  3. Dearman

    Dearman Member

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    I'd add offensive lateral list. Its categorization is base on this link http://xtraimmortal.blogspot.com/2013/07/the-greatest-offensive-laterals-of-all.html Generally, I define offensive lateral as a sub-winger but they must perform his game in the side more often than centre. Therefore, some players may occasionally conform to this category just depend on their role in each season.

    European Offensive Lateral of The Year

    1956 Matthews
    1957 Gento
    1958 Rahn
    1959 Gento
    1960 Gento
    1961 Gento
    1962 Jurion
    1963 None
    1964 Amancio
    1965 Corso
    1966 Bene
    1967 Johnstone
    1968 Dzajic
    1969 Best
    1970 Dzajic
    1971 Best
    1972 Keizer
    1973 None
    1974 Lato
    1975 Lorimer
    1976 Rensenbrink
    1977 Rensenbrink
    1978 Rensenbrink
    1979 Boniek
    1980 None
    1981 Boniek
    1982 Boniek
    1983 J.Olsen
    1984 Chalana
    1985 Boniek
    1986 Futre
    1987 Futre
    1988 Michel
    1989 Michel
    1990 None
    1991 Waddle
    1992 Haesler
    1993 Kostadinov
    1994 None
    1995 Overmars
    1996 Poborsky
    1997 Figo
    1998 R. De Boer
    1999 Beckham
    2000 Figo
    2001 Figo
    2002 Ronaldinho
    2003 Beckham
    2004 C.Ronaldo
    2005 Juninho
    2006 Ribery
    2007 C.Ronaldo
    2008 C.Ronaldo
    2009 C.Ronaldo
    2010 Robben
    2011 None
    2012 None
     
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  4. Gregoriak

    Gregoriak BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 27, 2002
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    1968 Dzajic over Best (when he won?)
     
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  5. Dearman

    Dearman Member

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    sorry I mistake !
     
  6. PuckVanHeel

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  7. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    Very interesting lists, mate
    Especially when those positions had the lower ratings through history.
     
  8. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    Good list in general

    However a few SPOTS checked:
    1- why no one in 59-60?
    2- since it's hard to go through all years from last few decades, I just gave some inputs on the years in bold (most recent)

    - 2005: Terry could have a shot behind Maldini (but Maldini is fine too)
    - 2008: This is EURO year, so neither Vidic nor Ramos deserved but PUYOL (best DF at euro08)
    -2010: Here Puyol was not the best, but MAICON
    - 2012: Must be Thiago Silva, but if you put Euro12 as weight, then PIQUE
     
  9. Once

    Once Member+

    Apr 16, 2011
    Isnt it surprising that for a player of his reputation and considering his achievements that season/year Gaetano Scirea would not have gotten 3 votes in 1982?
     
  10. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    because that season was DECIDED to give it to a player who only played <10games and scored 6goals in last 3games of WC82- WHOLE season 7goals/10games what a great achivement... so no wonder
     
  11. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

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    I understand that the lists provide by Dearman (based on Ballon d'Or) is tentative, much more considering that most of the names got few votes in their respective year.

    In those (most) cases, is debatable why not another player who doesn't make the list could be better than the one who make it.

    For example, Scirea or Tresor could make a good case in some years.
     
  12. Dearman

    Dearman Member

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    I made a list from this link http://www.rsssf.com/miscellaneous/europa-poy82.html

    In 1982, Scirea, Gerets and Pezzey got twice votes. I believe Ballon'Dor's voting is the most inaccuracy for defenders, most obvious in Scirea's case.
     
  13. Dearman

    Dearman Member

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    Feb 24, 2010
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    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
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    As I said, I didn't not name any defender who got less than three votes in Ballon'Dor.
     
  14. Dearman

    Dearman Member

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  15. PuckVanHeel

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    Why?

    Ok. You have him AM.

    Why is 1994 not given to Overmars as well?

    Anyway, nevermind.
     
  16. schwuppe

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    There is obiviously a problem with this approach where votes beyond a certain place just become meaningless when everybody just names five players.
     
  17. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    Oh so that's WHY ... (your list based on Ballon D'or rather than ... true situation, seasonal)
    I missed that condition!
     
  18. Dearman

    Dearman Member

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    Because defenders were usually gotten a few votes which is more difficult to make its accuracy.

    I see you may misunderstood that this list is belonged to me ? In 1994, Overmars was not nominated in Ballon'Dor.
     
  19. Dearman

    Dearman Member

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    I don't think so. You cannot just best at seeing voting lists and throw it into the garbage when you see nothing important in it but you can be better considering influential characteristic of voting in each period. Obviously, many players who was voted as the best player in their position are deserved that place likes Beckenbauer, Thuram, Krol and uncountable else.
     
  20. schwuppe

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    I guess you didn't understand my post.
    That's what I'm saying. In 1981 for example Chivadze was mentioned by ~10% of the voters.
     
  21. Dearman

    Dearman Member

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    Oh, OK I see. It is much different to vote for best defender and voting for best player with some best defenders in the list.
     
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  22. PuckVanHeel

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    You should move Didi to the AM category btw. Had zero defence.
     
  23. Dearman

    Dearman Member

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    Xavi is also a non-optional defensive player but he and Didi was based in central midfield area (Although Didi is considered as more AM in the mid-50s but his prime was performed as central midfielder in the late 1950s). I found that comparing between Xavi, Didi to Bozsik should be closer than comparing them to AM/Trequartista position likes Maradona, Zico, Francescoli, Zizinho, etc in the categorization of seven position since many central midfielders in the list also handle as a creative force. However, Didi is considered as playmaker in ten position categorization in this link http://xtraimmortal.blogspot.com/2012/12/top-100-greatest-positional-ranking.html.
     
  24. PuckVanHeel

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    It is your list but it seems to me that if someone like Schuster isn't an CM (but an AM in your list) that Didi is one too. I'd say that he was in the mid-50s a inside-forward.
    In comparison with Xavi (who had with his timing and pressing more defence btw) or Bozsik it seems to me that he was less of a CM.

    Just my 2c.
     
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  25. Dearman

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    Schuster's case is similar to Pirlo anyway. They did create the game in central midfield area several times but they are also very good at more advanced role (AM). Additionally, both were not only not great in defensive but also not possesses high level of strength and stamina especially if compare to Didi.

    I understand Didi should be considered in the same category as Schuster and Pirlo would be the best alternative but I'd say categorization is needed to set a line to separate between position. That's mean players who are overlapped the line in different side of position would be seen as an inaccuracy of categorization and this is generally unavoidable problem for limiting category in just seven positions (I set only seven position in the main lists to standardize the group of lists)
     

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