EU en busca de talento Mexicano en la Frontera

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  1. Monkeyboy2000

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    Good article from mediotiempo -

    http://www.mediotiempo.com/futbol/m...stados-unidos-talento-mexicano-de-la-frontera

    Interesting to note that only Monterrey pays for the education of kids in their youth system. Also, for all the vitriol sent toward Chivas USA and their intent to become more 'Mexican', it's also noteworthy that more of these 'frontera' teams are becoming more Mexican -



  2. Rebaño_Sagrado

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    That has to be one of the biggest piece of shit articles ever written.

    From the get-go the author is begging the question and its obvious. That the Galaxy, Chivas USA and other MLS-tied academies have pochos and other latinos on their teams doesn't mean the USSF is scouring frontier cities like TJ, Nogales etc for talent. That one goalkeeper didn't make the cut in Mexico but got accepted to a USSF academy, somehow means Mexico is not doing a thorough job or offering opportunities to great talents is also ridicolous.

    This is a list of teams in the USSDA (nads academy system). http://academy.demosphere.com/
    It lists the names and nationalities of players in the academy system. Many of them have spanish surnames (POCHOS - mexi pochos, salvie pochos ..etc). They were all found in the US. The article mentions the GK tried out. And, was picked out of 300+ players. Attending a tryout, is very different from the nads hitting sunday leagues trying to find that diamond in the rough. Which is what the article writer contends.

    And, I'm not even going to discuss if the academy system is any good. (The majority of the coaches are part of the gringo setup. Mostly High School, some college if any and 6th division english turds. If you are lucky, your coach played in Mexico segunda or tercera.)

    The pochos and other nationalities playing in the USSDA are there because they won't cut it in Mexico. There has been many of them who have tried. (I know of a few players, the latest an Argie who went to Monterrey sub-20 and is now in Chivas USA sub18/sub19 because he wasn't good enough, that have not been able to make the cut for one reason or another.)

    Many players who venture south and do make it to a primera A or segunda team were never on US Soccer's radar. And they won't be until they make it to a first division team like Xolos, Pachuca etc., and debut. Gringos pendejos....y pendejos los que se coman la mierda de ese articulo.

    PS. They try to make their system sound so great. The USSDA is older than the Liga MX youth development program, sub20 and sub17 leagues. They're progressing so well they can't even qualify to youth tournaments.
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    yeah, what's that stupid ass brazilian name they gave to the us youth academy and us system for recruiting youth, bradenton? brandinho? ******** it i dunno, just remember a lot of people blaming that system for the problems the us has had in producing talent, particularly after not making it to the olympics debacle. it sounds like some nba, nfl style way of recruiting players through the college game, but that's just a unique thing to american sports culture, and one that aint been showing much for ussf youth progress [​IMG]
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    I got excited when it said EU because it implies "EUropa". "EEUU" implies Estados Unidos.
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    I think it was Bradenton. For a lot of the stuff they say they are doing, the proof will be in the pudding. The U-20 tourney is coming up in a few days, we'll see where this US team ends up - with their half-Mexican team.
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    sorry, I should have said EEUU.
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    The truth is there is a handful of soccer geniuses, I do mean geniuses, playing in the local ghetto leagues. Between the ages of 6-12. But, thanks to the shitty futbol, correr como pendejo y patear el balon como pendejo, their talent goes to waste if not spoiled due to shitty coaches and training.
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    wont really matter if half their squad is martian, like rebaño said, shitty coaching will = shitty players
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    This^^^ I see it too often in tournaments.
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    man I forget what tourney it was, but I believe it was one of the past U-20 when we were told the Bradenton project was finally going to bear fruit. That this was the most talented US U-20 side, with the most professionals, etc. And in the end they got creamed. It again looked like a college side with zero creativity. I think Tomas Rongen was the coach.
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    what ? no faith in Ramos? But he's South American, he must know something :)
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    The pudding is already there ell jr. http://www.ussoccer.com/teams/youth/us-under17-men/residency.aspx

    The program is 14 years old and they have done jack shit at the international level. Their claims to fame is housing jozy, bradley, adu and various rejects.

    Many spazzos believe their problems will go away because of the academy. They believe their baby nads are on par with the rest of the world until age 14. When the rest of the worlds players are training full time and their kids only 2 or3 times a week. Althought the ussda changed this. Mls academy teams train 3 days with one day of gym work. This addresses their problem partially. The real problem is they are picking too many piano movers because they are selected by former piano movers. The piano players are getting dumped after certain point because they can't afford to pay fees, coach is not keeping them interested and other distractions. Even under the academy curriculum the piano movers are only getting about 12 hours of training a week. If you subscribe to the 10,000 hour theory, the time of practice it takes to become an expert, it would take over 15 years to reach those hours and level of expertise. This is ok when you start an early age, but you are behind if your curriculum is started at this intensity at 14 you are way behind.

    So um Bradenton is a piece of shit program. Instead of closing it they replicated most of it with Reynas ideas at som mls clubs. The nads are trying but they haven't a clue what works and compadrismo is worse than in Mexico.
    Hecho en Chivas repped this.
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    Who is the best Mexican-American player that has started playing in the US? I can´t think of one that is good enough to even make the national team.

    I really doubt any consistent talent creation can take place in the US since the system just relies on high school and club sports. These two systems can never compete with a professional teams´ youth systems that have a real economic incentive to create talent. Lets be honest here, college is a wonderful incentive for young athletes, but if you are 18 or 19 and heading off to play college football because of a scholarship, then you are not good enough for the pros.
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    completely agree with you. think in a future maybe Ocegueda, Guido or Luis Gil could be shifted to play with mexico, i don't think of anyone else.

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