España vs CHILE, 10 septiembre en Ginebra (Amistoso) [R]

A mi tampoco me gusta Junior ahora, pero me gustaba como jugaba en la U. Si cambia de liga y juega bien que lo llamen.

 

Aplica a cualquiera que rinda en un torneo competitivo.

Hasta del jugador que menos me gusta podría cambiar de opinión si cumple buenas campañas en un campeonato serio de Europa o Brasil, Argentina y México en un equipo que valga la pena, no Querétaro.

 

Pucha que es mal jugador Marcelo Díaz.

 

Hoy día no se vio mucho para ser honestos.

Por ahora recuerda esto: Díaz juega en un equipito de una liga inexistente. Si jugase en un torneo en serio a buen nivel, eso sería otra historia.

Y un bonus: el tipo es un malaclase.

 

So I guess I jinxed it, dammit. I am upset that we tied, it feels like a loss because the win was so close, and deservedly so.

Does anyone know the possession stats? The game seemed like a game of taking turns with the ball. Chile pressured immensely. Isla, Medel, Vidal and Mena were fantastic. Vargas phenomenal. Bravo was the weakest looking player, it seems he gets nervous vs Spain each time we play them. Hopefully the Champions helps with his abilities and confidence. Francisco Silva was pretty active when he was subbed in.

Like everyone else said, I think this game falls in the hands of the coach. Our players were dead the last 10-15 minutes of the game, while they had literally half of their team fresh in the 2nd.

I read in EMOL today that we might be cabeza de serie if we continue to win our games. Hopefully that happens so we don't have to be stuck in a group with Spain or Brazil like always.

Como dice Vidal, este equipo esta para ilucionarse.... Is great to see Chile play so good again.

 

Rafa Benitez should call back Edu Vargas in Napoli. Anyway, the defence of Chile closed very well the spaces and tiki-taka doesn't worked at high standard.

 

The other day in fact PrensaFútbol ran an article that said Rafa wants him at Napoli.

 

An ESPN journalist (I think it was Vito De Palma) mentioned a couple of months ago that FIFA was considering a new seeding system, like the one you came across on EMOL.

I haven't read anything official about this, so I think that it is just speculation.

If and/or when we qualify, we will have to face the reality that we'll get put in a group with a European heavyweight.

 

http://www.cooperativa.cl/noticias/...ico-empate-ante-espana/2013-09-10/165656.html

España (2): Víctor Valdés (58' Pepe Reina); Alvaro Arbeloa, Raúl Albiol, Sergio Ramos (58' Nacho), Nacho Monreal; Javi García (78' Koke), Xavi (46' Andrés Iniesta), Cesc Fábregas (46' Jesús NavaS), Santi Cazorla; Pedro y Roberto Soldado (65' Alvaro Negredo). DT: Vicente del Bosque.

Chile (2): Claudio Bravo; Gonzalo Jara, Gary Medel, Marcos González; Mauricio Isla, Arturo Vidal, Eugenio Mena, Marcelo Díaz, David Pizarro (46' Francisco Silva); Eduardo Vargas (85' Jean Beausejour) y Alexis Sánchez (92' Junior Fernandes). DT: Jorge Sampaoli.

Goles: 0-1: 5'; Eduardo Vargas, 1-1: 37'; Roberto Soldado, 1-2: 44'; Eduardo Vargas y 2-2: 91'; Jesús Navas.

Tarjetas amarillas: 42' Cesc Fábregas y 71' Santi Cazorla. 66' Arturo Vidal.

Arbitro: Adrien Jaccottet (SUI)

Stade de Genève en Ginebra, Suiza.

 

I hope we get put with 2 european giants, because first, I believe most of them are over rated.
Secondly, I believe that we have a top team that doesn`t get the credit of being one, and the only way to prove whom we are, is by defeating those suposedly superior to us.
And at last, if we get eliminated, I prefer to get eliminated by the best and not by some other crappy team.

 

Asi es estimado Rickdog. La hora de achicarse ya paso. Ahora, a todo equipo "grande" europeo, hay que jugarle de tu a tu. Todavia le queda mucho al equipo por aprender lo que significa ser un peso pesado en el mundo del futbol, y creo que nos tomara un poco de tiempo acostumbrarnos a los hinchas, pero ya somos otro. Nadie puede dejar de tomar nuestro equipo enserio, o sera su ruina.

 

Bueno, a lo que es los españoles, aun siendo los actuales monarcas a ellos les gusta enfrentarnos cuantas veces puedan, pues saben que ante ellos, no nos achicamos y los vamos a enfrentar casi de tu a tu, sin importarnos que al final ellos igual nos ganen, pues saben que de ganar igual será muy laboriosa para ellos, y de esta forma ellos aprenden. A los españoles, en general les apesta jugar con otros equipos, pues estos habitualmente, se meten todos atrás y a lo mucho les juegan al puro contragolpe ocasional, cediéndoles toda la iniciativa a ellos y así juegan casi el 90 % de sus partidos, y por ello no les sirve de casi nada y se les hace terriblemente monótono.
Con Chile, esto no sucede.


Lo único malo de esto, es que nos vamos a hacer la imagen de ser uno de los mejores "sparrings". Pero si esto significa que veamos a nuestra selección siempre enfrentados con "de lo mejorcito" que hay en el mundo, por mí, bienvenido sea y quizás en el tiempo podamos nosotros obtener algo más, que nos permita soñar con cosas mayores, como quizás algún día obtener ese máximo logro posible, que es sin duda, el obtener un Campeonato Mundial.

 

No sé para qué piden equipos grandes en el grupo, como si Chile les ganara habitualmente. Es más bien todo lo contrario, una vez a las quinientas se logra.

Las probabilidades disminuyen de la forma que juega Chile: exclusivamente al ataque. Que yo recuerde, cuando equipos del nivel de Chile, es decir, que están lejos de ser potencias, dan sorpresas del tipo voltearse a un Brasil, España, Alemania, lo hacen jugando de chico a grande, con grandes resguardos en defensa y concentración los 90 minutos.

Chile está destinado al casi-casi con las tácticas Bielsistas. Al final igual se impondrá una Argentina, Alemania porque tratamos de jugar como ellos, pero sin el talento individual de ellos.

Yo pido un grupo tipo el que tuvo Vendehumo en Sudáfrica.

 

No sé que partidos has visto tu, pero las muy contadas y pocas veces que les hemos ganado a uno de esos grandes, ha sido todo lo contrario. Se ha ganado por actitud de ganar (incluso asumiendo riesgos de tipo suicida) y no por ser extremadamente defensivo. (no digo que sea lo mejor para todo partido, pero hay veces que debe hacerse o si no siempre serás uno más del montón).
Con respecto a Alemania, las únicas veces que les hemos ganado, fué en la decada de lo 60's, en que teníamos otro Chile, al que tenemos hoy, uno extremadamente defensivo, donde nuestros mejores jugadores estaban atrás, partiendo por "el gran Elías". Si hoy tuviéramos un jugador de sus características, seríamos campeones mundiales.

Viste lo que dijo Don Vicente tras el término de este partido :
http://www.latercera.com/noticia/de...io-por-la-presion-adelantada-que-no-nos.shtml

 

Yo no estoy casado con ningún sistema, pero para mi hay que jugar de acuerdo a las fortalezas del equipo.

El dia que tengamos dos defensas centrales en las grandes ligas Europeas entonces consideraria probar un fútbol mas cauto. Hoy a Chile le conviene jugar presionando las salidas y con vertigo para aprovechar la velocidad y el dinamismo de nuestros jugadores.

 

Totalmente de acuerdo.

Aparte que en lo personal a mi me parece un poco más balanceado lo que propone Sampaoli, en comparación a Bielsa. Hay un poquitín más de pausa en vez de ir siempre "gung-ho" 100%.

En este momento Chile tiene que seguir jugando a lo que le favorece y en base a los jugadores disponibles, lo mejor que puede hacer la Selección es buscar el arco rival porque como dices posteador, los jugadores para plantearse defensivamente en este momento prácticamente no existe en el medio chileno.

 

I was just being realistic. The chances of Chile facing off against a European heavyweight in the group stage are high. That is all I said.

For what it's worth, I think that Chile can perform well against European rivals for the main reason that European teams over there don't play against teams that press as aggressively as Chile. This is advantageous for Sampaoli.

Chile's style is proactive and geared to press. It is perfectly suited for the group phase because this is where teams have a little margin for error and can take risks. Collecting points is the objective in order to get out of the group.

Where this team has some upside (room for improvement) is closing out games. The evidence is in the match against Spain. The first half was excellent. But Sampaoli has to show us that he can make decisive changes in the last 20 minutes to secure the result. For me, this is where he will succeed or fail. This is where he'll earn his pay-check. I already know that this team can win matches for points in a league format, like we are currently doing in the qualifiers.

The 'switch' is vital in the knock-out phases. If, somehow, we are up 1-0 against Brazil, for example, in the 2nd round of the world cup with 20 minutes left to play, what changes does Sampaoli make? For me, this is unknown territory for Chile at the moment.

In other words, if we want to prove our worth by beating those arguably superior to us, as you've said, then we need to know how to play measured football for the remaining 20 minutes of every tight encounter.

 

Agreed with this.

I think the answer is not too different to what we saw against Spain... Sampaoli changed to a back 3 and moved Isla forward and Jean on the other side with two wingbacks in a 3-5-2 formation which is better suited for counter-attacks and fighting for possession in midfield. This is how we want to defend, not bunkering in a 4-4-2 because our defenders (except Marcos) are midgets.

There were 3 points that need checking in the 3-5-2:

1) Isla was not cautious enough and was caught out of position (a reason why he is benched in Juventus for Litchsteiner who is more cautious and has better defensive awareness, he only attacks when he can, not all the time!), he had a cracking match in general, specially as a fullback in the 4-3-3 role, but he dropped the ball in the end when he was pushed higher up as a wingback in a 3-5-2. This is something he needs to work on to succeed in the 3-5-2, luckily he will get to practice it at Juve since they use the same formation. Also, sometimes when he has a better angle, he should really be selfish and take a shot, he had a chance against Venezuela and Spain...

2) Silva in, instead of Aranguiz (or even Carmona if you want to be a bit more defensive). For me Silva is a poor man's Aranguiz, I don't know if Sampaoli is still angry with him or he was disappointed with his performance against Venezuela (he wasn't that great then) but at his best, Aranguiz is superior in every way to Silva (except stamina). He can't play 90 minutes I'll give you that, but he will give the opposition 60 minutes of hell as he is himself a poor man's Vidal. Aranguiz has the stamina to defend and cover the pitch as well as the technique to deliver key passes and and score goals. He is the perfect partner in crime for Vidal. Alternatively, if you think Vidal is enough to link midfield with attack in the middle of the pitch then you can play it safe with Carmona, who CAN run 90 minutes and cover for Vidal's runs. He also covers spaces like no one else can (maybe Iturra). Silva is a sort of a lukewarm verison of Carmona and Aranguiz, can do a bit of both but not good enough against top opposition, he can't defend as well as Carmona or attack as well as Aranguiz. He's just in there to make up the numbers.

3) The MAIN problem was Alexis. He had a brilliant pressing game in the fist half and forced Spain into many mistakes, but in the second half he was dead and his change came waaaay too late ('93!). He was getting tired by the 60min mark! Was failing in that key role to link-up the midfield with Vargas (who was also not as mobile). He was tired physically and mentally as he kept making the wrong decisions and was quickly dispossessed time and time again. We NEED to keep some danger in the opposing area or our opponents will continue to grow in confidence. He recently said in an interview how much more running he has to do for Chile compared to Barça, where they calmly tiki-taka their way up the pitch as opposed to Chile's constant running. Vargas also didn't help towards the end and his lack of games showed. Needs more playing time! ALSO on this same point... instead of Junior I would prefer someone with a bit more brain and skill like Matias, he can play that link-up role just fine (did it for Colo-Colo when Valdivia was still there and also for Sporting against Man City!), he isn't as fast as Junior or Alexis, but he is smarter and makes up with skill. He is very hard to disposes when coming in fresh from the bench against tired legs, but most important of all, he has a fantastic shot and can score goals!

 

Actually, ignore my first paragraph, for some reason I thought we had changed to a back 3 because I thought Jean had come in for Mena, but he came in as a winger . Trying to sit a bit deeper in a 3-5-2 with Jean coming in for Mena (who was also tired) is not a terrible idea and leaving Alexis or Matias as a link-up, plus a striker of your choice is something we should try sometime.

My 3 points still stand though, actually scratch that, looking back on that last goal, I remove my criticism for Isla since he was beat because he was pressing Spain's passing out of defence, not attacking! That last goal was very funny now that I look at it again and Isla is no more to blame than a whole bunch of players, check it out!

The Spanish player who gets behind Isla, who was it? Koke? Got behind and threw a very difficult low cross behind Medel, got caught by Pedro who managed to get away from Marcos and just about managed to cross it inside, Bravo was no more than half a meter away from intercepting, to Navas, who just about managed to beat Mena for the goal. It was a very low percentage shot that somehow, comically, managed from its inception to get away from 1) Isla 2) Medel 3) Marcos 4) Bravo 5) Mena... in that order... very unlucky.

I think more than worrying about that cross is that we failed to kill Spain off when we were 2-1, Alexis had a header and another chance were it was easier to combine with Vargas than being selfish and try and get one for himself. That is what is frustrating about Sanchez, he builds-up excellent plays, gets in the right positions, but his last decision is not always the best.

 

En el partido del otro día, Alexis buscó desesperadamente el lucimiento personal toda vez que estaba jugando ante España, el actúa en esa liga y lo han criticado bastante. La intención era silenciar a los críticos.

Al menos eso noté yo, puedo estar equivocado.

 

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Se noto demasiado, después del 2-1 empezó a buscar 'su' gol. Por mucho que sea un partido amistoso tiene que sacarse la cabeza del culo y saber como cerrar los partidos.

Yo lo hubiera sacado al minuto 60' por Matias.