England U-17 Discussions Thread #3 (2007 born)

Discussion in 'England' started by england66, Jul 8, 2011.

  1. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    It's just goal difference.
     
  2. Juni

    Juni Member+

    Nov 26, 2010
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Quick check of the regs suggests goal difference is first.
     
  3. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    I've just checked and found this actually.

    6.09 If two or more teams are equal on points on completion of the group
    matches, the following criteria are applied to determine the rankings:
    a) Higher number of points obtained in the group matches played among the teams in question.
    b) Superior goal difference resulting from the group matches played among
    the teams in question.
    c) Higher number of goals scored in the group matches played among the
    teams in question.
    d) If, after having applied criteria a) to c), two teams still have an equal
    ranking, criteria a) to c) are reapplied to determine the final ranking of the
    two teams. If this procedure does not lead to a decision, criteria e) and f)
    apply.
    e) Results of all group matches:
    1. Superior goal difference.
    2. Higher number of goals scored.
    f) Drawing of lots.
     
  4. SirWellingtonSilva

    May 30, 2011
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    so did jebb, graham, akpom, bennet, and swift all play poorly? or was it a system failiure?
     
  5. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    System failure partly but Georgia worked very hard pressing the ball. Midfield ended up too deep for too long to help create things further forward too. I still can't believe why we were putting the ball wide so much and so quickly. We were doing this in other games before Chambers was even called up so it's not as if we can entirely blame it on the situation today.
     
  6. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    Ukraine are leading against Spain now. Crazy group.
     
  7. The Guardian

    The Guardian Member+

    Jul 31, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Presumably a draw would be best there for us.
     
  8. zXen

    zXen Member

    Oct 16, 2008
    England
    Spain have equalised...
     
  9. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    Both teams have missed penalties in this half :eek::D
     
  10. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    Ukraine take the lead.
     
  11. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    Spain score straight from the kick off I assume 2-2.
     
  12. zXen

    zXen Member

    Oct 16, 2008
    England
    Was short lived
     
  13. Juni

    Juni Member+

    Nov 26, 2010
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Finishes 2-2

    Georgia 4
    England 3
    Spain 2
    Ukraine 1

    Same requirements as posted on the last page then.
     
  14. The Guardian

    The Guardian Member+

    Jul 31, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    That should do then? Can't be long to go now.
     
  15. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    2-2 at full time then. If I'm correct Ukraine are now out?
     
  16. zXen

    zXen Member

    Oct 16, 2008
    England
    Yeah Ukraine are now out.
     
  17. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    That might be a problem then. I guess Ukraine needing a win against Georgia would be a problem too though because Georgia do alot of sitting deep and countering.
     
  18. Juni

    Juni Member+

    Nov 26, 2010
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Ukraine NOT out actually. If they beat Georgia and England draw with Spain we're left with Georgia, England and Ukraine all on 4 points. GD will be 0 for England, no better than 0 for Georgia and no worse than 0 for Ukraine. Assuming it's 1-0 Ukraine then it's down to Goals For but only involving the teams in question, so exclude Spain, and it's here I get lost without writing it all down :D
     
  19. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    :D At least it's going to be exciting.
     
  20. The Guardian

    The Guardian Member+

    Jul 31, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    If that game is a draw (quite likely I'd have thought) and we beat Spain (a possibility it would seem) we are through aren't we?
     
  21. Juni

    Juni Member+

    Nov 26, 2010
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    The following all assumes England/Spain draw and Ukraine beat Georgia.

    All of the criteria used to separate teams only take into account results against eachother, so you exclude what happens against Spain. In the event three teams end up on 4 points it'll mean everyone has drawn against Spain, and once you remove goal difference from all of that, it means England are potentially screwed.

    If Ukraine beat Georgia 1-0 I can't see any scenario that doesn't require drawing lots.

    If Ukraine beat Georgia by any other scoreline they qualify.

    This is obviously at the most complicated end of things :D
     
  22. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    Yes.
     
  23. timh19

    timh19 Member+

    Jul 26, 2011
    Afobe is 19. I said you wrote him off at 16/17. So 19 minus 16/17 is 2-3 years ago so yes what I said is more than one year. I guess you did not write him off immediately when you saw him at 15. So maybe at 16. Anyway, after all these nonsense responses you still did not answer my question - how could you give up on him at such a young age when he was scoring so many goals at all levels ?

    You see Olivier Giroud for example is making it big now at 24/25. Drogba was a late bloomer. He made it at 23/24. There is a long long way to go. Very few make it big at 17/18/19 like Wilshere,Chamberlain,Fabregas,Messi,etc.
     
  24. The Guardian

    The Guardian Member+

    Jul 31, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    It's called making a ********ing judgement call!!!

    But yes do stop the nonsense replies. There's a good little fella.
     
  25. timh19

    timh19 Member+

    Jul 26, 2011
    Well, your judgement is not good at all in this case. You will see it in the next few years.

    If you are really an Arsenal fan, you should only get excited because he is one of our top 3 prospects. You have to support him. Dont be so negative.
     

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