End of collective bargaining/other anti-union measures plus reactions ...

How about just increasing property tax until no one can afford to own a home?

 

What industry?

 

Aviation.

 

Pilots?

 

lol good one.

it's a good argument, and many left-libertarians make that same argument; but like all arguments, it depends on your audience. If you're trying to convince conservatives, the more "typical" libertarian, and anyone else right-of-center, that RTW laws are restrictions on freedom, you're going to have a tough time saying "it's not fair to the unions that an individual keeps more of his or her money."

 

Do you have any stats that back this up? Im not disputing this because i dont know enough about it to, but i would love to see some stats for this.

 

look how these liberal unionist gang up and try to assault this poor journalist, trying to have an honest discussion on what they're protesting about...



unions are the real parasites

They're the reason why North America has lost its industrial base.
They're also the reason why a lot of young people can't get jobs in the manufacturing sector, because of all the protection measures they've set up, to prevent younger workers to come replace them.

 

Link?

 

Mechanics. Pilots are worse.

Both work groups have limited employment opportunities. If a pilot or mechanic works for 5 years and builds a skill set they should be able to market themselves as such. The industry is built on seniority and an experienced worker starts at the bottom of the pile if he changes jobs. Union or non-union. Do you support collusion by employers that locks employees in like this?

 

Can you prove collusion? If you can, take them to court.

Do you approve of union practices that keep older workers working when younger workers are told there is no work?

 

I mentioned this a few pages back. Unions are required to represent workers that chose not to join their organization. They also negotiate wages and work rules that benefit those that choose not to participate. What do Libertarians think about laws that require unions to provide services without charge to workers that choose to keep their money rather than pay for those services?

 

Tell them it's a condition of employment. if you want to have a union, you have to do things you don't want to do, just like everyone else. Why do you think unions should be given special advantages?

 

I don't know if anyone has tried. What do you call a system that bases pay and benefits on seniority that is used by all employers in an industry?

Employers put 10's to 100's of thousands of dollars into training for pilots. I would think that a potential employee with that kind of training is worth more than the one that you have to put that money in to. The industry disagrees.

In my industry that is the practice at union and non-union employers.

I think that is one way of cutting employees. I'm not sure it's the best or worst way. What is a better way? If you have a workforce of 5,000 or so that do the same job and you lay off 500, how do you decide which ones are "the best"?

 

Except that it isn't.

I think that if unions are required to represent people they should be paid for what they do. If RTW means that unions do not have to represent employees in a group that they represent that choose not to participate then you have a point. They did not change that part of the law.

 

OK. Sorry to come to the discussion late. Small point of contention but that is Steven Crowder. I wouldn't call him a journalist. If he is, he is in the same vein of journalism as James E. O'Keefe (the ACORN/Prostitution video) and Michael Moore.



carry on.

 

I would agree with you if people were asking them for representation. Instead, we have a situation where the workers are told they are going to be represented regardless of whether they want it or not, and their pay has the fee deducted.

 

If you want to see America's economic future look at retail little unionization, it's perfect, a paradise.

You don't know your hours a week in advance, so you can never plan anything outside of work. Because your life = your job. LOL trips or friends

Your hours can vary from 30 (because full time is to expensive) to 10. Perfect for paying for things like.........monthly payments with that big $200 check.

Saturday? Whats that? Nights? Evenings? 11 PM then 7 AM clopening shifts are ideal. Hey you had 8 hours off. Well really 7.5, you had to clean for half an hour. Then take the bus home, then eat (because you can't eat at work) So lets make it 6 or so. Good luck falling asleep. Just take a pill, if you have insurance to buy them. Otherwise use Nyquil

Thanksgiving? Working. Any religious holiday other then Christmas? Good luck with that. July 4th? Working. Labor day? Working. Sunday? Probably working.

Don't like it? Complain? Overqualified? Tough. Starve to death or beg. Another crop graduates from high school in June.

 

I feel like I need to make an addendum. I don't approve what happened to the guy. Journalist gather facts, report on both sides and and present and unbiased report. Steve Crowder is someone who comes in with the an agenda, create leading questions and provokes people (not a positive thought provoking way).

It didn't need to happen at all.

Carry on... Again

 

So they can go work somewhere else if they don't like it. Problem solved. Yay freedom.

 

The idea that mechanics should work 20 hour days with only 6 hours rest in between is chilling - unless we're talking surge ops in a war zone.

 

Unless you are a member of the skilled trades. Work is difficult to find if you are a plumber, electrician, carpenter. Or autoworker.

 

That is law and they are still represented after the RTW laws are passed. The unions just can't force them to pay for the representation. If they are free to refuse the union isn't it logical that the union shouldn't be legally required to represent them? If so, why isn't that included in RTW laws?

 

I would agree with the union being able to refuse representation for people that don't want to pay for it. Looks like all the money the unions donated to their Democratic reps went for naught.

 

The place my father worked was non-union. They paid approximately the union wage, paid attention to safety (they were very afraid of "the OSHA man"), gave out free turkeys at Thanksgiving and had a big crawfish boil or picnic every spring. When it was time to vote on having a union, management's motto was "vote no and save your dough" (union dues). Worked every time. They also hired college age children of employees to fill in during the summer months, so I got to experience the love for 3 summers - and make a shitload of money.