End of collective bargaining/other anti-union measures plus reactions ...

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by purojogo, Feb 16, 2011.

  1. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

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    Until they get replaced by


    May I take your order?
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    Maybe it can be the new Chicago FIRE DP
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  2. stanger

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    $10 lunch at McDonalds?
     
  3. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

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    That would save Obamacare some money if people can't afford to eat that shit (my self included)
     
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  4. That Phat Hat

    That Phat Hat Member+

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    I doubt it. McDonald meals are overpriced in relation to labor costs anyway. Since they deal in volume, they will have to keep prices down. Plus, investment in retail employees have generally benefitted employers.
     
  5. JBigjake

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    Nov 16, 2003
    Don't disagree, but do you have an analysis that supports this? In reality, many illegal aliens are already being paid $10/hr. They are part of the underground economy, where small business owners & contractors dodge their own taxes, aided by a public hiding its own income & assets. How many restauant owners have a second cash register, not wired into their computer system, for cash ring-ups by off-the books waiters & bartenders? How many home improvement contractors forget about permits & taxes, when the homeowner pays in cash, that he doesn't want to report & have taxed? The contractor pays $80 per day cash to laborers & reports nothing to the IRS. That's $10 per hour. If the businesman pays $15 per hour on-the-books, the worker takes home about $11, and the boss has to match the social security contribution & pay for unemployment & worker's comp insurance, as well as report & pay taxes on his own income.
     
  6. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
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    Most of these patriotic, non-taxpaying 'Mericans vote Republican too.
     
  7. ceezmad

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    What I though the Democratic Party had the Illegal immigrant vote in the bag?
     
  8. JBigjake

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    Nov 16, 2003
    Illegal immigrant employees, perhaps. But their employers are Republicans.
     
  9. That Phat Hat

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    I don't - it's more like a thought-through guess.

    Fast food kitchens are ridiculously assembly-lined. Their size allows them to control the supply chains and keep food costs low. Soda and fries, for which they charge hefty premiums for super-sizing, are practically free. The volume a typical fast food restaurant serves is ridiculous and much more impervious to weather and seasonality than other retail businesses.

    Granted, there are factors that justify high markups, but for a hamburger-fries-soda combo that likely costs less than a dollar in components, $6+ for a meal combo seems pretty steep.
     
  10. dapip

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    http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/12/03/1270541/corporate-profits-wages-record/

     
  11. That Phat Hat

    That Phat Hat Member+

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    This piece is about retail in general, but it could apply to fast food as well:

    Paying retail workers little better can make a huge difference
    Now, the macroeconomic argument is pretty straightforward:
    But the second part of the argument is less so:

    America's transition from a nation that makes to one that serves is probably irreversible. We have to be less stupid about how we employ people in the service industries.
     
  12. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

    Feb 12, 2005
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    Let's end the Makers/Takers society and change it to the new and improved Servers/Served model.
     
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  13. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

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    We can all service each other in a big circle J#$%
     
  14. dapip

    dapip Member+

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  15. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

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    I didn't know The Onion was around back then.
     
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  16. The Jitty Slitter

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    I find this 'progressive thinking' about unions quite ironic really.

    I mean one only needs to go back to 18th century Britain to grasp these ideas.

    Its almost as if history is destined to be forgotten and mistakes repeated over and over again.
     
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  17. Funkfoot

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    It's hard to believe that ever existed.
     
  18. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
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    I know. And until 50-60 years ago the Republicans were the party favored by black people. How quickly things change.
     
  19. dapip

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    Krugman should win another Nobel Prize for pointing out obvious things. Or maybe they are not so obvious.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/10/opinion/krugman-robots-and-robber-barons.html

     
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  20. JohnR

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    Jun 23, 2000
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    Despite the well-documented, obvious failure of trickle down -- corporate profits up, corporate wages flat, the top 1% making a bundle, the other 99% not so much -- the GOP is still pushing trickle down.

    Pretty amazing that Mitt Romney got 48% of the vote, given that he went to battle with an economic plan that serves only a small minority.
     
  21. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

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    It's even more amazing that two dumbshits and a former head of the CIA *won* with with that plan!
     
  22. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Eh, we didn't know when Reagan ran for election. It's possible there was something to this supply-side whizbangery. I mean, there wasn't much evidence, so this was mostly an economists' debate. And maybe there even was something to the argument, a bit. Ronnie rode a rising tide but perhaps the tax cuts helped.

    Which accounts for Daddy Bush's re-election as well as Reagan's.

    Since then, though, there's been no defensible economic reason for the masses to vote Republican.
     
  23. crazypete13

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    But that doesn't really change that Reagan was a dummy and he won with that plan.
     
  24. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
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    Biden ain't no rock scientist either.
     
  25. dapip

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