If it wasn't for Villareal, Valencia and Montero would not even sniff europe. My dad's best friend for more than 50 years and is ecuadorian said years ago, That an ECUADORIANS greatest Talent is the "ABILITY TO FORGET".. I guess you proved that saying true!
Yeah, because trying to defend Villareal for bringing Ecuadorians footballers to Europe is real ********ing NEGATIVE!!!
if it wasn't for villarreal? LOL Villarreal isn't, never did, and never will do sh*t for Valencia and Montero. Both of those players are successful in their respective leagues in OTHER teams that are not Villarreal because of their own merits, not Villarreal's. All Villarreal ever did was be an obstacle. Like right now with Montero trying to drag him to help bring that POS back into primera division. I'm happy as ever that Renato Ibarra said hell no to Villarreal and went to Vitesse. Had he gone to Villarreal I wonder where the freakin hell he'd be right now. Definitely not in the position he is now.
Whatever, NOONE. not one club from Europe came looking for Valencia or Montero in Ecuador. PERIOD! Not Wigan, nor Manchester United, Not Betis, Not Levante. I doubt any of their scouts even knows where Ecuador is Located on a Map. If it wasn't For Villareal, Valencia would be selling Cocadas on the side just to make ends meat and Jefferson Montero would be in the Corner Yelling MOROCHO! MOROCHO!! or he would end up like Oña. Yeah, Inter Milan my ass. Remind me who the central defender is who was suppose to go to Inter Milan? Villareal even came looking for Fernando Guerrero to give him another shot. Name one European club that has come to Ecuador and actually taken footballers? Becareful what you wish for. Soon you'll have NOONE! I don't know!!! Call me Crazy. maybe Manchester United or Betis? ROTFLMAO...
Actually, I do recall Felix Borja, Ulises de la Cruz, Jaime Ivan Kaviedes, Cristian Noboa, Geovanny Espinoza, Edison Mendez, Felipe Caicedo, Renato Ibarra, Jose Valencia, and even freakin Cleber Chala all going to a European league straight from Ecuador. Some of them without even having a debut in first division or barely having 6 months of experience in it. Felix Borja, Tin Delgado, Kaviedes, and Chala all failed in Europe but the rest of them didn't.
I don't think Borja failed in Europe per se....He did some interesting stuff at Olympiakos and then in Germany he had a few good years before getting shipped off. But that's just my take on it. In terms of hype, I consider Kaviedes the epic fail of life. He's never been on a team for more than a year since his stint with Emelec prior to the transfer to Perugia. Just shameful. Full of indisciplina, lack of professionalism, etc...Just a trainwreck Lindsay Lohan style. Tin failed because of injuries but definitely showed potential after scoring on Arsenal, but regrettably the decision to get injected before every game of the 02 World Cup significantly hurt the potential of his Euro career. I don't think anyone expected Chala to do well, LOL. I think he was there to make sure Tin adapted faster.
Ibarra termina la temporada con gol Con gol ecuatoriano, el Vitesse ganó y clasificó a la Europa Lague http://www.futbolecuador.com/stories/publica/28209
I think Borja failed because of injuries as well. He didn't do bad while he was at Mainz. From what i remember he was scoring a lot of goals there until he got injured then his career went down hill at Mainz til he left. But IMO, it's a fail because he could never make a comeback when the team was back in the Bundesliga. Elkin Soto has been there since around the same time as Borja and stuck through 2nd division, promotion, and everything and never got shipped off. If i compare both of them, i look at Borja as a failure. and now he's benched at Pachuca lol that's failing times ten.
http://eredivisielive.nl/video/61037-samenvatting-vitesse---rkc-waalwijk.html here's like a ten minute video of Renato Ibarra with highlights of the game where you can see his goal, quality is awesome. Towards the end of this video, it looks like he was playing as an attacking center mid. This kid plays anywhere!
That's what I've been saying about Ibarra! That kid has huevos..he'll play anywhere and can be effective in the attack, and his defense is nowhere near as speculative as Guerron
http://blogs.mediotiempo.com/fut-al-horno/2012/05/20/¿fidel-martinez-cerca-de-pumas/ fidel martinez is rumored to pumas unam, this is actually from couple days ago. Today they mentioned he is set to arrive to mexico city soon
im done believing the ecua press about his bs. Anytime a player is rumored to go to Europe that means MEXICO. Unless we know that the player is a crack- Jeff Montero, Valencia, Ibarra type players.
Deportivo Quito confirmed that Fidel Martinez is going to Tijuana today (its a done deal). And that Luis Checa has offers from San Luis and Jaguares. smh...and by the end of the year i bet Enner Valencia and Fernando Gaibor end up there too. And that's not even a joke, Fleitas said last week that mexican teams have shown interest in both of those players. This is REALLY getting annoying. oh and i almost forgot, David Quiroz has to go to Atlante by the end of the year. For those who don't know, David Quiroz is only at Liga on loan from Atlante only for this year.
Fleitas also said that no player from Emelec will be sold at least until after the season is over in December. Money has a way of changing things so we'll see. If a European team shows serious interest and makes a good offer for either one of them, I'll have no problem with them leaving and trying their luck across the pond. If its a Mexican team, I'd rather they stay.
Martinez to Tijuana??!! And Benfica, lol. Damn man...the kid has more quality than for Tijuana...no offense to their team, but he'll rot there. Hopefully his performances get him a move to a bigger team.
What is getting annoying? Weren't you the one bitching and moaning about VILLAREAL of SPAIN coming and taking your footballers to Europe? Now, you are bitching and moaning about your Footballers going to Mexico? I told you when you were complaining about VILLAREAL. Be careful for what you wish for!!! There you have it. You got your wish.. All the promesas that can probably excel at second tier european league are now going to be ducking from BALAZOS in mexico..
Bro theres a difference between not wanting our players go to a certain TEAM , and not wanting our players going to a Certain LEAGUE . lol
What people fail to realized is that Villareal is or should I say was a "Stepping Stone" to Europe. You do know what a stepping stone is? Well people will say How about Vitesse? How in the hell do people know that Vitesse's interest in Ibarra wasn't fueled by the interest of Villareal since Villareal was there first? If I'm a scout, you bet your ass I'm going to see what other clubs are up to and sniff around. And looking at Villareal records of Ecua Footballers " Valencia and Montero". You must be an moron to ignore their scouting. Some people are too dumb to see the bigger picture. Look at what happened to Fidel martinez! Pumas of mexico was interested and out of nowhere like a fart in the wind, 4 clubs came in and he went to some dog the bounty hunter club.
I got to go with AF on this one,but you know its about the money with these teams and their representatives.I think Ecua players should think twice about going to teams that are in problem narco areas ,especially TIJUANA!not to mention that the owners of Xolos are in the dubious enterprise of "casinos"(money laundering,anyone).I would have rather see him at Pumas or Pachuca,but who cares about whats best for fidel,they got their money..
yeah, i said VILLAREAL. You don't neccessarily have to go to Villareal to succeed in Europe. And going to that team had Valencia and Montero seeing nothing but bench. I bet Villarreal was dying of envy and crying when they found out Valencia was transfering to Manchester. They f*cked up by not giving him a shot and giving him away to another club. Teams like Betis, Levante, and Vitesse because they are the REAL stepping stone for our players. Theres no point in going to a team that doesnt really have the intention of giving you an opportunity. Like I said, where would Renato Ibarra be if he chose to go to Villarreal? Answer that question. Definitely not playing Europa League like he will in the coming season and for sure not getting a single minute of playing time. Oh yeah, and his team would be relegated to second division. This coming season he'll be able to showcase his talent in a European tournament and hopefully draw interest from one of the top three leagues.
They didn't ******** up anything! They made their MONEY!!! Do you actually think Villareal gives shit what happens to a player after they sell them or what they are worth in the future? Who the ******** lives like that? Obviously You are no Business MAN.. You think they are crying over Riquleme? LOL.. So far you have proven to be completely wrong. Valencia, Montero and Ibarra all them have one thing in common....VILLAREAL.. get over it. Because you have your wish. They are not coming and neither is any other European Clubs. so be content on all your players going to Mexico. Fidel Martinez, Gaibor, Enner, and now even Pedro Velasco are all going to Mexico.. I already did! Manchester United or Betis..LMAO Yeah Sure. If one thing every European knows is that in the Dutch league. They don't play any defense. Their god is Ronald Koeman for the love of God. Luis Suarez, romario, Ronaldo etc.. scored a million goals a season there. Renato Ibarra needs to show 1000x times more than he's been showing to get noticed. Now, if you think going from Vitesse to some Middle club in Spain or Russia is an improvement. its all up for discussion.
Well, I think Villarreal's model as a club is now showing clear results. It's a FAIL. A club that was in the Champions League semifinals a few years ago, playing next season in 2nd division. Their model is: Buy lots of young players from Latin America, put them through the junior divisions, loan them out if they don't get playing time, then sell the ones that don't have a future with the squad, and keep the few that show promise. In the majority of cases, this results in buying low and selling lower. Unlike cracks like Jefferson Montero and Antonio Valencia, most players that go on loan don't succeed. Where is Jozy Altidore these days? Then Villarreal is stuck paying salaries to a bunch of players that are not wanted by any team. That's a recipe for losing money, and now they can't even afford to assemble a competitive first team. Greed is bad. Sorry AF, but you are wrong again. The most important team to play for to get noticed in Europe is the National Team. It's well known that Valencia was scouted by Paul Jewell of Wigan when he played in the 2006 World Cup. He just happened to be playing (at Recreativo not Villarreal) at the time. Montero has been an international since the Panamerican Games and Vizuete gave him plenty of exposure during his tenure. Both of these guys were teenage sensations and were going to Europe anyway - if anything, Villarreal was unable to notice their talent staring them right in the face, and sent them off where they could easily have failed - but they didn't. Their success is in spite of Villarreal, not because of it. Why do you think Montero is trying to get transferred to Betis? And why does Valencia never mention his time at Villarreal? If Villarreal is such a great launching pad for European success, Montero would be dying to get back there, and Valencia would mention Villarreal instead of Wigan and El Nacional when he talks about his early days. Let's take a club like Wigan as an opposite example. They have barely any money and few fans, but they have been consistently staying in the Premier League every year. The reason is they have great management that finds good, young, cheap players from small countries, and they support them and develop them so that they can perform to their potential. Then those that turn out to be really good they sell for a nice profit. They use that money to do the same thing - it doesn't work with every player, but it only needs to work with a few players to keep the model successful.