Dynamo Stadium -- Design discussion II (capacity, roof, stands, stage, etc.)

equus · Jul 13, 2007

3D Models - Part Two

Some of you mentioned maybe seeing an HDC or Toyota Park design based on AEG's architects. I found a 3D model of the Home Depot Center that the Blue Marble Project created for Google Earth. I went into SketchUp and modified the textures to give the stadium a Dynamo look and feel.

I placed the model directly into the footprint of the downtown area where it was said they are looking at. It looks like it would be a very tight fit at the same size as HDC. The model in H-town in the images below has the exact same dimensions as the one in Carson.

There would be much more airflow and more of an open feeling (and better views of the downtown) with this design over the previous one I posted.

Map view with downtown landmarks
City view
3/4 overhead view
Overhead view of field (with Dynamo badge mowed into the center circle)
A view of the upper deck on one side
A view under the roof from concourse level
Dynamo Stadium signage
At field level looking up and end with suites and scoreboard
A view from your seat

Net_Minder · Jul 14, 2007

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SergentOrange said: ↑

Once again, tell me the finalized location and I can make sure some precision munitions level the area to help speed up the process . WOW do I wish.
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onecrazykraca said: ↑

But u have to remember this will by DOWNTOWN....alot slower building
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Craig Waibel will have the stadium ready by next season.

Orange1836 · Jul 14, 2007

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equus said: ↑

3D Models - Part Two

Some of you mentioned maybe seeing an HDC or Toyota Park design based on AEG's architects. I found a 3D model of the Home Depot Center that the Blue Marble Project created for Google Earth. I went into SketchUp and modified the textures to give the stadium a Dynamo look and feel.

I placed the model directly into the footprint of the downtown area where it was said they are looking at. It looks like it would be a very tight fit at the same size as HDC. The model in H-town in the images below has the exact same dimensions as the one in Carson.

There would be much more airflow and more of an open feeling (and better views of the downtown) with this design over the previous one I posted.

Map view with downtown landmarks
City view
3/4 overhead view
Overhead view of field (with Dynamo badge mowed into the center circle)
A view of the upper deck on one side
A view under the roof from concourse level
Dynamo Stadium signage
At field level looking up and end with suites and scoreboard
A view from your seat

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wow, wow, wow, and wow.
gimme.

DonJuego · Jul 14, 2007

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troutseth said: ↑

I think you have to have a melding of the two designs. the issue with the Toronto design is that while you will have a breeze, you will be sitting in the direct 90 degree sun. I like the roof, with a little more open area for air flow
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I think your right. But we are talking roofs like the ones at other MLS SSS. Nothing like the pictures in this thread. More like Colorado's park.

DonJuego · Jul 14, 2007

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equus said: ↑

3D Models - Part Two

Some of you mentioned maybe seeing an HDC or Toyota Park design based on AEG's architects. I found a 3D model of the Home Depot Center that the Blue Marble Project created for Google Earth. I went into SketchUp and modified the textures to give the stadium a Dynamo look and feel.

I placed the model directly into the footprint of the downtown area where it was said they are looking at. It looks like it would be a very tight fit at the same size as HDC. The model in H-town in the images below has the exact same dimensions as the one in Carson.

There would be much more airflow and more of an open feeling (and better views of the downtown) with this design over the previous one I posted.

Map view with downtown landmarks
City view
3/4 overhead view
Overhead view of field (with Dynamo badge mowed into the center circle)
A view of the upper deck on one side
A view under the roof from concourse level
Dynamo Stadium signage
At field level looking up and end with suites and scoreboard
A view from your seat

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Its not oriented with the prevailing southernly winds.

Too much stuff on the ends blocking that wind if it was oriented correctly.

equus · Jul 14, 2007

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DonJuego said: ↑

Its not oriented with the prevailing southernly winds.

Too much stuff on the ends blocking that wind if it was oriented correctly.
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I'm not sure of the wind patterns around there, but where I placed was the only way it would fit in the footprint of the parking lot/block available. And even then it would be right against the street, unless they used a block on either side.

In the dog days of summer, how is the wind down there anyway? I know in Kentucky during that time it's hot, humid and very little wind to speak of. And if is blowing, it's from the south so it's a hot wind anyway.

As for me, I'd rather have some roof than none at all. Shade helps a little.

60-90 Days · Jul 14, 2007

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equus said: ↑

I'm not sure of the wind patterns around there, but where I placed was the only way it would fit in the footprint of the parking lot/block available. And even then it would be right against the street, unless they used a block on either side.
As for me, I'd rather have some roof than none at all. Shade helps a little.
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This was my main point earlier. i won't beat a dead horse here, but I think that lot and the fact that it has to face North South makes it a bad place. IF we aren't careful, we might end up with a miniature stadium like MMP. The seats will be so small that only Nicole Richie and any other walking skeleton skanks will fit in them. Big boned guys like me and Bandido won't like those seats.

equus · Jul 14, 2007

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atpag96 said: ↑

This was my main point earlier. i won't beat a dead horse here, but I think that lot and the fact that it has to face North South makes it a bad place. IF we aren't careful, we might end up with a miniature stadium like MMP. The seats will be so small that only Nicole Richie and any other walking skeleton skanks will fit in them. Big boned guys like me and Bandido won't like those seats.
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HDC stands:

That's a pretty flat seating angle. Perhaps if you make the stands steeper than HDC they could reduce the footprint to fit in that area to face East/West (or at a 45 degree angle like was suggested), yet still have the full seating capacity they're looking for. It would also be great to have them steeper (more noise going toward the field, better sightlines.)

The pitch itself in that model is 107 x 82. I just don't see how they can fit it in there with the necessary infrastructure without using a similar footprint to MMP (means using that block to the right on the Map view with downtown landmarks.)

anderson · Jul 14, 2007

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The Dynamo stadium will also likely have about 5,000 fewer seats than the HDC.

60-90 Days · Jul 14, 2007

Re: Dynamo Downtown Stadium -- Design discussion (capacity, roof, stands, stage, etc.)

equus said: ↑

HDC stands:

That's a pretty flat seating angle. Perhaps if you make the stands steeper than HDC they could reduce the footprint to fit in that area to face East/West (or at a 45 degree angle like was suggested), yet still have the full seating capacity they're looking for. It would also be great to have them steeper (more noise going toward the field, better sightlines.)

The pitch itself in that model is 107 x 82. I just don't see how they can fit it in there with the necessary infrastructure without using a similar footprint to MMP (means using that block to the right on the Map view with downtown landmarks.)
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steeper grade on the seats would definitely save room. good idea.

Veruca · Jul 14, 2007

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atpag96 said: ↑

steeper grade on the seats would definitely save room. good idea.
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But not too steep, in MMP I feel like they're too steep. Maybe I'm a grandpa, but the steps in MMP make me dizzy.

Maybe not a big deal when it's only 1 deck, and maybe I should just suck it up.

But do what it takes to have it downtown & expandable.

60-90 Days · Jul 14, 2007

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Veruca said: ↑

But not too steep, in MMP I feel like they're too steep. Maybe I'm a grandpa, but the steps in MMP make me dizzy.
Maybe not a big deal when it's only 1 deck, and maybe I should just suck it up.
But do what it takes to have it downtown & expandable.
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I am right there with you on this one. If you are on the 6th row in the 400's, dude, you are getting a work out. We did the 10 for $20 thing again this year and we asked them for front row for my wife. We have 6th row last year and she said there was no way she and that big belly were going up to that row again.

troutseth · Jul 15, 2007

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DonJuego said: ↑

I think your right. But we are talking roofs like the ones at other MLS SSS. Nothing like the pictures in this thread. More like Colorado's park.
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I actually went to the Dynamo game there. the rook needs to extend a little further out over the seats, but essentially it is a good design. That stadium is awesome by the way.

brahmafutbol · Jul 15, 2007

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I was thinking last night about a roof, and two things occurred to me... one, though I keep saying I like HDC and the roof they have, I don't think it would do much to keep fans dry. I think that's an important thing to consider in Houston, where pretty much every game they've played has had rain threaten and attendance hurt by that threat. If fans new they would stay dry during a game, I think you would get more people to the games, at least more of the casual fans who might later become hard-core.

And two, I always look at the guys in the east stands, the ones facing into the sun, and think those guys need some shade. The same thing at PHP. But it would take a lot of roof to shade those seats, since the sun is going down in the evening and would probably be below the roof line over those seats anyway. Of course, maybe a high roof on the west side would block the sun. And it's not bad for long, depending on the start time. I remember the first game last year, those stands were full well before the start of the game and those buys baked. Now it seems people have learned, and those seats don't start to fill until after kick off.

Just a couple of things I thought about while I was mowing yesterday evening (I have a lot of time to think, it's a big yard ).

Trae · Jul 15, 2007

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equus said: ↑

Based on what I've read so far in this thread, I made some rough mockups of what a stadium might look like there using SketchUp and Google Earth. The stadium has a roof but open areas for airflow, and upper and lower decks on three sides. Approx. 20K-22K capacity.

Larger images:
http://www.rrac.net/dynamo1.jpg
http://www.rrac.net/dynamo2.jpg
http://www.rrac.net/dynamo3.jpg
http://www.rrac.net/dynamo4.jpg
http://www.rrac.net/dynamo5.jpg
http://www.rrac.net/dynamo6.jpg
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I want a view of Downtown Houston. Let's have an opening facing Downtown. Have seats there, but not not two-decks.

futbolitico87 · Jul 17, 2007

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I believe that a stadium has to have the space and levelness to upohold events even if their not soccer but not too stage like. We must remember that a stadium has to show a unique design that blows the sock of the other SSS's in the MLS. So in my opinion its imperative that a stadium in this city has view of the city, weather proof, and have a imposing design. I hope that this SSS of the Houston Dynamo has the brand of a reowend stadia.

THE ORANGE FAN

equus · Jul 17, 2007

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I found this stadium last night. Swansea City, Football League One.

Ground Name: Liberty Stadium
Capacity: 20,500 (all seated)

Cost: £27m ($54m USD)

Granted, I bet land in Swansea is much more reasonable than downtown Houston, but that's pretty awesome for $54m.

OrangeCajun · Jul 17, 2007

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Elevate the roof about 5 feet from the structure to allow a breeze to flow from outside, and it's perfect.

The Prophet · Jul 17, 2007

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OrangeCajun said: ↑

Elevate the roof about 5 feet from the structure to allow a breeze to flow from outside, and it's perfect.
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were are the press box? and club houses?

anderson · Jul 17, 2007

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rickker20 said: ↑

were are the press box? and club houses?
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They don't need press boxes. Everyone in England already knows everything about soccer.

Offebacher · Jul 20, 2007

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A bit large for us as it is supposed to fit 50K, but rather nice anyway.

I like the "The People's Club" bit as well.

schwabe13 · Jul 20, 2007

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anderson said: ↑

They don't need press boxes. Everyone in England already knows everything about soccer.
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and : they re-invented the wheel !

Offebacher · Jul 20, 2007

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This from Chron today:

Research visit

The Dynamo are looking at Dick's Sporting Goods Park, home to the Colorado Rapids and the latest soccer-specific venue to host the MLS All-Star Game, as the model for a stadium in Houston.

"A lot of the features that Dick's Sporting Goods Park has are things that I think would make a lot of sense in Houston," said Dynamo president Oliver Luck, who was present at the game and had visited the facility before.
A proposed stadium in Houston is estimated to cost $70 million to $80 million.

brahmafutbol · Jul 20, 2007

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Offebacher said: ↑

This from Chron today:

Research visit

The Dynamo are looking at Dick's Sporting Goods Park, home to the Colorado Rapids and the latest soccer-specific venue to host the MLS All-Star Game, as the model for a stadium in Houston.

"A lot of the features that Dick's Sporting Goods Park has are things that I think would make a lot of sense in Houston," said Dynamo president Oliver Luck, who was present at the game and had visited the facility before.
A proposed stadium in Houston is estimated to cost $70 million to $80 million.
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I read that this morning, and the first thing I was thinking was "like what, Oliver???" If I were the reporter doing the interview, I would have asked for details.

onecrazykraca · Jul 20, 2007

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brahmafutbol said: ↑

I read that this morning, and the first thing I was thinking was "like what, Oliver???" If I were the reporter doing the interview, I would have asked for details.
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It better be updated and bigger!!