Do You Think MLS Will Ever Pass One Of The Big 3 American Sports?

Discussion in 'Soccer in the USA' started by jquintero10, Jan 14, 2012.

  1. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Basket is now 4th, well tied for 3rd we could say

    http://eleconomista.com.mx/infografias/aguilas-america/2012/02/17/aficion-futbol-soccer-mexico
     
  2. m1150

    m1150 New Member

    Mar 3, 2007
    The difference between MLS and the NFL and NBA, if not MLB, is that it can't, or doesn't, mess with the rules of the game to try to gain more market share.

    The NFL regularly tweaks its rules to encourage offense, because that's what sells. It also makes changes for the benefit of the TV networks, like reducing the time between plays to keep the game as close to 3 hours as possible. The NBA has added things like the shot clock, the 3-point line and the half-court in-bounds after a timeout. The NHL eliminated tie games and the two-line pass rule.

    The MLS has decided that it's better off appealing to the segment of American sports fans who want an "authentic" soccer experience than trying to win over the masses by "Americanizing" the game, having failed at that early in the league's history. That may be a smart business decision, but it means its ambition is probably not to overtake baseball, football or basketball.
     
  3. morange92

    morange92 Member+

    Jan 30, 2012
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    revitalized brazilian soccer?? when did brazilian soccer ever die/collapse? im pretty sure they've been as high as #1/#2 like 4 years ago, and haven't been ranked in the double digits for as long as i can remember (haven't looked it up)
     
  4. morange92

    morange92 Member+

    Jan 30, 2012
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    well i don't neccesarily agree (honestly there's been more controversy regarding the recent nfl rule changes than satisfaction), i think the fact of the matter is what rules would u change to americanize it?? Changes in those sports happened because of demand by fans or because it made sense. There really isn't any rule changes for the MLS that make sense
     
  5. CCSUltra

    CCSUltra Member+

    Nov 18, 2008
    Cleveland
    Club:
    Hertha BSC Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It might be more of a reference to the fact that the Brazilian league is managing to hold onto star players for longer and even draw national team members back from Europe. But most of that has to do with the fact that the Brazilian economy is strong and growing.

    In the 90s, Neymar never would have stayed in Brazil for this long. Hell, he wouldn't have still been in Brazil if it were 2005.
     
  6. WhiteStar Warriors

    Mar 25, 2007
    St.Pete/Krakow
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Stop expansion at 20, so you don't dilute talent that way maybe we will see a MLS team win CCL, by winning CCL you get notoriety by playing against the best.
     
  7. morange92

    morange92 Member+

    Jan 30, 2012
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    i think a mls team winning the CCL would definitely help exposure as well. But to be honest we definitely need a superstar, and we need to keep him in the league. I mean hell look at the increase in ratings golf got when tiger woods burst onto the scene, im pretty sure the same thing can happen in soccer if we could develop a great player or two
     
  8. LyotoM

    LyotoM Member

    Apr 1, 2011
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    soccer has already passed hockey on the internet.
     
  9. ganderif

    ganderif Member

    Apr 10, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    NSC Minnesota Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Who says soccer has passed hockey?

    Just look at hockey attendance this year over 3000

    Professional

    Chicago 21,525
    Montreal 21,273
    Philadelphia 20,581
    Detroit 20,124
    Toronto 19,524
    Calgary 19,289
    Ottawa 19,289
    Vancouver 18,883
    St. Louis 18,783
    Pittsburgh 18,560
    Buffalo 18,535
    Washington 18,506
    Tampa Bay 18,457
    NY Rangers 18,190
    Los Angeles 17,881
    Minnesota 17,763
    Boston 17,564
    San Jose 17,562
    Edmonton 16,839
    Nashville 16,632
    Florida 16,538
    Carolina 15,780
    Colorado 15,394
    New Jersey 15,324
    Winnipeg 15,004
    Anaheim 14,618
    Columbus 14,579
    Dallas 13,813
    NY Islanders 13,116
    Phoenix 12,170
    Hershey 9,780
    Fort Wayne 7,873
    Providence 7,631
    Lake Erie 7,595
    Chicago 7,426
    Houston 7,180
    Grand Rapids 7,118
    San Antonio 7,045
    Charlotte 6,838
    Wichita 6,414
    St. John's 6,300
    Toledo 6,187
    Milwaukee 6,113
    Ontario 6,072
    Stockton 5,832
    Wilkes-Barre/Scranton5,711
    Missouri 5,504
    Rochester 5,488
    Manchester 5,473
    Texas 5,471
    Colorado 5,289
    Toronto 5,287
    Portland 5,227
    Peoria 5,216
    Gwinnett 5,174
    Syracuse 5,166
    Bakersfield 4,957
    Adirondack 4,949
    Bridgeport 4,912
    Hamilton 4,897
    Norfolk 4,882
    Evansville 4,832
    Florida 4,817
    Rapid City 4,730
    Connecticut 4,636
    Tulsa 4,500
    Alaska 4,449
    Worcester 4,411
    Reading 4,314
    Allen 4,292
    Utah 4,274
    Las Vegas 4,264
    Rockford 4,184
    Cincinnati 4,136
    Idaho 3,882
    Oklahoma City 3,676
    Knoxville 3,631
    Binghamton 3,543
    Springfield 3,510
    Rio Grande Valley 3,499
    Abbotsford 3,474
    Albany 3,404
    Huntsville 3,386
    Greenville 3,371
    Fayetteville 3,305
    Elmira 3,290
    Quad City 3,245
    South Carolina 3,132


    College/Junior

    Wisconsin 11,773
    North Dakota 11,155
    Quebec 10,525
    Minnesota 9,539
    London 8,860
    Nebraska-Omaha 7,864
    Boston College 7,549
    Calgary 7,428
    Colorado College 6,754
    Massachusetts 6,603
    Minnesota-Duluth 6,328
    Kitchener 6,326
    Maine 6,182
    Halifax 6,177
    Kelowna 6,073
    Michigan 5,997
    Victoria 5,845
    Windsor 5,613
    Spokane 5,520
    Vancouver 5,499
    Ottawa 5,445
    Michigan State 5,364
    Denver 5,359
    New Hampshire 5,297
    Ohio State 5,178
    Boston University 4,963
    St. Cloud State 4,939
    Massachusetts-Lowell 4,904
    Red Deer 4,716
    Saskatoon 4,593
    Notre Dame 4,593
    Everett 4,551
    Sault Ste. Marie 4,375
    Cornell 4,238
    Edmonton 4,174
    Brandon 4,114
    Portland 4,085
    Medicine Hat 4,006
    Moncton 3,943
    Tri-City 3,933
    Saint John 3,901
    Seattle 3,854
    Kamloops 3,841
    Fresno 3,791
    Regina 3,767
    Moose Jaw 3,752
    Lincoln 3,630
    Vermont 3,573
    Bemidji State 3,521
    Sarnia 3,495
    Western Michigan 3,444
    Guelph 3,441
    Rensselaer 3,435
    Oshawa 3,377
    Saginaw 3,356
    Fargo 3,322
    Sudbury 3,317
    Shawinigan 3,258
    Barrie 3,240
    Minnesota State 3,228
    Indiana 3,223
    Lethbridge 3,175
    Yale 3,169
    Dartmouth 3,112
    Alaska-Anchorage 3,093
    Alaska 3,078
    Miami 3,021
    Rimouski 3,019
    Wenatchee 3,012
     
  10. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Dublin
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    I think he said soccer has surpassed hockey on the internet.
     
  11. Master O

    Master O Member+

    Jul 7, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  12. ganderif

    ganderif Member

    Apr 10, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    NSC Minnesota Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I just mean this thread in general saying the big "3' sports, obviously not including hockey.
     
  13. Absolute

    Absolute BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 18, 2007
    Green Hell
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I have no doubt soccer will be the 4th major sport in the US and Canada within the next generation, or 20-30 years. That is, as long as MLS survives. It should be twice as popular as it was 20 years ago, so it should be pretty sweet.

    I personally think America and Canada are big enough to have a Big 5 pro sports market. I don't see why it can't happen, we have the population and interest in sports to do it.
     
  14. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There is at least one other sport chasing us for #5.

    http://www.majorleaguelacrosse.com/about-mll/
     
  15. TobaccoMonopolyFC

    Oct 12, 2011
    Club:
    AS Monaco FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Bahamas
    Because it isn't "big" in those terms. It's like Eris. Soccer is Pluto and indoor soccer is Charon.

    American football is Jupiter.
     
  16. BrodieQPR

    BrodieQPR Member

    Jun 27, 2010
    Michigan
    Club:
    Queens Park Rangers FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Based on substantive things like revenue, soccer is an asteroid and indoor soccer is orbital debris
     
  17. morange92

    morange92 Member+

    Jan 30, 2012
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  18. TobaccoMonopolyFC

    Oct 12, 2011
    Club:
    AS Monaco FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Bahamas
    That's lacrosse and indoor lacrosse.
     
  19. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well sure, but MMA is more of an Individual sport, I mean NASCAR is top 3-5 but we usually exclude them from the list.
     
  20. ganderif

    ganderif Member

    Apr 10, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    NSC Minnesota Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If we included individual sports wed have to include nascar, golf, tennis, mma, boxing, horse racing, indycar... etc
     
  21. puertorricane

    puertorricane Red Card

    Feb 4, 2012
    Carolina PR
    Club:
    Santos FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I'm talking about brasilian domestic league where the interests for every santos game is in an all time high. Neymar is the face of brasilian football not one of the brasilians playing in the european big clubs. Because of neymar there is a big movement to keep players in brasil for longer. And the national team is made up with a bunch of local players and for the olympics the majority of the players will be from local leagues instead of europe.


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  22. LyotoM

    LyotoM Member

    Apr 1, 2011
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
  23. Zxcv

    Zxcv Member+

    Feb 22, 2012
    Is there anything in the current day setup that suggests MLS won't survive? We are beyond the point of having to worry about its sustainability. Otherwise I agree with what you're saying.

    Lol Lacrosse. Seriously, even soccer fans can disparage lacrosse.
     
  24. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Do not underestimate the power of Concacaf and FIFA to F things up.

    Like say pulling the Canada waiver or forcing pro/rel on MLS, etc.

    Remember we are lawsuit happy here in the USA, FIFA hates lawsuits that they can not control or put down.

    Could MLS survive losing International (FIFA) recognition if it came down to it? Perhaps, but it would not be as fun IMO.



    So Lacrosse is to soccer what soccer is to Hockey. :p

    They do have TV deals with ESPN2 (6 games) and CBSSN (14)

    They are where we were about 10 years ago, does not mean they will make it, but hey I am sure Hockey fans taught the same about MLS in 2000.

    One thing soccer does have over Lacrosse is that soccer has the attention of a huge Latino market in the USA, Lacrosse does not.

    A few more things about soccer over LAX

    Lacrosse is also more expensive than soccer and not popular internationally like soccer.

    So maybe LAX = Hockey (less international) and Soccer is more like Basketball.
     
  25. jimmy2823

    jimmy2823 Member

    Nov 10, 2011
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    i dont know if this is the correct thread to post this, but the attendance has been very bad this season in mls. All i see is about 10k a game
     

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