Hay o no renovación en la defensa de la Selección Colombia? http://www.futbolred.com/especiales...-la-defensa-de-la-seleccion-colombia/11258001 Well, we asll agree that there's no doubt that we have an improvement with Pekerman after the game vs. Mexico, but our Defense still looks shakey and unstable. We asked that for so many times so I thought it would be nice to make a poll. For the rest of the qualifiers, should Pekerman needs to invite Perea & Yepes (or maybe Cordoba) to help us to qualify with their experience or should we trust our new boys like Franco, Zapata, Bernardo & Aquivaldo? Do we have enough good options in this position? Let's hear your opinion.
I chose the second option. I have so much respect for our veterens, despite the fact that non of them ever played in the WC, but they are too old now (except Perea but I explain) and even if we qualify, I don't think that they should be in the WC 2014. We do have good options right now that still didn't recieved a real chance because of the veterans but Cristian, Aquivaldo & Bernardo play in good leagues (remember that Aquivaldo played for Sevilla) and I have no doubt that they will do a good job, surely no less then Perea& Yepes. As for Perea's age, I don't have a problem but he messed up so many times before in the NT, last time vs. Venezuela at home which cost us 2 precious points and he is the only one that I would invite only if we ran out of options (injuries, sent off etc.). For conclusion, in June I would invite based on the current ability: Bernardo, Franco, Aquivaqldo & Cristian. We replaced the old generation in every other position, it's about time that we'll do it in the CB's position as well.
En mi opinion, en 2 o 3 años vamos a tener una defensa fuerte. Pedro Franco 21 años(el mejor de los defensas jovenes Colombianos) Jeison Murillo 20 años (lastimosamente en la 2da B de España pero el Cadiz ya va para la 2da, pero viene bien, muchos partidos y 3 goles, ademas de que es uno de los jugadores mas apreciados por los aficionados de Cadiz) Stefan Medina 20 años (bueno aunque le falta todavia madurez) Bernardo 23 años (por arriba es muy bueno, por abajo...) Leyton Jimenez 23 años (si no se lesiona mas) Para mi solo es cuestión de irlos metiendo de a poco en la selección (inmediatamente Darle partidos a Zapata, Franco y a Leyton) Ademas a Zapata le quedan facilmente 8 años de futbol (claro, esto depende de para donde coja despues de esta temporada) y a Aquivaldo unos 2 o 3. En los laterales tenemos a dos jugadores que son cuestion de tiempo antes de que se ganen la titular en un equipo fuerte (Arias y Quiñonez). Asi que yo el futuro no lo veo tan embalado. Yo me preocuparia mas por el recambio de Carlos Sanchez.
Baal, I know that we have a very talented players in this position for the future. But I ment if you want to give them a chance in these qualifiers oro you prefer to continue with experienced players like Cordoba, Perea & Yepes? As for Sanchez, he still has time to play, but we do have good DM in Colombia like Ganisita, Valoy, Palomino, D. Chara, D. Arias, Bolivar, A. Mejia...
Se, se se... ya puse mi voto hace rato. Este año vamos a seguir obviamente con Perea y Aquivaldo, toca ver como terminan Bernardo y Yepes la temporada. Probablemente Ivan Ramiro Cordoba ya no tenga nada que aportar al equipo.
You don't play every weekend then you don't deserve to be on the NT. It's one thing if you play for Real, Barca or Man United but none of our guys do. Of our Vets the only one I'd keep is Mosquera but he need to be replaced as well. I don't know if he is fat or just has a big head that makes him look fat. I like 1. Bernado Espinosa 22 - Plays and starts in 1st Divison Spain, very very tall, great in the air, just kind of slow and pretty green. He will need a fast CB to cover him. 2.Pedro Franco 21 yrs old - A rock in defense in probably the most historic team in Colombia that has so much pressure and can't deliever. Can't be easy and he was the captain of the U-20s so a real leader. 3. Cristian Zapata 25 years old - doesn't always play CB and is kind of a sub now. Hopefully he gets sold or loaned back to Italy. He regains his form from last season and he should be captain. 4.Jeison Murillo 20 yrs old - Sucks he play's in 3rd division Spain but to me was the best CB at the WC. He didn't play against Mexico and we all saw what happened. His team is going to get promoted to 2nd division but his owners Granada might get demoted to 2nd divison. I have no problem with him being on the NT if he plays in 2nd division just not as a starter. 5.Leyton Jimenez 23 yrs old - Kid was a real beast it's a shame he got injured for a whole season. 6.Stefan Medina 20 yrs old - Great young CB who if he wins the starting Spot at Nacional should be considered for Yellow. To bad Lara screwed him at the WC.
Re: Do we have enough good CB's? ONE AT A TIME PARECE QUE UDS, estan pensando que ya clasificamos al 2014? primero hay que jugar las eliminatorias de este 2012 \con lo que tenemos hoy en dia, nos aguanta el equipo.......pero dudo que la mitad de la linea defensiva llegue al ultimo partido de 2013/nov eliminartorias. esta bien empezar a buscar reemplazos, Pekerman ya dio el primer paso, con espinosa......no jugo vs mexicans, pero lo conocieron los argentinos y los referentes de la sele. ademas parece que pekerman, ya tiene en mente su grp y su capitan!!! al poll le falto preguntar si los CB....se necesitan ASAP o para el proximo semestre?
Efer, who said anything about qualifiying to Brazil? The question is if we won't use the vets anymore during the rest of the qualifiers, or that we will use their experience and continue to invite them. I'm talking abouit the 2014 qualification, no one mentioned that we already qualified... Crzd, I don't understand what do you want from Mosquera. He's 30 years old but a good CB in my opinion and a good header. Didn't have the best match vs. Mexico, but he should be in the NT, no question about that.
IN MULTIPLE posts...cazilokiom.... y otros traen la idea de que veteranos del equipo para ke? que son mayores de 33 y que no alcanzan a llegar a 2014 en plenitud de actividad entonces, yo contesto y pienso, que la idea es clasificar primero ya tenemos en el PROCESO DE PEKERMAN, dos titulares y 3 suplentes CB se lesiona cualquiera, y se le da entrada a alexis hrrqz o un jovencito, pero por ahora esta claro lo que quieren los argentinos. GOOD ENOUGH FOR JOSE N P.
TE falto poner al AC milan, el mejor de italia para poder a justificar el llamado de mario alberto a la seleccion de pekerman. BTW: donde estara pekerman ys sus asistentes en los proximos 40 dias? como justificamos que se ganen la quincena?
Look it's one thing to be A vet that plays every week and do big things. Like a Diego Forlan at Copa America but our vets aren't as good as the young players they are blocking from PLaying. IN 2018 Falcao will be 32 but If he is still playing like he does now I will be all about him playing for us. It's like if we had never dropped JPA who plays more and better than any of our CBs just because he was a Vet player!!!
I think a bigger question is do we have backups for the Right Back and left back positions. I think there's a little bit of history that can be learned from when it comes to our team and the problems with our defense. Argentina faced the same problems in 1978 when Cesar Menotti decided to call up a relatively young team for the World Cup. He choose national league defenders like Daniel Passarella and Alberto Tarantini who were extremely young compared to the squad that played in 1974. The choices were criticized heavily by the media, but the result was Argentina, winning the world cup for the first time in their history. Perea is 33 years old. Yepes is 36. Cordoba is 35. Aquivaldo is 30. For the qualifiers we need to look at two different groups of replacement players. A: A group of players between the age of 23 and 28. These are defenders in their prime. These are the players that we will play to replace Yepes, Perea, and Aquivaldo for now. We need to take into account there are two years left before the World Cup. Aquivaldo will be hitting 32 by then, is there any guarantee he won't be playing like Perea by then? B: A group of players between the age of 19 and 23. These are the youngsters. Still not in their prime. These are the players we will try out against teams like Bolivia or Venezuela or in friendlies to see if they are up to playing on the seleccion. We will always need a captain figure like Yepes to be able to put out there with say a Pedro Franco or Zapata. Yepes may be getting old but I don't think he has made mistakes on the level or Cordoba and Perea yet, he is still a acceptable training figure for everyone hear for our youth talent yes? A single note: I believe we should ALWAYS, always, always, prefer a Colombian National League player over a European player who is playing the second division. In group A we are looking at players like Cristian Zapata, Andres Gonzalez, Ivan Velez, Carlos Valdez, or Juan Galicia. In group B we are looking at players like Pedro Franco, Espinosa, and Murillo. There are additional players we could look at, like Olave. The main problem is a lot of these players are too old. I think we definitely need to expand our options to the Local League and the MLS. Our defenders don't necessarily have to be from Europe. Beyond that we need to seriously look at who we are bringing as backup to the wonder twins, Armero and Zuniga. Juan Guillermo Domínguez is one name that comes to mind.
los votos son claros indices: QUIEREN QUE SEAN INVITADOS A SELECCION, pero los jovenes o nuevos seran 'backups' de acuerdo a los que votaron en tu poll otro defensor central para considerar: es el pelirojo de Itagui, le dicen el PECOSO es un calidoso y fino en entregas de balon, ayer se gano una inmrecida tarjeta amarilla en killa....ve junior- solidas presentaciones en 2012
Well yes, I can see the result. I'm guessing that having Yepes or Perea as a backup is not that bad of idea, although I chose the second option. I don't think that it'll be respectful for these players in their position and experience to be called as backups. We have good players in this position, we need to let them go. In my opinion we have 4-5 CB's that needs to be on the NT for the qualifiers and I'm talking about Cristian, Aquivaldo, Bernardo, Henriquez and I would add Pedro Franco, for me he is the best CB in our league. I would rotate between the first three, to see who are the two in the best form (cristian also can play as a RB) and let them start to build our future defense. No more Yepes & Perea.
But Pepino, I didn't say "throw him out to the cold water" on June in Lima. Invite him to practice with the NT, let him play some friendlies and in the meantime we have CB like Bernardo, Henriquez, Aquivaldo & Zapata. But we need to give the youngsters chances because Yepes & Perea already contributed for the NT. Now we need to qualify Franco, Medina, Murillo, to be the next generatrion.
las kagadaas de ayer y la tonta tarjeta amarilla, reflejan es la actitud del coach venezolano, en seleccion U20 es un tipo mas ordenado en sus decisiones y juego. respecto al poll: parece ser unanime de colombianos, ver jovenes de backups.... necesitamos es suplentes a los 5 opcionados por pekerman!! claro
La mano contra el caldas no es reflejo de paez.....la explusion estupida contra envigado en cuartos que costo penal tampoco fue culpa de paez, las cagadas de la sub 20 contra mexico no fueron culpa de paez.....el tipo tiene cosas muy marcadas propias de jugadores de su edad, y darle juego en un partido importante de la selección seria peligrosisimo
Re: Do we have enough good CB's? EN MILLOS NO, EN ENVIGADO SI! es la presion mental de paez que indirectamente pone peso en los jugadores de su gusto ejemplo: berrio, no es tan malo como se ha visto, esta presionao y muy nervioso cuando pisa el area con franco, seguro lo manda al partido con instruucciones muy exigentes de para un joven en desarrollo, y el man se pasa en velocidades o agresividad. ademas pienso que esta MUY MAL ACOMPANADO en el medio de la defensa, el extrangero ese, es un paketon defendiendo, es tan raro que a millos le hacen mucho dan`o por arriva en tiros libres o corners, pero el tipo ataka y sabe cabezear al arco?? raro o no cabeza para atakar--- ZERO PARA DEFENDER?!! ithuralde (como se llama el deficiente central ese?) pasa por el tecnico y sus exigencias de cada uno, en este caso ayer kla tribuna lo silbo por 4th vez en el 2012...y con raxones muy parecidas o no?
Re: Do we have enough good CB's? EN MILLOS NO, EN ENVIGADO SI! Pedro Franco >>>>>>>>>>> Henriquez. No matter how huge of a Nacional/Once Caldas fan you are. Yea Franco is green kid is what 20? I think we should call 1. Aquivaldo - Starter Need to fight to play next to Aquivaldo 2. Zapata 3. Bernardo 4. Pedro Franco 5. Henriquez or Carlos Valdez of Phili. It's Bs he was starting on the NT, goes to the MLS and no longer talked about. 6. Yepes - he needs to be on the team to help Pekerman but F no on playing time.We can also spend an extra grand or 2 every game to give him a free trip.
Crzd, dude, stop thinking that I care about players only because of Nacional. I don't give a shit man. I don't mind that Colombia will play with 5 DIM players and 6 Millos players and that we'll qualify.
Re: Do we have enough good CB's? EN MILLOS NO, EN ENVIGADO SI! Yepes en buena condicion es todo la vida mejor que Aquivaldo. Unico cosa que le pido es que no sube pa cabezar como lo hace CADA TIRO DE ESQUINA.
Re: Do we have enough good CB's? EN MILLOS NO, EN ENVIGADO SI! Do we have good enough CBs to replace the current guys - yes. Do we have time to experiment before the Peru and Ecuador matches, no. Conclusion, Pekerman will not be using a new back line unless there is serious injury. Expect to see the same 4 that started v Mexico.
Yes we have enough good CB's. I swear some of you guys weigh our defense just on the defenders. As if the midfielders didn't have any blame. Not only that but some the offense that we encounter are actually good. Alexis Sanchez, Leo Messi, Paolo Guerrero, Chicharitos, etc etc.
muy bien dicho!! con un par de medios que no esten finos y dejen filtrar muchos pases o atakes....a cualquier CB se le dificulta la labor. cosa que paso en el colo/mex... en los primeros 20 minutos, mientras Aldo L se acomodaba en la cancha.....UN NO SE SI PUDO encontrar su puesto y el pedido tactico del DT....pero eso es otro cuento
