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Discussion in 'Arsenal Off Topic' started by Silock, Nov 13, 2010.
he reminds me of a slightly worse Drew Gooden.
he reminds me of Mike Sweetney in 2003.
Sullinger should leave this year, he has lost too much money. He should have left last year in hindsight.
The Mike Sweetney comparison is apt. I've always thought that Sullinger was too small to be a viable NBA Center. Really, he's a 4, not a 5. As a Buckeye fan I really don't care if he comes back or not. But, if he does come back, he needs to be the 4. Let Ravenel or Williams play the 5.
I couldn't care less about this championship game tonight. Boring teams.
nah, he is no doubt a 4. No one is projecting him as a center in the NBA.
He needs to lose a lot of weight and add muscle (like Kevin Love did) and also gain a couple of inches in height.
Haha - well, that might be a bit tough.
You didn't watch him at all, apparently. His first 3.5 years ... I'll give you that. But he really turned it around starting with Big 12 conference play.
Cousy award finalist, and all Final Four team. He turned into an outstanding player.
I think a more apt comparison is Sean May.
The two winningest teams in CBB is boring? UK with 15 FFs and KU with 14. That's boring?
Okay. Clearly, you're just a fan of your own team, and not college basketball. And that's not a slight on you. Just the way it is. And that's okay.
Congrats to UK. Man, they are so tough defensively. Played well. Played with class, and stuck around to congratulate our players on coming back. Gracious in winning. Classy.
Still, I'm extremely proud of my Jayhawks. This is the best rebuilding year in our history.
it was a lot better than last years final.
pretty decent finish.
Definitely. I almost turned it off and went to sleep at the half. Then I remembered how Kansas got to the game in the first place.
Somebody PLEASE shave Davis' unibrow. Damn that thing has a life of its own.
he absolutely is not an outstanding player. And I have watched him all season. He is an upperclassmen who still plays like a freshman.
and how many outstanding point guards were in college ball this year? Only one, and his name is Kendall Marshall. Taylor made that list because there were not many options, not because he has been great.
this NBA draft will be the worst for point guards in years, a draft Taylor has to enter.
big name schools with a big time game. Let that be a lesson.
the bottom row of teeth bothers me more. He needs some braces.
Heh. Well it looks like dental health has never been a priority with the Davis men:
he looks special in that pic
but a black dad in his son's life. Im happy off that
Not for long. This time next year, they'll both have perfect Colgate smiles.
How many freshmen put the team on their backs on the way to a title game run?
Uh, lots actually. Peyton Siga, Maqrquis Teague, Aaron Craft, Phil Pressey (ewww), Tu Holloway, Will Barton. Lots of great PG play this year.
Eh, maybe. Two dynasty teams playing for the championship doesn't do much for me. There's no real underdog to root for.
I almost couldn't believe it to be honest.
first, Taylor actually did not do this. He also attempted to lose a couple of games late as well, including the Semifinal on Saturday with stupid play.
Secondly, "how many freshman put the teams on their backs" really? Are you serious? Didnt a freshman just win the MOP award?
nah, you can mention it and none of them were on Marshall's level.
SIVA sucks. Teague sucked for most of the season (he balled late in the year tho, Craft was a great defensive player but not on the list. Tu Holloway and Will Barton are you just scrounging for names.
Only Pressey and Isiah Canaan were on a level below Marshall. Taylor is a rock head and was not outstanding.
the last two years with those undersogs we had some great title games. (sarcasm)
That's just crazy talk. He had to be in position to make the steal in the first place. That wasn't a stupid play. Trying to run the clock out, but EJ moved toward the basket to score, which isn't what Taylor was trying to do. He made clutch free throws in just about every tournament game, and clutch plays late. KU is nowhere near the Final Four without TT.
Yes, but 1) do you have ANY idea how RARE that is? The last freshman to win it was 10 years ago and his name was Carmelo Anthony. 2) He didn't even hit a FG in the final. UK is still an outstanding team without Davis. Maybe not national champs, but Tyshawn is certainly more valuable to KU than Davis was to UK.
There's no denying that Marshall was the best, but that doesn't mean everyone else sucks.
For instance, Marshall averaged 8 points per game, and 10 assists. Tyshawn averaged only 5 assists per game, but got a whopping 9 ppg more averaging 17. So, those assist numbers actually translate more to his own points instead of others. Taylor averaged less than 1 Turnover per game more than Kendall (Kendall - 2.8, Taylor 3.5).
Again, I'm not saying Tyshawn Taylor is better or as good, but he's clearly very close, and saying that he sucks is just crazy.
Nah. Siva has similar numbers to Marshall as well, but he's slightly better defensively. Tu Holloway has numbers almost identical to Tyshawn. Will Barton played very well for Memphis this year. Definitely the "worst" name on my list, though.
Pressey was great, too. Similar numbers to Marshall, only with more points and less turnovers and fewer assists. Didn't see enough of Canaan against really good competition to accurately judge.
I just don't think you watched enough of Tyshawn. The numbers and his usage rate clearly show how valuable he was and how well he performed.
this one wasn't any better.
you mean the Purdue game where he went for an open dunk when he should have just dribbled the ball out and waited for a foul? Instead he gave Purdue one last shot.
and trying that pass against Ohio State was stupid.
If you really think Taylor played clutch late in most of these tournament games, then I think you have a different understanding clutch or intelligence in those late game moments than most people.
absurd statement. This Kentucky team is one of the best defensive teams in college ball in the last 30 years. Having the national defensive player of the year has some affect on that. Davis had more blocks than many Division 1 teams this year.
they sucked. I watched most of those kids this season play a lot. None of them were consistent. None of them were "outstanding" like you tried to claim Taylor was this year.
So Kendall's Assist to Turnover ratio is almost 3:1 while Taylor's is under 2:1. Outstanding stuff. This is the decision making I am talking about.
he is not "very close" to Marshall. He is not close at all.
Siva also averaged a turnover more than Marshall.
Canaan was a beast this year. I think he will go higher than Taylor in the draft if he declares.
Tyshawn is a doofus. I know he plays for Kansas and you have to defend him, but he isnt thought of that highly around the country because he has a lot of moments of stupidity.
it was a lot better. That UConn Butler game last year was the worst basketball games I have seen at any level of basketball. If you dont think this game was better, man good luck to you.
I didn't even notice Taylor in the first half of the final. He stood out more in the second, made a few really nice moves, and a few stupid, out of control moves.
Take the points. He had no idea if anyone was behind him trying to foul him. If someone fouls, and he misses free throws, that's WAY worse than going up by 3.
No, I just watched the games. He made big scores down the stretch. And his numbers back up what I said.
Did you really read what I wrote? Taylor accounted for nearly 30% of the team's scoring. He was used in 27.7% of every possession, which is only slightly behind Thomas Robinson, who was at 29.7. By comparison, Anthony Davis was only used on 19.3% of every possession for UK and didn't come close to scoring as high of a percentage for his team as Taylor did. His presence was surely felt on the defensive end, and I'll not deny that. But that team had outstanding defense at multiple positions, especially MKG and Jones. Taylor was more valuable to Kansas. The numbers bear that out.
So, if he wasn't outstanding, why did he make unanimous First team All Big 12, and the Final Four team? You aren't bringing any facts up other than your opinion. I'm trying to find out why.
His PPG more than makes up for that. And those numbers are a bit skewed by his terrible start, namely the 11 turnover game against Duke in Maui.
I don't believe that to be true. The numbers don't lie.
It's certainly possible. I'm just saying I can't comment because I didn't watch him.
I'm not defending him because he plays for Kansas. I'm defending him because I believe you made a severely erroneous statement. Look at the first UK game. Taylor had 0 turnovers, and got to the line any time he wanted. Ended up with 17 points. I will readily admit that for 3.5 years, he played like an idiot. You can go on any KU message board and no one will disagree with you. But his decision making, shot making, free throws and ability to get to the lane just turned a huge corner when Big 12 conference play rolled around. He got a LOT better. His stats in the second half of the year were better than Marshall's, but because of his shitty start, they end up being worse. Again, I'm not saying he's better than Marshall, but he's very, very good.
"Robinson and Taylor were unanimous selections for 2012 All-Big 12 First Team according to the league coaches. Taylor led Kansas this season in conference games with an 18.6 scoring average. He is second on the team in overall average at 17.2 points per game." (This went up as the season finished)