Deadspin on MLS

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  1. Vandervaart

    Vandervaart Member

    May 21, 2003
    London
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
  2. itcheyness

    itcheyness Member

    Jul 30, 2012
    Milwaukee
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #2 itcheyness, Mar 9, 2014
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  3. stonejh127

    stonejh127 Member+

    Sep 9, 2011
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  4. DallasHammster

    Jun 18, 2007
    DALLAS!!!
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  5. elvinjones

    elvinjones Member

    Jul 4, 2011
    San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I agree with a lot of it.

    I follow MLS, I am very bugged by the tiny cap space and some of the other things he brought up like how the league is organized.

    As for the quality of play, it's pretty bad sometimes, but really that is stylistic very much.

    American coaches select out the intelligent players and choose dumber, athletic players and that's just reflected in our style of play. However the mix of international players make our league interesting.
     
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  6. aquablue

    aquablue Member

    Jun 30, 2009
    #6 aquablue, Apr 17, 2014
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    I find the pace of play too slow. I.e, the player has far too much time on the ball really compared to the BPL. The game is so slow sometimes that it's like a pickup game in a rainforest. I agree on the tiny cap which needs to increase to double in order for more of the soccer purists to tune in. The Nats games are so much more exciting to watch compared to MLS, which is really pub-league in comparison. It's quite sad that the English are right when they say that the MLS is pub quality. Oh, and please get some players who can actually distribute a ball.
     
  7. manoa

    manoa Member

    Aug 16, 2005
    there are palm trees
    You're a bot with an English Soccer Fan Talking Nonsense Random Quote Generator installed?
     
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  8. owian

    owian Member+

    Liverpool FC, San Diego Loyal
    May 17, 2002
    San Diego
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    While I don't agree with the other poster for a second that MLS is "pub quality" the level of play is the biggest detriment for a lot of fans. Of course this is the hardest thing to change, and simply doubling the salary cap won't achieve it a lone (although would be a good step, but it's easy for me to say when it's not my money).
     
  9. thnkucomeagain

    thnkucomeagain Member+

    Jul 13, 2012
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Pub league? Only someone who hasn't watched the league would make a claim as crazy and unfounded as that. Where do you think most of the Nats players come from?
     
  10. Hans H S

    Hans H S New Member

    Apr 18, 2014
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Yeah, It`s slow paced compared to the EPL (why do people here call it BPL btw?) So is Serie A.
    Yes, I concur, a Sounders fan singing "You`ll never walk alone" is IMO pathethic.

    But what do you expect?
    In Europe, soccer is 100-140 years old.. Here, the league is 20.
    In time, the MLS and the american fans will develop their own identity.
    Of course americans copy european supporter culture. And of course everything isn`t perfect
    when you start from scratch in a country where soccer isn`t part of the culture.

    But, as a soccer fan, I love SOCCER (even though I prefer to call it football)

    I live in Norway, but I travel to London 2-4 times a year to watch my favourite team, Tottenham.
    While in England on my Tottenham trips, I usually try and sneak in visits to different teams, SHITTY teams. Last spring I watched Luton - Grimsby.
    That is level 5 of the english football-pyramid.
    The stadium (technically an all seater I guess) was so ugly, you just have to love it.
    That was probably the worst game of football I`ve witnessed, but I loved it!
    Every week, millions of people all over the world watch soccer.
    Believe me: very, very few of the games resembles a top game in the biggest leagues in Europe.

    MLS is hardly on par qualitywise with the 10 best leagues in the world. But it is improving. Year by year,
    15 years ago, your league was undoubtly worse than the scandinavian leagues, today: better.
    The maket is huge, The kids play soccer.
    And although I get provoced at your Garber fella claiming you are fast becoming one of the 6-7 best leagues in
    the world (you`re not, MLS is more like #15-20, and it`s gonna take a good while if ever to become top 6), I still root for MLS.

    Because I love football.


    And I`m quite convinced it will only become better.
     
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  11. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To answer the question above: BPL stands for Barclays Premier League.

    Anyway, pace of play is not the be-all and end-all of soccer. It comes at the cost of quality possession play, as we see when comparing England to continental Europe. And even at the highest levels, where the players can play quality ball at high speed, pace ends up being mostly a function of climate. It's simply impossible to play as fast in the US as in England; even if MLS had all the world's best players it would still likely be much slower and resemble Italy or Spain more than England.
     
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  12. Hans H S

    Hans H S New Member

    Apr 18, 2014
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC

    Ah... The sponsor name of course...

    I am fully aware that the english league has a higher pace than other leagues..
    I`ve watched it for almost 30 years.
    And although I agree that pace increase the risk of losing possesion, if you manage to keep possesion while having pace, you`ve got... Bsyern Munich!
    And every league in the world except England would probably have lower pace.. It`s a cultural thing.
    English fans like tackles, and even if you are no good at passing or shooting, you can allways run and tackle.
    Some say the frenetic pace is the reason England underperforms at world cups and Euro cups as well..
    The fatigue syndrom come june.

    Dunno about that. Lack of quality is more likely if you ask me.
     
  13. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
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    United States
  14. CeltTexan

    CeltTexan Member+

    Sep 21, 2000
    Houston, TX USA
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Deadspin doesn't know where Donovan, Dempsey or Bradley began/continue their professional careers it appears. Once we witness that simple lack of insight. Any article from Deadspin on the sport is a wash.
     
  15. Hachiko

    Hachiko The Akita on Big Soccer

    Jun 8, 2005
    Long Beach, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Go on... :sneaky:

    Btw, Deadspin gonna Deadspin.
     
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  16. ATLfirefan

    ATLfirefan Member

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 8, 2005
    Norcross, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This. Deadspin basically is the arbitrary sports cynic/hipster. It's funny, entertaining to read, and sparks controversy. They make some good points that I believe MLS needs to address (single-entity ownership being No. 1), but it's just some person's opinion. Overall, they're fairly good at promoting soccer on their site.
     
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  17. fingersave

    fingersave Member

    Sep 28, 2009
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The self-promotion stuff is kind of ridiculous. But they recognize that generating fan interest is part of the sports hustle, so whatever. ESPiN has mutual interest in NFL, NBA, NCAA, and MLB because they put their product over their airwaves. They are promoting their own product. When MLS brings large swaths of the NY and LA markets into the audience, they'll get the same pathetically produced schlock that ESPiN produces for the other sports it broadcasts. If you havent already, notice the excess that ESPiN goes to to promote the events it broadcasts. You will also notice that it doesn't promote (within its shows) events it doesn't broadcast unless the event is large enough that they can benefit from peripheral talk about it (major NFL market games, etc.). It's why they always talk about the Giants, Yankees, and Lakers, even when they suck.

    With the arrival of the Sounders, the MLS is impeding on those markets. That team gets nearly as much local attention as any soccer team on the planet. Notice who won the superbowl last year? Yeah. The Seahawks are trying to dip into that fanbase. When an NFL team feels the need to latch on to an MLS team for fans, you know that the MLS has arrived. That story has not been talked about enough.
     
  18. DallasHammster

    Jun 18, 2007
    DALLAS!!!
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    "Getting Ready For MLS? Not Us!" I would not have had a problem with. To each his own.

    "Getting Ready For MLS? Allow Us To Convince You Otherwise." I have a major problem with. It's that whole talking down attitude, like those of us who follow MLS need to be educated.

    Well, allow me to clue y'all in, folks: We are fully aware that the best soccer in the world right now is being played in Europe. There's not a sane one of us who would claim otherwise. We understand "Money talks, bulls*** walks".

    It's just that some of us appreciate being able to haul our duffs off of a couch and into a stadium to actually attend a game, while also following a team in Europe. And then some of us appreciate being able to haul our duffs off of a couch and into a stadium to actually attend a game, while not particularly giving a flying f*** about Europe. :D
     
  19. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    THIS.
     
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  20. dundee9

    dundee9 Member

    Jan 13, 2007
  21. itcheyness

    itcheyness Member

    Jul 30, 2012
    Milwaukee
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    None of it.
     
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  22. Honore de Ballsac

    Oct 28, 2005
    France.
    How can fans still be bothered about Rosario, Chivas, Celtic, 1860, Betis, Flamengo, Antlers, Kaiser Chiefs, St. Etienne, Raja, Malmo, Wolves I suppose I could go on, for hours.

    Why would anyone watch those games if they don't look like Xbox? I mean, Cristiano Ronaldo isn't even playing.

    Thankfully, there's much more to the soccer world than the very top tier of Champions League.
     
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  23. luftmensch

    luftmensch Member+

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    May 4, 2006
    Petaluma
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    Los Angeles Galaxy
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    United States
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