Daily Mail Top 50 players ever

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  1. PDG1978

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    Here is an analysis of the current points by country based on the first nation a player represented but according to the current nations of the world (splitting Russia, Ukraine etc for example). I've made exceptions to give Austria and Czech Republic half Bican's points each, and the same with Slovakia and Hungary for Kubala:
    Brazil 3016 points (23 players)
    Germany 1361 (11 players)
    Argentina 1346 (10 players)
    Holland 1205 (7 players)
    Italy 1191 (13 players)
    France 1077 (8 players)
    England 907 (7 players)
    Hungary 648 (7 players including Kubala)
    Portugal 460 (3 players)
    Northern Ireland 396 (1 player)
    Russia 273 (1 player)
    Denmark 111 (3 players)
    Uruguay 105 (4 players)
    Spain 85 (5 players)
    Austria 78 (2 players including Bican)
    Scotland 70 (1 player)
    Liberia 58 (1 player)
    Slovakia 42 (Kubala)
    Chile 39 (1 player)
    Paraguay 33 (1 player)
    Peru 33 (1 player)
    Wales 32 (1 player)
    Montenegro 31 (1 player)
    Romania 28 (1 player)
    Ukraine 27 (1 player)
    Serbia 24 (1 player)
    Mexico 23 (1 player)
    Bulgaria 22 (1 player)
    Czech Republic 18 (Bican)
    Sweden 12 (1 player)
    Poland 8 (1 player).


  2. PDG1978

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    Extending it to look at the honourable mentions (players in someone's top 100 but not top 50):
    Domingos Da Guia
    Lilian Thuram
    Gianluigi Buffon
    Pavel Nedved
    Marcel Desailly
    Denis Law
    Josef Masopust
    Ryan Giggs
    Jimmy Greaves
    Kazimierz Deyna
    Rob Rensenbrink
    John Robertson
    Roger Milla
    Preben Elkjaer
    Jean Tigana
    Jan Ceulemans
    Glenn Hoddle
    Pierre Littbarski
    John Barnes
    Enzo Scifo
    Claudio Caniggia
    Paul Gascoigne
    Gianfranco Zola
    Davor Suker
    Henrik Larsson
    David Beckham
    Robinho
    Ruud van Nistelrooy
    Johnny Rep
    Wolfgang Overath
    Paul Breitner
    Ademir Marques de Menezes
    Angel Labruna
    Javier Zanetti
    Claude Makalele
    Luis Monti
    Fernando Peyroteo
    Alberto Spencer
    Cesar Cueto
    Ricardo Zamora

    England 5 players
    France 4
    Argentina 4
    Brazil 3
    Holland 3
    Germany 3
    Czech Republic 2
    Scotland 2
    Belgium 2
    Italy 2
    Wales 1
    Poland 1
    Cameroon 1
    Denmark 1
    Croatia 1
    Sweden 1
    Portugal 1
    Ecuador 1
    Peru 1
    Spain 1.
  3. schwuppe

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    Ughh my opinion changed a lot in the last months - I will revise my list any time soon.
  4. PDG1978

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    A little change to this analysis as I had Duncan Edwards down as German on my spreadsheet by mistake! Germany below Argentina now with England still behind France as adjusted below (using my original post):


  5. PDG1978

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    That's OK Schwuppe, everyone including me seems to be adjusting their rankings. It's better to have as realistic a vote as possible I think.
  6. KyleP

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    Right, here is my updated list. There are a few significant changes, but I'm keeping Cruyff no. 1. :D

    1. Johan Cruyff
    2. Pelé
    3. Diego Maradona
    4. Franz Beckenbauer
    5. Ferenc Puskás
    6. Alfredo di Stéfano
    7. Garrincha
    8. Michel Platini
    9. Gerd Müller
    10. Eusébio
    11. Zico
    12. Bobby Charlton
    13. Ronaldo
    14. Zinedine Zidane
    15. Marco van Basten
    16. George Best
    17. Lev Yashin
    18. Stanley Matthews
    19. Paolo Maldini
    20. Josef Bican
    21. Lothar Matthäus
    22. László Kubala
    23. Giuseppe Meazza
    24. Didi
    25. Franco Baresi
    26. Roberto Baggio
    27. Zizinho
    28. Ruud Gullit
    29. Sándor Kocsis
    30. Bobby Moore
    31. Roberto Rivelino
    32. Romário
    33. Fritz Walter
    34. Rivaldo
    35. José Manuel Moreno
    36. Uwe Seeler
    37. Raymond Kopa
    38. Leônidas
    39. Karl-Heinz Rummenigge
    40. Gunnar Nordahl
    41. Luis Suárez
    42. Daniel Passarella
    43. Just Fontaine
    44. Matthias Sindelar
    45. Francisco Gento
    46. Dino Zoff
    47. Elías Figueroa
    48. Gianni Rivera
    49. Telmo Zarra
    50. Thierry Henry
  7. PDG1978

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    Thanks Kyle, I'll reveal the new standings tomorrow sometime. Beckenbauer sneaking ahead of Puskas in your top few then, but more changes including new entries into your top 50 lower down.
  8. PDG1978

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    After KyleP's adjustments to his vote:
    1 Pele 499
    2 Diego Maradona 481
    3 Johan Cruyff 479
    4 Alfredo Di Stéfano 465
    5 Franz Beckenbauer 451
    6 Michel Platini 436
    7 Ferenc Puskás 435
    8 Garrincha 402
    9 Eusebio 396
    10= George Best 391
    10= Zico 391
    12 Zinedine Zidane 374
    13 Bobby Charlton 371
    14 Ronaldo 367
    15 Gerd Müller 344
    16 Marco van Basten 341
    17 Lev Yashin 288
    18 Bobby Moore 275
    19 Romario 263
    20 Franco Baresi 251
    21 Paolo Maldini 250
    22 Lothar Matthäus 236
    23 Didí 210
    24 Stanley Matthews 208
    25 Ruud Gullit 199
    26 Roberto Baggio 187
    27 Rivelino 180
    28= Giuseppe Meazza 157
    28= Zizinho 157
    30 Ronaldinho 148
    31 Leonidas 139
    32 Raymond Kopa 134
    33 José Manuel Moreno 133
    34 Ladislao Kubala 104
    35 Fritz Walter 96
    36 Karl-Heinz Rummenigge 95
    37 Thierry Henry 88
    38= Gianni Rivera 87
    38= Sandor Kocsis 87
    40 Dino Zoff 77

    41 Dennis Bergkamp 75
    42 Kenny Dalglish 70
    43 Matthias Sindelar 67
    44= Lionel Messi 65

    44= Rivaldo 65
    46 Peter Schmeichel 59
    47 George Weah 58
    48 Paolo Rossi 54
    49= Adolfo Pedernera 51
    49= Michael Laudrup 51
    49= Johan Neeskens 51
    52 Luís Figo 50
    53 Daniel Passarella 49
    54 Omar Sivori 43
    55 Jürgen Klinsmann 42
    56 Juan Alberto Schiaffino 41
    57 Sandro Mazzola 40
    58 Elías Figueroa
    38
    59 Josef Bican 37
    60= Luis Suarez
    36
    60= Just Fontaine 36
    60= Hector Scarone 36
    63= Roberto Carlos 34
    63= Frank Rijkaard 34
    65= Arsenio Erico 33
    65= Teófilo Cubillas 33
    67= John Charles 32
    67= Mario Kempes 32

    67= Gordon Banks 32
    67= Giacinto Facchetti 32
    71= Dejan Savicevic 31
    71= Kaká 31
    73= Gheorghe Hagi 28
    73= Nilton Santos 28
    73= Gyorgy Sarosi 28
    73= Falcao 28
    77= Andriy Shevchenko 27
    77= Cafú 27
    77= Uwe Seeler 27
    80 Gabriel Batistuta 26

    81 Duncan Edwards 25
    82= Carlos Alberto
    24
    82= Jairzinho 24
    82= Dragan Dzajic 24
    82= Artur Friedenreich 24
    86= Valentino Mazzola 23
    86= Hugo Sanchez 23
    88 Hristo Stoichkov 22
    89 José Leandro Andrade 21
    90= Tom Finney 18
    90= Cristiano Ronaldo 18
    92 Jozsef Bozsik 16
    93 Nándor Hidegkuti 15
    94= Francisco Gento 12
    94= Tostao
    12
    94= Kevin Keegan 12
    97 Gunnar Nordahl 11
    98= Djalma Santos
    10
    98= Francesco Totti 10
    98= Gaetano Scirea 10
    101= Emilio Butragueño 9
    101= Eric Cantona 9
    103= Zbigniew Boniek 8
    103= Sepp Maier 8
    105= Enzo Francescoli 7
    105= Matthias Sammer 7
    105= Oliver Kahn 7
    108 Raul 6
    109 Fabio Cannavaro 5
    110= Robert Pires 4
    110= Gerson 4
    112= Telmo Zarra 2
    112= Patrick Vieira 2
    112= Gary Lineker 2
    115= Fernando Redondo 1
    115= Socrates 1
    115= Brian Laudrup 1
  9. PDG1978

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    Using the 10 votes so far this is how it pans out in each position/role. I've included players in two roles if they were probably equally good at both but if they were better at one then they aren't included in another even if they would be deemed good enough to be amongst the best in that role possibly. I hope you don't mind Peru that I've also adjusted the roles, merging defensive midfielders with central midfielders and re-defining support strikers as support attackers to include modern wing forwards as well as attacking inside forwards/deep lying strikers etc. I've put Platini as an attacking midfielder but generally players that played in central midfield, even if very creative/frequent goalscorers are included as central midfielders:

    Goalkeepers
    17 Lev Yashin 288 (Soviet Union)
    40 Dino Zoff 77 (Italy)
    46 Peter Schmeichel 59 (Denmark)
    67= Gordon Banks 32 (England)
    103= Sepp Maier 8 (Germany)
    105= Oliver Kahn 7 (Germany)

    Centrebacks / Sweepers
    5 Franz Beckenbauer 451 (Germany)
    18 Bobby Moore 275 (England)
    20 Franco Baresi 251 (Italy)
    53 Daniel Passarella 49 (Argentina)
    58 Elías Figueroa 38 (Chile)
    67= John Charles 32 (Wales)
    98= Gaetano Scirea 10 (Italy)
    105= Matthias Sammer 7 (Germany)
    109 Fabio Cannavaro 5 (Italy)

    Fullbacks
    21 Paolo Maldini 250 (Italy)
    63= Roberto Carlos 34 (Brazil)
    67= Giacinto Facchetti 32 (Italy)
    73= Nilton Santos 28 (Brazil)
    77= Cafú 27 (Brazil)
    82= Carlos Alberto 24 (Brazil)
    89 José Leandro Andrade 21 (Uruguay)
    98= Djalma Santos 10 (Brazil)

    Central Midfielders
    12 Zinedine Zidane 374 (France)
    13 Bobby Charlton 371 (England)
    22 Lothar Matthäus 236 (Germany)
    23 Didí 210 (Brazil)
    49= Johan Neeskens 51 (Holland)
    60= Luis Suarez 36 (Spain)
    63= Frank Rijkaard 34 (Holland)
    73= Gheorghe Hagi 28 (Romania)
    73= Falcao 28 (Brazil)
    81 Duncan Edwards 25 (England)
    89 José Leandro Andrade 21 (Uruguay)
    92 Jozsef Bozsik 16 (Hungary)
    110= Gerson 4 (Brazil)
    112= Patrick Vieira 2 (France)
    115= Fernando Redondo 1 (Argentina)
    115= Socrates 1 (Brazil)

    Attacking Midfielders
    2 Diego Maradona 481 (Argentina)
    6 Michel Platini 436 (France)
    10= Zico 391 (Brazil)
    13 Bobby Charlton 371 (England)
    27 Rivelino 180 (Brazil)
    28= Zizinho 157 (Brazil)
    30 Ronaldinho 148 (Brazil)
    35 Fritz Walter 96 (Germany)
    38= Gianni Rivera 87 (Italy)
    44= Rivaldo 65 (Brazil)
    49= Michael Laudrup 51 (Denmark)
    57 Sandro Mazzola 40 (Italy)
    60= Luis Suarez 36 (Spain)
    65= Teófilo Cubillas 33 (Peru)
    71= Kaká 31 (Brazil)
    103= Zbigniew Boniek 8 (Poland)
    105= Enzo Francescoli 7 (Uruguay)
    115= Brian Laudrup 1 (Denmark)

    Side Midfielders / Wingers
    8 Garrincha 402 (Brazil)
    10= George Best 391 (N.Ireland)
    24 Stanley Matthews 208 (England)
    52 Luís Figo 50 (Portugal)
    82= Jairzinho 24 (Brazil)
    82= Dragan Dzajic 24 (Yugoslavia)
    90= Tom Finney 18 (England)
    94= Francisco Gento 12 (Spain)
    110= Robert Pires 4 (France)

    Support Forwards
    1 Pele 499 (Brazil)
    2 Diego Maradona 481 (Argentina)
    3 Johan Cruyff 479 (Holland)
    4 Alfredo Di Stéfano 465 (Argentina)
    7 Ferenc Puskás 435 (Hungary)
    10= Zico 391 (Brazil)
    25 Ruud Gullit 199 (Holland)
    26 Roberto Baggio 187 (Italy)
    28= Giuseppe Meazza 157 (Italy)
    30 Ronaldinho 148 (Brazil)
    32 Raymond Kopa 134 (France)
    33 José Manuel Moreno 133 (Argentina)
    34 Ladislao Kubala 104 (Czechoslovakia/Hungary)
    36 Karl-Heinz Rummenigge 95 (Germany)
    41 Dennis Bergkamp 75 (Holland)
    42 Kenny Dalglish 70 (Scotland)
    43 Matthias Sindelar 67 (Austria)
    44= Lionel Messi 65 (Argentina)
    49= Adolfo Pedernera 51 (Argentina)
    54 Omar Sivori 43 (Argentina)
    56 Juan Alberto Schiaffino 41 (Uruguay)
    60= Hector Scarone 36 (Uruguay)
    65= Teófilo Cubillas 33 (Peru)
    67= Mario Kempes 32 (Argentina)
    71= Dejan Savicevic 31 (Yugoslavia)
    73= Gyorgy Sarosi 28 (Hungary)
    86= Valentino Mazzola 23 (Italy)
    90= Cristiano Ronaldo 18 (Portugal)
    93 Nándor Hidegkuti 15 (Hungary)
    94= Tostao 12 (Brazil)
    94= Kevin Keegan 12 (England)
    98= Francesco Totti 10 (Italy)
    101= Emilio Butragueño 9 (Spain)
    101= Eric Cantona 9 (France)
    103= Zbigniew Boniek 8 (Poland)
    108 Raul 6 (Spain)

    Strikers
    1 Pele 499 (Brazil)
    7 Ferenc Puskás 435 (Hungary)
    9 Eusebio 396 (Portugal)
    14 Ronaldo 367 (Brazil)
    15 Gerd Müller 344 (Germany)
    16 Marco van Basten 341 (Holland)
    19 Romario 263 (Brazil)
    28= Giuseppe Meazza 157 (Italy)
    31 Leonidas 139 (Brazil)
    37 Thierry Henry 88 (France)
    38= Sandor Kocsis 87 (Hungary)
    47 George Weah 58 (Liberia)
    48 Paolo Rossi 54 (Italy)
    55 Jürgen Klinsmann 42 (Germany)
    59 Josef Bican 37 (Austria/Czechoslovakia)
    60= Just Fontaine 36 (France)
    65= Arsenio Erico 33 (Paraguay)
    67= John Charles 32 (Wales)
    73= Gyorgy Sarosi 28 (Hungary)
    77= Andriy Shevchenko 27 (Ukraine)
    77= Uwe Seeler 27 (Germany)
    80 Gabriel Batistuta 26 (Argentina)
    82= Arthur Friedenreich 24 (Brazil)
    86= Hugo Sanchez 23 (Mexico)
    88 Hristo Stoichkov 22 (Bulgaria)
    97 Gunnar Nordahl 11 (Sweden)
    112= Telmo Zarra 2 (Spain)
    112= Gary Lineker 2 (England)
  10. PDG1978

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    Here is my own top 100 from my recent vote on the same basis as above:

    Goalkeepers
    26) Lev Yashin (Soviet Union)
    34) Peter Schmeichel (Denmark)
    53) Gordon Banks (England)
    93) Peter Shilton (England)
    94) Gianluigi Buffon (Italy)

    Centrebacks / Sweepers
    9) Franz Beckenbauer (Germany)
    19) Bobby Moore (England)
    31) Franco Baresi (Italy)
    44) Matthias Sammer (Germany)
    68) Gaetano Scirea (Italy)
    99) John Charles (Wales)

    Fullbacks
    37) Paolo Maldini (Italy)
    43) Cafu (Brazil)
    59) Carlos Alberto (Brazil)

    Central Midfielders
    8) Zinedine Zidane (France)
    11) Bobby Charlton (England)
    25) Lothar Matthaus (Germany)
    38) Gheorghe Hagi (Romania)
    40) Johan Neeskens (Holland)
    49) Patrick Vieira (France)
    51) Fernando Redondo (Argentina)
    52) Socrates (Brazil)
    54) Duncan Edwards (England)
    55) Frank Rijkaard (Holland)
    63) Paul Gascoigne (England)
    64) Glenn Hoddle (England)
    76) Enzo Scifo (Belgium)
    88) Didi (Brazil)
    98) Kazimierz Deyna (Poland)
    100) Jean Tigana (France)

    Attacking Midfielders
    3) Diego Maradona (Argentina)
    4) Michel Platini (France)
    11) Bobby Charlton (England)
    12) Michael Laudrup (Denmark)
    15) Ronaldinho (Brazil)
    16) Zico (Brazil)
    39) Kaka (Brazil)
    50) Brian Laudrup (Denmark)
    60) Rivaldo (Brazil)
    67) Pavel Nedved (Czech Republic)
    69) Roberto Rivelino (Brazil)
    73) Gianni Rivera (Italy)
    84) Jan Ceulemans (Belgium)

    Side Midfielders / Wingers
    5) George Best (N. Ireland)
    18) Luis Figo (Portugal)
    29) Stanley Matthews (England)
    33) Tom Finney (England)
    35) Garrincha (Brazil)
    46) Dragan Dzajic (Yugoslavia)
    47) Robert Pires (France)
    48) Jairzinho (Brazil)
    58) David Beckham (England)
    66) Ryan Giggs (Wales)
    86) John Barnes (England)
    92) John Robertson (Scotland)

    Support Forwards
    1) Pele (Brazil)
    2) Johan Cruyff (Holland)
    3) Diego Maradona (Argentina)
    7) Alfredo Di Stefano (Argentina)
    14) Ferenc Puskas (Hungary)
    15) Ronaldinho (Brazil)
    16) Zico (Brazil)
    17) Kenny Dalglish (Scotland)
    20) Dejan Savicevic (Yugoslavia)
    22) Dennis Bergkamp (Holland)
    23) Roberto Baggio (Italy)
    27) Karl-Heinz Rummenigge (Germany)
    36) Ruud Gullit (Holland)
    41) Francesco Totti (Italy)
    42) Eric Cantona (France)
    45) Raul (Spain)
    61) Claudio Caniggia (Argentina)
    70) Nandor Hidegkuti (Hungary)
    71) Tostao (Brazil)
    72) Raymond Kopa (France)
    75) Lionel Messi (Argentina)
    77) Giussepe Meazza (Italy)
    78) Ladislao Kubala (Czechoslovakia/Hungary)
    81) Rob Rensenbrink (Holland)
    82) Cristiano Ronaldo (Portugal)
    83) Mario Kempes (Argentina)
    84) Jan Ceulemans (Belgium)
    87) Roger Milla (Cameroon)
    89) Robinho (Brazil)
    90) Gianfranco Zola (Italy)
    97) Pierre Littbarski (Germany)


    Strikers
    1) Pele (Brazil)
    6) Marco van Basten (Holland)
    10) Eusebio (Portugal)
    13) Ronaldo (Brazil)
    14) Ferenc Puskas (Hungary)
    21) George Weah (Liberia)
    24) Thierry Henry (France)
    28) Andriy Shevchenko (Ukraine)
    30) Gerd Muller (Germany)
    32) Jurgen Klinsmann (Germany)
    56) Romario (Brazil)
    57) Gary Lineker (England)
    62) Gabriel Batistuta (Argentina)
    65) Henrik Larsson (Sweden)
    74) Just Fontaine (France)
    77) Giussepe Meazza (Italy)
    79) Jimmy Greaves (England)
    80) Denis Law (Scotland)
    85) Preben Elkjaer (Denmark)
    87) Roger Milla (Cameroon)
    91) Davor Suker (Croatia)
    95) Paolo Rossi (Italy)
    96) Hristo Stoichkov (Bulgaria)
    99) John Charles (Wales)
  11. braine

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    I do NOT change my top 50 but just add another 50 players that IMO deserve to be in a top 100-all time.
    here are the 50 players in alphabetical order :

    ABEDI PELÉ (Ghana)
    ALBERT, Florian (Hungary)
    BATISTUTA, Gabriel (Argentina)
    BERGKAMP, Dennis (Holland)
    BICAN, Josef (Austria)
    BONIEK, Zbigniew (Poland)
    BOZSIK, Joszef (Hungary)
    BREITNER, Paul (Germany)
    BUTRAGUEÑO, Emilio (Spain)
    CARLOS ALBERTO (Brazil)
    CARECA, Antonio (Brazil)
    CANTONÁ, Éric (France)
    CHARLES, John (Wales)
    DALGLISH, Kenny (Scotland)
    DESAILLY, Marcel (France)
    DJALMA SANTOS (Brazil)
    DZAJIC, Dragan (Yugoslavia)
    FALCAO (Brazil)
    FIGO, Luis (Portugal)
    FRANCESCOLI, Enzo (Uruguay)
    GIGGS, Ryan (Wales)
    GREAVES, Jimmy (England)
    HAGI, Gheorghe (Romania)
    JAIRZINHO (Brazil)
    LAW, Denis (Scotland)
    LUBANSKI, Wlodimierz (Poland)
    NESTA, Alessandro (Italy)
    NILTON SANTOS (Brazil)
    NORDAHL, Gunnar (Sweden)
    MAIER, Sepp (Germany)
    MASOPUST, Josef (Czechoslovakia)
    PASSARELLA, Daniel (Argentina)
    RAÚL (Spain)
    REDONDO, Fernando (Argentina)
    RENSENBRINK, Rob (Holland)
    RIJKAARD, Frank (Holland)
    RIVALDO (Brazil)
    RUMMENIGGE, Karl-Heinz (Germany)
    SÁNCHEZ, Hugo (Mexico)
    SAVICEVIC, Dejan (Yugoslavia)
    SCHMEICHEL, Peter (Denmark)
    SCIREA, Gaetano (Italy)
    SHEVCHENKO, Andriy (Ukraine)
    SÍVORI, Omar (Argentina)
    STOICHKOV, Hristo (Bulgaria)
    SUKER, Davor (Croatia)
    TOSTAO (Brazil)
    VAN HIMST, Paul (Belgium)
    WEAH, George (Liberia)
    ZIZINHO (Brazil)

    Yesterday I've found at the net another top50 with details of the players:
    http://www.xtratime.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-247416.html
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  13. PDG1978

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    Thanks Braine. I will check the honourable mentions list I did before and see if any of these players need to be added. The link is interesting and Dearman has put a lot of work in - he posts on Big Soccer too doesn't he (and is that Peru with the resume too?). I could include his top 50 in this vote too perhaps (and his 6 honourable mentions though actually they all have votes already)? Lubanski, Florian Albert, Abedi Pele and your countryman van Himst look to be the new mentions but I'll check again before I update the list. EDIT - at least Nesta and Careca too I think.
  14. PDG1978

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    I'm picking a team Couper - there's nearly 90 players to choose from and about 20 managers. The players are specified as defenders, midfielders and attackers (plus goalies obviously) but although the likes of Garrincha, Best and Finney are down as forwards you can't pick a 4-2-4 (I wouldn't have done but it does stop you picking those sorts of players wide in a 4-4-2 - you can choose 2-3-5 though). Maradona and Cruyff have to be forwards as do Pele and Di Stefano so I'm going with a 4-3-2-1 which lets you pick 3 forwards as does 4-3-3 or 3-4-3 obviously. A better system might be to let you pick your own formation and players and put players where you want but I sort of understand they think it's easier this way. With wide-midfield options reduced by players being specified as forwards I sort of understand why Figo might be in overall so far - I'm deciding not to put him in my midfield though. It's a slightly flawed system but it's not like it's official. I wouldn't really expect Buffon to be in though even though he's obviously a great keeper.
  15. PDG1978

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    I've done the ESPN vote now. Not surprisingly 4-3-2-1 is the most picked formation. I felt in honesty I had to vote for Yashin - Cafu, Beckenbauer, Moore, Maldini - Platini, Zidane, Charlton (did consider Figo for balance but the support fowards are quick and versatile enough; Michael Laudrup and Ranaldinho are also forwards so would have had to go with Figo if I wanted a dribbler in midfield) - Cruyff, Maradona - Pele (couldn't leave out any of those 3 but doesn't seem ideal and means no outright centre-forward or George Best for example)
    For Coach I chose Michels but Ferguson leads the vote.
    The votes for each player are tallied as percentages so not ideal but with that formation the current team (with luckily a reasonably balanced back four) looks like Buffon - Cafu, Beckenbauer, Maldini, R Carlos - Figo, Platini, Zidane - Pele, Maradona - Ronaldo. Zidane has the highest percentage of votes.
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    Actually I mis-read it, 4-2-3-1 with 2 forwards was the number 1 formation, with Giggs as a midfielder currently in the 'Winning Team' and not Ronaldo.
  17. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

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    Adding the bolded ones to the honourable mentions list which is now:

    Domingos Da Guia
    Lilian Thuram
    Gianluigi Buffon
    Pavel Nedved
    Marcel Desailly
    Denis Law
    Josef Masopust
    Ryan Giggs
    Jimmy Greaves
    Kazimierz Deyna
    Rob Rensenbrink
    John Robertson
    Roger Milla
    Preben Elkjaer
    Jean Tigana
    Jan Ceulemans
    Glenn Hoddle
    Pierre Littbarski
    John Barnes
    Enzo Scifo
    Claudio Caniggia
    Paul Gascoigne
    Gianfranco Zola
    Davor Suker
    Henrik Larsson
    David Beckham
    Robinho
    Ruud van Nistelrooy
    Johnny Rep
    Wolfgang Overath
    Paul Breitner
    Ademir Marques de Menezes
    Angel Labruna
    Javier Zanetti
    Claude Makalele
    Luis Monti
    Fernando Peyroteo
    Alberto Spencer
    Cesar Cueto
    Ricardo Zamora
    Paul van Himst
    Wlodzmierz Lubanski
    Alessandro Nesta
    Careca
    Abedi Pele
    Florian Albert
  18. burton

    burton Member

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    Great topic! I will give an overview off the greatest 50 players ever to walked this earth!



    01. Johan Cruijff (Holland) he had it all..grace, speed, instinct...when you saw Cruijff and teammates play, then you saw an orcestra being led by the master himself! Beethoven of the last decade in football! ;)

    02. Pele (Brazil) he was good, real good..but not the best
    03. Diego Maradona (Argentina) awesome player, one off the best ever
    04. Alfredo Di Stéfano (Argentina)
    05. George Best (N Ireland)
    06. Franz Beckenbauer (Germany)
    07. Michel Platini (France)
    08. Marco van Basten (Holland)
    09. Ferenc Puskás (Hungary)
    10. Bergkamp (Holland)
    11. Zinedine Zidane (France)
    12. Garrincha (Brazil)
    13. Ronaldo (Brazil)
    14. Bobby Charlton (England)
    15. Lev Yashin (Soviet Union)
    16. Leonidas (Brazil)
    17. Duncan Edwards (England)
    18. Romário (Brazil)
    19. Paolo Maldini (Italy)
    20. Lothar Matthäus (Germany)
    21. Messi (Argentina) - he will get higher with the years
    22. Gerd Müller (Germany)
    23. José Manuel Moreno (Argentina)
    24. Giuseppe Meazza (Italy)
    25. Didí (Brazil)
    26. Roberto Carlos (Brazil)
    27. Henry (France)
    28. Bobby Moore (England)
    29. Raymond Kopa (France)
    30. Ruud Gullit (Holland)
    31. Rivelino (Brazil)
    32. Cafú (Brazil)
    33. Stanley Matthews (England)
    34. Dino Zoff (Italy)
    35. Ronaldinho (Brazil)
    36. Fritz Walter (Germany)
    37. Ryan Giggs (Wales)
    38. Gordon Banks (England)
    39. Piet Keizer (Holland)
    40. Giacinto Facchetti (Italy)
    41. José Manuel Moreno (Argentina)
    42. Rijkaard (Holland)
    43. Gianni Rivera (Italy)
    42. Luis Suárez (Spain)
    44. Eusebio (Portugal)
    45. Edgar Davids (Holland)
    47. Michael Laudrup (Denmark)
    48. Alessandro Mazzola (Italy)
    49. Francisco Gento (Spain)
    50. Just Fontaine (France)
  19. PDG1978

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    Thanks Burton, I've added your votes to the totals to give the following current standings:
    1 Pele 548
    2= Diego Maradona 529
    2= Johan Cruyff 529
    4 Alfredo Di Stéfano 512
    5 Franz Beckenbauer 496
    6 Michel Platini 480
    7 Ferenc Puskás 477
    8 Garrincha 441
    9 George Best 437
    10 Zinedine Zidane 414
    11 Bobby Charlton 408
    12 Ronaldo 405
    13 Eusebio 402
    14 Zico 391
    15 Marco van Basten 384
    16 Gerd Müller 373
    17 Lev Yashin 324
    18 Bobby Moore 298
    19 Romario 296
    20 Paolo Maldini 282
    21 Lothar Matthäus 267
    22 Franco Baresi 251
    23 Didí 236
    24 Stanley Matthews 226
    25 Ruud Gullit 220
    26 Rivelino 200
    27 Roberto Baggio 187
    28 Giuseppe Meazza 184
    29 Leonidas 174
    30 Ronaldinho 164
    31 José Manuel Moreno 161
    32 Zizinho 157
    33 Raymond Kopa 156
    34 Dennis Bergkamp 116
    35 Thierry Henry 112
    36 Fritz Walter 111
    37 Ladislao Kubala 104
    38= Karl-Heinz Rummenigge 95
    38= Gianni Rivera 95
    38= Lionel Messi 95
    41 Dino Zoff 94
    42 Sandor Kocsis 87
    43 Kenny Dalglish 70
    44 Matthias Sindelar 67
    45 Rivaldo 65
    46= Peter Schmeichel 59
    46= Roberto Carlos 59
    46= Duncan Edwards 59
    49 George Weah 58
    50 Michael Laudrup 55
    51 Paolo Rossi 54
    52= Adolfo Pedernera 51
    52= Johan Neeskens 51
    54 Luís Figo 50
    55 Daniel Passarella 49
    56 Cafú 46
    57 Gordon Banks 45
    58= Omar Sivori 43
    58= Sandro Mazzola 43
    58= Luis Suarez 43
    58= Frank Rijkaard 43
    58= Giacinto Facchetti 43
    63 Jürgen Klinsmann 42
    64 Juan Alberto Schiaffino 41
    65 Elías Figueroa 38
    66= Josef Bican 37
    66= Just Fontaine 37
    68 Hector Scarone 36
    69= Arsenio Erico 33
    69= Teófilo Cubillas 33
    71= John Charles 32
    71= Mario Kempes 32

    73= Dejan Savicevic 31
    73= Kaká 31
    75= Gheorghe Hagi 28
    75= Nilton Santos 28
    75= Gyorgy Sarosi 28
    75= Falcao 28
    79= Andriy Shevchenko 27
    79= Uwe Seeler 27
    81 Gabriel Batistuta 26
    82= Carlos Alberto 24
    82= Jairzinho 24
    82= Dragan Dzajic 24
    82= Artur Friedenreich 24
    86= Valentino Mazzola 23
    86= Hugo Sanchez 23
    88 Hristo Stoichkov 22
    89 José Leandro Andrade 21
    90= Tom Finney 18
    90= Cristiano Ronaldo 18
    92 Jozsef Bozsik 16
    93 Nándor Hidegkuti 15
    94 Francisco Gento 14
    94= Ryan Giggs 14
    96= Tostao 12
    96= Kevin Keegan 12
    96= Piet Keizer 12
    99 Gunnar Nordahl 11
    100= Djalma Santos
    10
    100= Francesco Totti 10
    100= Gaetano Scirea 10
    103= Emilio Butragueño 9
    103= Eric Cantona 9
    105= Zbigniew Boniek 8
    105= Sepp Maier 8
    107= Enzo Francescoli 7
    107= Matthias Sammer 7
    107= Oliver Kahn 7
    110 Raul 6
    111= Fabio Cannavaro 5
    111= Edgar Davids 5
    113= Robert Pires 4
    113= Gerson 4
    115= Telmo Zarra 2
    115= Patrick Vieira 2
    115= Gary Lineker 2
    118= Fernando Redondo 1
    118= Socrates 1
    118= Brian Laudrup 1
    I've counted your votes in the order you listed but I noticed Moreno in 2 places so at the minute I've not included a vote for 41st place - you can adjust the vote if you like to insert another player somewhere.
  20. braine

    braine Member

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    @ Burton

    NO Zico ??? Forgotten or do you find him overrated ?
  21. babaorum

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    Burton,

    You picked Jose Manuel Moreno twice.
  22. schwuppe

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    @ESPN Greatest Team of All Time:
    I hate the formation restriction. :rolleyes:
    4 - 3 - 2 -1 is the only way to have Cruyff - Maradona - Pele and I really don't want to leave any of them out.

    Manager: Michels
    Yashin
    Facchetti - Beckenbauer - Moore - Maldini
    Varela - Platini - Matthäus
    Maradona - Cruyff
    Pele

    My actual choice would be:
    Yashin
    Djalma Santos - Beckenbauer - Moore - Maldini
    Didi - Matthäus
    Maradona - Di Stefano - Cruyff
    Pele


    Oh the winning team is a joke ... Ryan Giggs :D
  23. PDG1978

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    Dearman's Top 50 (As on Xtratime):
    1. PELÉ (Brazil)
    2. MARADONA, Diego (Argentina)
    3. CRUYFF, Johan (Holland)
    4. BECKENBAUER, Franz (Germany)
    5. DI STÉFANO, Alfredo (Argentina)
    6. PLATINI, Michel (France)
    7. PUSKÁS, Ferenc (Hungary)
    8. GARRINCHA (Brazil)
    9. ZICO (Brazil)
    10. ZIDANE, Zinedine (France)
    11. YASHIN, Lev (Soviet Union)
    12. RONALDO (Brazil)
    13. EUSÉBIO (Portugal)
    14. MÜLLER, Gerd (Germany)
    15. BEST, George (Northern Ireland)
    16. VAN BASTEN, Marco (Holland)
    17. CHARLTON, Bobby (England)
    18. MATTHEWS, Stanley (England)
    19. MALDINI, Paolo (Italy)
    20. MOORE, Bobby (England)
    21. ROMÁRIO (Brazil)
    22. ZOFF, Dino (Italy)
    23. DIDÍ (Brazil)
    24. MEAZZA, Giuseppe (Italy)
    25. MATTHÄUS, Lothar (Germany)
    26. MORENO, José Manuel (Argentina)
    27. ZIZINHO (Brazil)
    28. RIVELINO, Roberto (Brazil)
    29. BAGGIO, Roberto (Italy)
    30. BARESI, Franco (Italy)
    31. WALTER, Fritz (Germany)
    32. SEELER, Uwe (Germany)
    33. KUBALA, László (Czechoslovakia/Hungary)
    34. GULLIT, Ruud (Holland)
    35. RUMMENIGGE, Karl-Heinz (Germany)
    36. LEONIDAS (Brazil)
    37. SINDELAR, Matthias (Austria)
    38. RIVERA, Gianni (Italy)
    39. KOCSIS, Sándor (Hungary)
    40. KOPA, Raymond (France)
    41. TOSTAO (Brazil)
    42. PEDERNERA, Adolfo (Argentina)
    43. SUÁREZ, Luis (Spain)
    44. RIVALDO (Brazil)
    45. PASSARELLA, Daniel (Argentina)
    46. JAIRZINHO (Brazil)
    47. NORDAHL, Gunnar (Sweden)
    48. FACCHETTI, Giacinto (Italy)
    49. DZAJIC, Dragan (Yugoslavia)
    50. BICAN, Josef (Austria/Czechoslovakia)
    and honourable mentions
    - LAUDRUP, Michael (Denmark)
    - BANKS, Gordon (England)
    - FIGO, Luís (Portugal)
    - NILTON SANTOS (Brazil)
    - SCIREA, Gaetano (Italy)
    - RIJKAARD, Frank (Holland)
    So adding that top 50 to this thread changes the standings to this (from 12 votes):
    1 Pele 598
    2 Diego Maradona 578
    3 Johan Cruyff 577
    4 Alfredo Di Stéfano 558
    5 Franz Beckenbauer 543
    6 Michel Platini 525
    7 Ferenc Puskás 521
    8 Garrincha 484
    9 George Best 473
    10 Zinedine Zidane 455
    11 Ronaldo 444
    12 Bobby Charlton 442
    13 Eusebio 440
    14 Zico 433
    15 Marco van Basten 419
    16 Gerd Müller 410
    17 Lev Yashin 364
    18 Bobby Moore 329
    19 Romario 326
    20 Paolo Maldini 314
    21 Lothar Matthäus 293
    22 Franco Baresi 272
    23 Didí 264
    24 Stanley Matthews 259
    25 Ruud Gullit 237
    26 Rivelino 223
    27 Giuseppe Meazza 211
    28 Roberto Baggio 209
    29 Leonidas 189
    30 José Manuel Moreno 186
    31 Zizinho 181
    32 Raymond Kopa 167
    33 Ronaldinho 164
    34 Fritz Walter 131
    35 Dino Zoff 123
    36 Ladislao Kubala 122
    37 Dennis Bergkamp 116
    38 Thierry Henry 112
    39 Karl-Heinz Rummenigge 111
    40 Gianni Rivera 108
    41 Sandor Kocsis 99
    42 Lionel Messi 95
    43 Matthias Sindelar 81
    44 Rivaldo 72
    45 Kenny Dalglish 70
    46 Adolfo Pedernera 60
    47= Peter Schmeichel 59
    47= Roberto Carlos 59
    47= Duncan Edwards 59
    50 George Weah 58
    51= Michael Laudrup 55
    51= Daniel Passarella 55
    53 Paolo Rossi 54
    54= Johan Neeskens 51
    54= Luis Suarez 51
    56 Luís Figo 50
    57= Cafú 46
    57= Giacinto Facchetti 46
    57= Uwe Seeler 46
    60 Gordon Banks 45
    61= Omar Sivori 43
    61= Sandro Mazzola 43
    61= Frank Rijkaard 43
    64 Jürgen Klinsmann 42
    65 Juan Alberto Schiaffino 41
    66= Elías Figueroa 38
    66= Josef Bican 38
    68 Just Fontaine 37
    69 Hector Scarone 36
    70= Arsenio Erico 33
    70= Teófilo Cubillas 33
    72= John Charles 32
    72= Mario Kempes 32

    74= Dejan Savicevic 31
    74= Kaká 31
    76 Jairzinho 29
    77= Gheorghe Hagi 28
    77= Nilton Santos 28
    77= Gyorgy Sarosi 28
    77= Falcao 28
    81 Andriy Shevchenko 27
    82= Gabriel Batistuta 26
    82= Dragan Dzajic 26
    84= Carlos Alberto 24
    84= Artur Friedenreich 24
    86= Valentino Mazzola 23
    86= Hugo Sanchez 23
    88= Hristo Stoichkov 22
    88= Tostao 22
    90 José Leandro Andrade 21
    91= Tom Finney 18
    91= Cristiano Ronaldo 18
    93 Jozsef Bozsik 16
    94= Nándor Hidegkuti 15
    94= Gunnar Nordahl 15
    96= Francisco Gento 14
    96= Ryan Giggs 14
    98= Kevin Keegan 12
    98= Piet Keizer 12
    100= Djalma Santos 10
    100= Francesco Totti 10
    100= Gaetano Scirea 10
    103= Emilio Butragueño 9
    103= Eric Cantona 9
    105= Zbigniew Boniek 8
    105= Sepp Maier 8
    107= Enzo Francescoli 7
    107= Matthias Sammer 7
    107= Oliver Kahn 7
    110 Raul 6
    111= Fabio Cannavaro 5
    111= Edgar Davids 5
    113= Robert Pires 4
    113= Gerson 4
    115= Telmo Zarra 2
    115= Patrick Vieira 2
    115= Gary Lineker 2
    118= Fernando Redondo 1
    118= Socrates 1
    118= Brian Laudrup 1
  24. DanFla

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    My top 50

    1 Pele
    2 Diego Maradona
    3 Garrincha
    4 Cruiff
    5 Franz Beckenbauer
    6 Ferenc Puskás
    7 Zico
    8 Romário
    9 Platini
    10 George Best
    11 Nilton Santos
    12 Alfredo Di Stéfano
    13 Van Basten
    14 Lev Yashin
    15 Ronaldo
    16 Didi
    17 Leônidas
    18 Zinedine Zidane
    19 Eusebio
    20 Falcao
    21 Bobby Charlton
    22 Gerd Müller
    23 Baresi
    24 Rivelino
    25 Lothar Matthäus
    26 Junior
    27 Zizinho
    28 Ruud Gullit
    29 Giuseppe Meazza
    30 Carlos Alberto Torres
    31 Zagallo
    32 Batistuta
    33 Karl-Heinz Rummenigge
    34 Domingos da Guia
    35 Sócrates
    36 Bebeto
    37 Paolo Maldini
    38 Paolo Rossi
    39 Daniel Passarella
    40 Gordon Banks
    41 Frank Rijkaard
    42 Careca
    43 Leandro
    44 Ronaldinho
    45 Messi
    46 Fillol
    47 Jürgen Klinsmann
    48 Jorginho
    49 Mario Kempes
    50 Arthur Friedenreich
  25. PDG1978

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    Thanks for the vote DanFla. The new standings:
    1 Pele 648
    2 Diego Maradona 627
    3 Johan Cruyff 624
    4 Alfredo Di Stéfano 597
    5 Franz Beckenbauer 589
    6 Michel Platini 567
    7 Ferenc Puskás 566
    8 Garrincha 532
    9 George Best 514
    10 Zinedine Zidane 488
    11 Ronaldo 480
    12 Zico 477
    13= Bobby Charlton 472
    13= Eusebio 472
    15 Marco van Basten 457
    16 Gerd Müller 439
    17 Lev Yashin 401
    18 Romario 369
    19 Bobby Moore 329
    20 Paolo Maldini 328
    21 Lothar Matthäus 319
    22 Franco Baresi 300
    23 Didí 299
    24 Ruud Gullit 260
    25 Stanley Matthews 259
    26 Rivelino 250
    27 Giuseppe Meazza 233
    28 Leonidas 223
    29 Roberto Baggio 209
    30 Zizinho 205
    31 José Manuel Moreno 186
    32 Ronaldinho 171
    33 Raymond Kopa 167
    34 Fritz Walter 131
    35 Karl-Heinz Rummenigge 129
    36 Dino Zoff 123
    37 Ladislao Kubala 122
    38 Dennis Bergkamp 116
    39 Thierry Henry 112
    40 Gianni Rivera 108
    41 Lionel Messi 101
    42 Sandor Kocsis 99
    43 Matthias Sindelar 81
    44 Rivaldo 72
    45 Kenny Dalglish 70
    46 Nilton Santos 68
    47= Daniel Passarella 67
    47= Paolo Rossi 67
    49 Adolfo Pedernera 60
    50= Peter Schmeichel 59
    50= Roberto Carlos 59
    50= Duncan Edwards 59
    50= Falcao 59
    54 George Weah 58
    55 Gordon Banks 56
    56 Michael Laudrup 55
    57 Frank Rijkaard 53
    58= Johan Neeskens 51
    58= Luis Suarez 51
    60 Luís Figo 50
    61= Cafú 46
    61= Giacinto Facchetti 46
    61= Uwe Seeler 46
    61= Jürgen Klinsmann 46
    65= Gabriel Batistuta 45
    65= Carlos Alberto 45
    67= Omar Sivori 43
    67= Sandro Mazzola 43
    69 Juan Alberto Schiaffino 41
    70= Elías Figueroa 38
    70= Josef Bican 38
    72 Just Fontaine 37
    73 Hector Scarone 36
    74 Mario Kempes 34
    75= Arsenio Erico 33
    75= Teófilo Cubillas 33
    77 John Charles 32
    78= Dejan Savicevic 31
    78= Kaká 31
    80 Jairzinho 29
    81= Gheorghe Hagi 28
    81= Gyorgy Sarosi 28
    83 Andriy Shevchenko 27
    84 Dragan Dzajic 26
    85= Artur Friedenreich 25
    85= Junior 25
    87= Valentino Mazzola 23
    87= Hugo Sanchez 23
    89= Hristo Stoichkov 22
    89= Tostao 22
    91 José Leandro Andrade 21
    92 Mario Zagallo 20
    93= Tom Finney 18
    93= Cristiano Ronaldo 18
    95= Socrates 17
    95=Domingos da Guia 17
    97 Jozsef Bozsik 16
    98= Nándor Hidegkuti 15
    98= Gunnar Nordahl 15
    98= Bebeto 15
    101= Francisco Gento 14
    101= Ryan Giggs 14
    103= Kevin Keegan 12
    103= Piet Keizer 12
    105= Djalma Santos 10
    105= Francesco Totti 10
    105= Gaetano Scirea 10
    108= Emilio Butragueño 9
    108= Eric Cantona 9
    108= Careca 9
    111= Zbigniew Boniek 8
    111= Sepp Maier 8
    111= Leandro 8
    114= Enzo Francescoli 7
    114= Matthias Sammer 7
    114= Oliver Kahn 7
    117 Raul 6
    118= Fabio Cannavaro 5
    118= Edgar Davids 5
    118= Ubaldo Fillol 5
    121= Robert Pires 4
    121= Gerson 4
    123 Jorginho 3
    124= Telmo Zarra 2
    124= Patrick Vieira 2
    124= Gary Lineker 2
    127= Fernando Redondo 1
    127= Brian Laudrup 1

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