Daily Mail Top 50 players ever

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  1. lionmessi

    lionmessi Member

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    cant fukin believe how overrated zidane is by almost everybody


  2. monte72

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    the product of lazy journalism i suspect ,this reeks of familiarity and anglocentrism. even the dm's own jeff powell wouldnt go with this and those perculiar placings.....its like tim vickery talking about the great players when he actually has never seen any of them play as he's barely in his 40's.take it with a pinch of salt the names are there just in the wrong places
    3 of the 10 are there not on merit but on familiarity and arguably bias,take a look at similar lists from around the world s.america,europe and there different from this ,considerably so.the best lists of players are from writers who have actually seen all the players there talking about.

    poor quality as previously mentioned
  3. Domzy_7

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    I'd say zidane is underrated a 5th. I'm going to be controversial and say he's first. Yes, the best playerof all time. I dont know how some people can have forgotten how good he was already. Even if you took the 3x World Player of the Year and ballon d'or awards, Champions League win, World Cup and European Championship wins away you'd still have one of the most gracefull and natural footballers ever.
  4. JamesBH11

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    If taken those away? Then that would leave Zidane with empty pocket and he would HARDLY to make his name in to legend list - NO ONE would remember Zidane - just like his early years 93-96 !


  5. couper99

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    My vote:

    1 Pele (50 pts)
    2 Alfredo Di Stefano (49)
    3 Johan Cruyff (48)
    4 Diego Maradona(47)
    5 Ferenc Puskas (46)
    6 Garrincha (45)
    7 Michel Platini (44)
    8 Bobby Charlton (43)
    9 George Best (42)
    10 Franz Beckenbauer (41)
    11 Zico (40)
    12 Bobby Moore (39)
    13 Lev Yashin (38)
    14 Ronaldo (37)
    15 Lionel Messi (36)
    16 Eusebio (35)
    17 Romario (34)
    18 Franco Baresi (33)
    19 Zinedine Zidane (32)
    20 Marco Van Basten (31)
    21 Kaka (30)
    22 Kenny Dalglish (29)
    23 Ronaldinho (28)
    24 Gerd Muller (27)
    25 Stanley Matthews (26)
    26 Roberto Rivelino (25)
    27 Lothar Matthaus (24)
    28 Paolo Rossi (23)
    29 Jurgen Klinsmann (22)
    30 Roberto Baggio (21)
    31 Johan Neeskens (20)
    32 Peter Schmeichel (19)
    33 Sandro Mazzola (18)
    34 Paolo Maldini (17)
    35 Mario Kempes (16)
    36 Gheorghe Hagi (15)
    37 Thierry Henry (14)
    38 Ruud Gullit (13)
    39 Cristiano Ronaldo (12)
    40 Hristo Stoichkov (11)
    41 Dennis Bergkamp (10)
    42 Emilio Butragueno (9)
    43 Zbigniew Boniek (8)
    44 John Charles (7)
    45 Gabriel Batistuta (6)
    46 George Weah (5)
    47 Michael Laudrup (4)
    48 Enzo Francescoli (3)
    49 Francisco Gento (2)
    50 Andriy Shevchenko (1)

    some other players deserving perhaps to be in this list:
    Gianni Rivera
    Omar Sivori
    Nilton Santos
    Gordon Banks
    Socrates
    Passarella
    Caniggia
    Zizinho
    Giggs
    van Nistelrooy
    Tigana
    Leonidas
    Gerson
    Tostao
    Rensenbrink
    Rep
    Overath
    Breitner
    Rummenigge
    Cubillas
    Hugo Sanchez
    Luis Figo
    Rivaldo
  6. PDG1978

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    Thanks Couper, I'll update the overall points now:

    Pelé – 349
    [FONT=&quot]Diego Maradona - 338
    Johan Cruyff – 338[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Alfredo Di Stéfano - 318
    Franz Beckenbauer - 309
    Michel Platini – 306[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Ferenc Puskás – 300[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]George Best - 286[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Zinedine Zidane - 277
    Zico – 276[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Garrincha - 274
    Bobby Charlton - 266
    Ronaldo - 257[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Marco van Basten - 252
    Eusébio - 252
    Gerd Müller – 217[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Lev Yashin – 212[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Romário - 193
    Bobby Moore - 184[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Paolo Maldini - 173[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Franco Baresi – 170[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Lothar Matthäus - 144[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Ronaldinho - 141[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Stanley Matthews – 139
    [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Rivelino - 137[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Roberto Baggio - 135[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Ruud Gullit - 134[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Thierry Henry - 118
    Didí - 109
    Leonidas – 85[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Dennis Bergkamp – 81
    [FONT=&quot]Peter Schmeichel - 80[/FONT][/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Lionel Messi - 74[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Giuseppe Meazza - 73[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Kenny Dalglish – 71[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Jürgen Klinsmann - 65
    Michael Laudrup – 64[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Kaká - 58[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]George Weah – 53[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Johan Neeskens - 53[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Sándor Kocsis - 52[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Paolo Rossi - 52[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Fritz Walter - 50
    [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Rivaldo - 47[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
    Gheorghe Hagi - 46[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]José Manuel Moreno – 44[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Daniel Passarella – 44[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Elías Figueroa - 44
    John Charles - 43
    [/FONT]Sandro Mazzola - 43
    [FONT=&quot]Matthias Sindelar – 40[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Gianni Rivera - 40
    Cristiano Ronaldo - 38
    Roberto Carlos - 37
    Hector Scarone – 36[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Karl-Heinz Rummenigge - 36
    Luís Figo - 35
    Duncan Edwards - 35
    Arsenio Erico – 33[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Zizinho – 33[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Mario Kempes - 33
    [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Raymond Kopa - 32
    Gabriel Batistuta - 32
    Dejan Savicevic - 31
    Josef Bican - 30
    Teófilo Cubillas – 30[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]José Leandro Andrade - 30
    Andriy Shevchenko - 29
    Luis Suárez - 27
    Hristo Stoichkov - 27
    Francisco Gento - 27
    Juan Alberto Schiaffino - 26
    Uwe Seeler - 24
    Adolfo Pedernera – 24[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Carlos Alberto - 24
    Ladislao Kubala - 23
    Valentino Mazzola - 23
    Emilio Butragueño - 21[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Cafú - 19
    Imre Schlosser - 18
    Hugo Sanchez - 18
    Zbigniew Boniek - 17[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Just Fontaine - 15
    Omar Sivori – 15[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Nándor Hidegkuti – 15[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Nilton Santos -15
    Ruud Krol - 14
    Fernando Redondo - 14
    Gunnar Nordahl - 12
    Roy Keane – 12[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Djalma Santos - 12
    Javier Zanetti - 11
    Enzo Francescoli - 11
    Tostao - 8[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]József Bozsik - 5[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
    Giacinto Facchetti - 4
    Dino Zoff - 3
    Telmo Zarra – 2[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Falcao - 2[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
    Artur Friedenreich - 1[/FONT]
  7. PDG1978

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    Couper, I noticed you used the 50 players given by the Mail for your vote. Upon request I changed the thread to a free-for-all Top 50 vote using any players. I had already voted so just changed mine by inserting two players and mentioning other candidates in a seperate post. I kept the Mail's ranking as 1 vote too but everybody else has been voting based on any player to play the game. So I don't mind if you want to alter your vote to include some of those other players you mentioned in whichever positions you want. I can easily re-do the updated rankings if you want to. After you've decided I'll do a post to show all the players with an honourable mention from myself, Peru FC and you (unless you include all of those 23 players in your top 50) but without any points as yet.
  8. JamesBH11

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    For the names in bold, will be replaced by the likes: N.Santos, Rummenigge, Breitner, Gerson, Tostao, Leonidas, Sivori , Rivera Cubilas Zizinho
  9. schwuppe

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    You forgot to bold Butragueno, Francescoli and Klinsmann.
  10. couper99

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    ok, then here is my updated list:

    1 Pele (50 pts)
    2 Alfredo Di Stefano (49)
    3 Johan Cruyff (48)
    4 Diego Maradona(47)
    5 Ferenc Puskas (46)
    6 Garrincha (45)
    7 Michel Platini (44)
    8 Bobby Charlton (43)
    9 George Best (42)
    10 Franz Beckenbauer (41)
    11 Zico (40)
    12 Bobby Moore (39)
    13 Lev Yashin (38)
    14 Ronaldo (37)
    15 Lionel Messi (36)
    16 Eusebio (35)
    17 Romario (34)
    18 Franco Baresi (33)
    19 Zinedine Zidane (32)
    20 Marco Van Basten (31)
    21 Didi (30)
    22 Kenny Dalglish (29)
    23 Ronaldinho (28)
    24 Gerd Muller (27)
    25 Stanley Matthews (26)
    26 Roberto Rivelino (25)
    27 Lothar Matthaus (24)
    28 Zizinho (23)
    29 Roberto Baggio(22)
    30 Giacchinto Facchetti (21)
    31 Johan Neeskens (20)
    32 Gordon Banks (19)
    33 Sandro Mazzola (18)
    34 Paolo Maldini (17)
    35 Fritz Walter (16)
    36 Leonidas (15)
    37 Gianni Rivera (14)
    38 Ruud Gullit (13)
    39 Raymond Kopa (12)
    40 Hristo Stoichkov (11)
    41 Ladislao Kubala (10)
    42 Karl-Heinz Rummenigge (9)
    43 Omar Sivori (8)
    44 Nilton Santos (7)
    45 Gabriel Batistuta (6)
    46 Hugo Sanchez (5)
    47 Michael Laudrup (4)
    48 Uwe Seeler (3)
    49 Francisco Gento (2)
    50 Socrates (1)

    actually it is very hard to make the list, especially in the lower places. its just so many great players
  11. PDG1978

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    Very true. I see you kept the top 20 the same but had a rethink on the other places. I'll adjust the current standings now.
  12. PDG1978

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    Adjusting the current standings after Couper's re-vote (quoting my initial update and adjusting the points in there)
  13. PDG1978

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    There are 102 players with votes now - it was a round 100 before Banks and Socrates were added just now. 37 of the current top 50 were in the original top 50.
  14. argentine soccer fan

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    Ok, I guess because of the limited number of players I'll probably be biased towards the creative and attacking players, but I'll try to include at least a few of the best defensive players as well. I won't include any goalies, though, as it's impossible to compare their value to field players in relative terms. Lets see...

    Pele (50)
    Diego Maradona (49)
    Alfredo Di Stefano (48)
    Franz Beckenbauer (47)
    Johan Cruyff (46)
    Garrincha (45)
    Michel Platini (44)
    Didi (43)
    Eusebio (42)
    Herd Muller (41)
    Ferenc Puskas (40)
    Jose Manuel Moreno (39)
    Zizinho (38)
    George Best (37)
    Zico (36)
    Marco Van Basten (35)
    Lothar Matthaus (34)
    Paolo Maldini (33)
    Frank Rijkaard (32)
    Romario (31)
    Ladislao Kubala (30)
    Daniel Passarella (29)
    Franco Baressi (28)
    Bobby Charlton (27)
    Zinedine Zidane (26)
    Ronaldo (25)
    Sandor Kocsis (24)
    Stanley Matthews (23)
    Gianni Rivera (22)
    Jairzinho (21)
    Omar Sivori (20)
    Dragan Dzajic (19)
    Bobby Moore (18)
    Roberto Rivelino (17)
    Giuseppe Meazza (16)
    Raymond Kopa (15)
    Ruud Gullit (14)
    Roberto Baggio (13)
    Falcao (12)
    Joszef Bozsik (11)
    Leonidas (10)
    Adolfo Pedernera (9)
    Mattias Sindelar (8)
    Karl Heinz Rummeinge (7)
    Josef Bican (6)
    Gabriel Batistuta (5)
    Tostao (4)
    Fritz Walter (3)
    Luis Suarez (2)
    Fernando Redondo (1)
  15. PDG1978

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    Thanks for the vote ASF. I was just compiling the current honourable mentions and already it's outdated as Jairzinho and Dzajic now have votes! I'll adjust it tomorrow with the current points too. EDIT Rijkaard is another with points now, so off the honouable mentions list too.
  16. PDG1978

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    Honourable mentions so far: (before ASF's vote)
    Domingos Da Guia
    Steven Gerrard
    Frank Rijkaard
    Lilian Thuram
    Gianluigi Buffon
    Pavel Nedved
    Obdulio Varela
    Marcel Desailly
    Patrick Vieira
    Sepp Maier
    Denis Law
    Alessando Del Piero
    Francesco Totti
    Alessandro Nesta
    Edgar Davids
    Josef Masopust
    Eric Cantona
    Ricardo Bochini
    Oliver Kahn
    Oleg Blokhin
    Ryan Giggs
    Tom Finney
    Jimmy Greaves
    Jairzinho
    Dragan Dzajic
    Kazimierz Deyna
    Rob Rensenbrink
    John Robertson
    Gaetano Scirea
    Roger Milla
    Preben Elkjaer
    Jean Tigana
    Jan Ceulemans
    Glenn Hoddle
    Pierre Littbarski
    Gary Lineker
    John Barnes
    Enzo Scifo
    Matthias Sammer
    Claudio Caniggia
    Paul Gascoigne
    Gianfranco Zola
    Davor Suker
    Brian Laudrup
    Henrik Larsson
    Robert Pires
    David Beckham
    Raul
    Robinho
    Ruud van Nistelrooy
    Johnny Rep
    Wolfgang Overath
    Paul Breitner.
    So another 53, included as at least top 100 candidates by a voter or 2.. or 3 (Ryan Giggs for example).
  17. PDG1978

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    Updated standings:
    Pelé – 399
    [FONT=&quot]Diego Maradona - 387[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Johan Cruyff – 384[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Alfredo Di Stéfano - 366[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Franz Beckenbauer - 356[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Michel Platini – 350[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Ferenc Puskás – 340[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]George Best - 323[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Garrincha - 319[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Zico – 312[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Zinedine Zidane - 303[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Eusebio - 294[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Bobby Charlton - 293[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Marco v[/FONT][FONT=&quot]an Basten - 287[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Ronaldo - 282[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Gerd Müller – 258[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Romario - 224[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Lev Yashin – 212[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Paolo Maldini - 206[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Bobby Moore - 202[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Franco Baresi – 198[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Didí - 182[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Lothar Matthäus - 178[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Stanley Matthews – 162[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Rivelino - 154[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Roberto Baggio - 149[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Ruud Gullit - 148[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Ronaldinho - 141[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Leonidas – 110[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Thierry Henry - 104[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Zizinho - 94[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Giuseppe Meazza - 89[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]José Manuel Moreno – 83[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Gianni Rivera - 76[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Sandor Kocsis - 76[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Lionel Messi - 74[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Daniel Passarella – 73[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Kenny Dalglish – 71[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]Dennis Bergkamp – 71[/FONT]
    [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Fritz Walter - 69[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Michael Laudrup – 64[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Ladislao Kubala - 63[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Peter Schmeichel - 61[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Raymond Kopa - 59[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Johan Neeskens - 53[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Karl-Heinz Rummenigge - 52[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]George Weah – 48[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Matthias Sindelar - 48[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Rivaldo - 47[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Elías Figueroa - 44[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Jürgen Klinsmann - 44[/FONT]
    Sandro Mazzola - 43
    [FONT=&quot]Omar Sivori - 43[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Gabriel Batistuta - 37[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Roberto Carlos - 37[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Hector Scarone – 36[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]John Charles - 36[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Josef Bican - 36[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Luís Figo - 35[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Duncan Edwards - 35[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Arsenio Erico – 33[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Adolfo Pedernera - 33[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Frank Rijkaard - 32[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Dejan Savicevic - 31[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Gheorghe Hagi - 31[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Teófilo Cubillas – 30[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]José Leandro Andrade - 30[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Paolo Rossi - 29[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Luis Suarez - 29[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Andriy Shevchenko - 28[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Kaká - 28[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Hristo Stoichkov - 27[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Francisco Gento - 27[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Uwe Seeler - 27[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Juan Alberto Schiaffino - 26[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Cristiano Ronaldo - 26[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Giacinto Facchetti - 25[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Carlos Alberto - 24[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Valentino Mazzola - 23[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Hugo Sanchez - 23[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Nilton Santos -22[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Jairzinho - 21[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Dragan Dzajic - 19[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Cafú - 19[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Gordon Banks - 19[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Imre Schlosser - 18[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Mario Kempes - 17[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Jozsef Bozsik - 16[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Just Fontaine - 15[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Nándor Hidegkuti – 15[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Fernando Redondo - 15[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Ruud Krol - 14[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Falcao - 14[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Emilio Butragueño - 12[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Gunnar Nordahl - 12[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Roy Keane – 12[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Djalma Santos - 12[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Tostao - 12[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Javier Zanetti - 11[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Zbigniew Boniek - 9[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Enzo Francescoli - 8[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Dino Zoff - 3[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Telmo Zarra – 2[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Artur Friedenreich - 1[/FONT]
    Socrates - 1

    And the honourable mentions are now:
    Domingos Da Guia
    Steven Gerrard
    Lilian Thuram
    Gianluigi Buffon
    Pavel Nedved
    Obdulio Varela
    Marcel Desailly
    Patrick Vieira
    Sepp Maier
    Denis Law
    Alessando Del Piero
    Francesco Totti
    Alessandro Nesta
    Edgar Davids
    Josef Masopust
    Eric Cantona
    Ricardo Bochini
    Oliver Kahn
    Oleg Blokhin
    Ryan Giggs
    Tom Finney
    Jimmy Greaves
    Kazimierz Deyna
    Rob Rensenbrink
    John Robertson
    Gaetano Scirea
    Roger Milla
    Preben Elkjaer
    Jean Tigana
    Jan Ceulemans
    Glenn Hoddle
    Pierre Littbarski
    Gary Lineker
    John Barnes
    Enzo Scifo
    Matthias Sammer
    Claudio Caniggia
    Paul Gascoigne
    Gianfranco Zola
    Davor Suker
    Brian Laudrup
    Henrik Larsson
    Robert Pires
    David Beckham
    Raul
    Robinho
    Ruud van Nistelrooy
    Johnny Rep
    Wolfgang Overath
    Paul Breitner
  18. PDG1978

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    After 8 votes, including the Mail's and my own, based on a 4-4-2 formation the players highlighted below make it into the first, second, third and fourth select teams according to their points totals and their best position(s). I've not tried to pair a libero and marker in the teams but just put two centre-backs in. I have gone for a playmaker and a box to box midfielder in midfield and a support striker and centre-forward in attack. The top four in the standings can just fit in the same team I feel, as they'd be pretty much as good in the role they are in (Pele - support striker, Maradona - Playmaker, Cruyff - Left Wing, Di Stefano - Centre-forward) as any alternative role they could play. Pele and Di Stefano are both legendary goalscorers and conveniently Di Stefano is famous as a number 9 and Pele as a number 10, literally in terms of their shirt numbers. As Di Stefano has more points than any alternative centre-forward I think it's correct to do it this way. In reality Di Stefano and Pele would play as a partnership and share playmaking/goalscoring duties so I feel the criteria are still met (not like putting together Arshavin and Robinho, or van Nistelrooy and Vieri for example):
    So in summary at this point:
    Team 1
    Yashin (Soviet Union)
    J. Andrade (Uruguay) * deemed good enough at right-back, otherwise Zanetti in Team 4 with Carlos Alberto in Team 1 etc
    Beckenbauer (Germany)
    Moore (England)
    Maldini (Italy)
    Best (N.Ireland)
    Charlton (England) * deemed ok choice as box to box player though attacking
    Maradona (Argentina)
    Cruyff (Holland)
    Di Stefano (Argentina)
    Pele (Brazil)

    Team 2
    Schmeichel (Denmark)
    Carlos Alberto (Brazil)
    Baresi (Italy)
    Passarella (Argentina)
    Roberto Carlos (Brazil)
    Garrincha (Brazil)
    Matthaus (Germany)
    Platini (France)
    Rivelino (Brazil)
    Eusebio (Portugal)
    Puskas (Hungary)

    Team 3
    Banks (England)
    Cafu (Brazil)
    Charles (Wales)
    Figueroa (Chile)
    Facchetti (Italy)
    Matthews (England)
    Neeskens (Holland)
    Zidane (France)
    Ronaldinho (Brazil) * deemed good enough at left wing otherwise Gento
    van Basten (Holland)
    Zico (Brazil)

    Team 4
    Zoff (Italy)
    D. Santos (Brazil)
    Rijkaard (Holland) * maybe better in midfield?
    Krol (Holland)
    N. Santos (Brazil)
    Gullit (Holland) * deemed good enough at right wing, otherwise Figo as Rummenigge no more of a right-winger than Gullit I feel
    Edwards (England)
    Didi (Brazil)
    M. Laudrup (Denmark) * deemed good enough at left wing otherwise Dzajic, if Gento in team 3
    Ronaldo (Brazil)
    R. Baggio (Italy).
  19. braine

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    My Top 100

    01. Pelé (Brazil)
    02. Diego Maradona (Argentina)
    03. Johan Cruijff (Holland)
    04. Alfredo Di Stéfano (Argentina)
    05. Ferenc Puskás (Hungary)
    06. Franz Beckenbauer (Germany)
    07. Michel Platini (France)
    08. Eusébio (Portugal)
    09. George Best (Northern Ireland)
    10. Zico (Brazil)
    11. Zinedine Zidane (France)
    12. Garrincha (Brazil)
    13. Ronaldo (Brazil)
    14. Bobby Charlton (England)
    15. Lev Yashin (Soviet Union)
    16. Leonidas (Brazil)
    17. Franco Baresi (Italy)
    18. Romário (Brazil)
    19. Paolo Maldini (Italy)
    20. Lothar Matthäus (Germany)
    21. Marco van Basten (Holland)
    22. Gerd Müller (Germany)
    23. José Manuel Moreno (Argentina)
    24. Giuseppe Meazza (Italy)
    25. Didí (Brazil)
    26. Roberto Carlos (Brazil)
    27. Roberto Baggio (Italy)
    28. Bobby Moore (England)
    29. Raymond Kopa (France)
    30. Ruud Gullit (Holland)
    31. Rivelino (Brazil)
    32. Cafú (Brazil)
    33. Stanley Matthews (England)
    34. Dino Zoff (Italy)
    35. Teófilo Cubillas (Peru)
    36. Fritz Walter (Germany)
    37. Juan Alberto Schiaffino (Uruguay)
    38. Gordon Banks (England)
    39. Matthias Sindelar (Austria)
    40. Giacinto Facchetti (Italy)
    41. José Manuel Moreno (Argentina)
    42. Uwe Seeler (Germany)
    43. Gianni Rivera (Italy)
    42. Luis Suárez (Spain)
    44. Sándor Kocsis (Hungary)
    45. Ladislao Kubala (Czechoslovakia)
    47. Michael Laudrup (Denmark)
    48. Alessandro Mazzola (Italy)
    49. Francisco Gento (Spain)
    50. Just Fontaine (France)


    Very difficult to make a top 50 since its hard to compare a goalkeeper with a d defender,a defender with a forward and so on...
    I didn't selected current players ; Kaka,Cristiano Ronaldo, Messi you will not find on my list.
    I've included R9 since his international carreer is over.

    the players that just didnt make the top 50 ;

    Josef Masopust (Czechoslovakia)
    Gabriel Batistuta (Argentina)
    Carlos Alberto (Brazil)
    Daniel Passarella (Argentina)
    Zizinho (Brazil)
    Djalma Santos (Brazil)
    Frank Rijkaard (Holland)
    Tostao (Brazil)
    Gunnar Nordahl (Sweden)
    Luis Figo (Portugal)
    Hugo Sanchez (Mexico)
    George Weah (Liberia)
    Karl-Heinz Rummenigge (Germany)
    Sepp Maier (Germany)
  20. braine

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    EXCUSES ; my top 50 got messed up with bad numbering here is the corrected list from place 40 to 50.

    40. Giacinto Facchetti (Italy)
    41. José Manuel Moreno (Argentina)
    42. Uwe Seeler (Germany)
    43. Gianni Rivera (Italy)
    44. Luis Suárez (Spain)
    45. Sándor Kocsis (Hungary)
    46. Ladislao Kubala (Czechoslovakia)
    47. Michael Laudrup (Denmark)
    48. Alessandro Mazzola (Italy)
    49. Francisco Gento (Spain)
    50. Just Fontaine (France)
  21. Perú FC

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    Good list as well braine, but you're repeating José Manuel Moreno as 23th and 41th position mate.
  22. PDG1978

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    Thanks for the vote Braine. Do you want to clear up whether you had a different player in mind for 23rd or 41st, or whether you'd put Moreno in 23rd then changed your mind and want to add another player to the bottom of your list from the ones you listed as being close? Then I'll post the current standings etc.
    I haven't studied it in detail but I wonder if Peru and Braine, you have the most similar votes actually? I know both the recent Brazilian full-backs/wing-backs are in both your lists as well as Cubillas. I suppose in terms of personnel my vote was close to the Mail's but as already stated there would be a few minor differences towards the bottom end of my ranking if I hadn't used their ranking as the guide. Only Figo and Savicevic were going to be towards the top so I just put them in.
    There are obviously quite a few historical players voted for now that weren't in the original list.... a lot of votes for Zizinho, Leonidas and Moreno in particular. Interesting as I've seen a few lists/books etc not including them but perhaps including Ademir Marques de Menezes, Piola, Sarosi etc.
  23. Perú FC

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    Actually, I was revising my list from some months ago and I noted I should improve it, especially after everything I read of some rankings and my investigation to the Sheep Draft:

    01. PELÉ (Brazil)
    02. MARADONA, Diego (Argentina)
    03. CRUYFF, Johan (Netherlands)
    04. DI STÉFANO, Alfredo (Argentina)
    05. BECKENBAUER, Franz (Germany)
    06. PLATINI, Michel (France)
    07. PUSKÁS, Ferenc (Hungary)
    08. ZICO (Brazil)
    09. GARRINCHA (Brazil)
    10. ZIDANE, Zinedine (France)
    11. RONALDO (Brazil)
    12. BEST, George (Northern Ireland)
    13. MÜLLER, Gerd (Germany)
    14. BARESI, Franco (Italy)
    15. EUSÉBIO (Portugal)
    16. DIDÍ (Brazil)
    17. CHARLTON, Bobby (England)
    18. YASHIN, Lev (Soviet Union)
    19. MALDINI, Paolo (Italy)
    20. MOORE, Bobby (England)
    21. ZOFF, Dino (Italy)
    22. ZIZINHO (Brazil)
    23. ROMÁRIO (Brazil)
    24. MATTHEWS, Stanley (England)
    25. MORENO, José Manuel (Argentina)
    26. VAN BASTEN, Marco (Netherlands)
    27. BAGGIO, Roberto (Italy)
    28. KUBALA, László (Hungary)
    29. RIVELINO, Roberto (Brazil)
    30. MEAZZA, Giuseppe (Italy)
    31. WALTER, Fritz (Germany)
    32. LEONIDAS (Brazil)
    33. PEDERNERA, Adolfo (Argentina)
    34. MATTHÄUS, Lothar (Germany)
    35. GULLIT, Ruud (Netherlands)
    36. SINDELAR, Matthias (Austria)
    37. KOPA, Raymond (France)
    38. HENRY, Thierry (France)
    39. RIVALDO (Brazil)
    40. RIVERA, Gianni (Italy)
    41. SCIREA, Gaetano (Italy)
    42. ROBERTO CARLOS (Brazil)
    43. ANDRADE, José Leandro (Uruguay)
    44. SCHIAFFINO, Juan Alberto (Uruguay)
    45. NILTON SANTOS (Brazil)
    46. RUMMENIGGE, Karl-Heinz (Germany)
    47. GÉRSON (Brazil)
    48. SUÁREZ, Luis (Spain)
    49. RIJKAARD, Frank (Netherlands)
    50. RONALDINHO (Brazil)
    51. CUBILLAS, Teófilo (Peru)
    52. FACCHETTI, Giacinto (Italy)
    53. LAUDRUP, Michael (Denmark)
    54. KOCSIS, Sándor (Hungary)
    55. CARLOS ALBERTO (Brazil)
    56. PASSARELLA, Daniel (Argentina)
    57. THURAM, Lilian (France)
    58. FALCAO (Brazil)
    59. FIGUEROA, Elías (Chile)
    60. SEELER, Uwe (Germany)
    61. DJALMA SANTOS (Brazil)
    62. KEEGAN, Kevin (England)
    63. SÍVORI, Omar (Argentina)
    64. DZAJIC, Dragan (Yugoslavia)
    65. SCARONE, Héctor (Uruguay)
    66. GENTO, Francisco (Spain)
    67. BUFFON, Gianluigi (Italy)
    68. SÁNCHEZ, Hugo (Mexico)
    69. MAZZOLA, Sandro (Italy)
    70. DA GUIA, Domingos (Brazil)
    71. FIGO, Luís (Portugal)
    72. BICAN, Josef (Czechoslovakia)
    73. CAFÚ (Brazil)
    74. JAIRZINHO (Brazil)
    75. ADEMIR Marques (Brazil)
    76. DESAILLY, Marcel (France)
    77. TOSTAO (Brazil)
    78. LABRUNA, Ángel (Argentina)
    79. MAIER, Sepp (Germany)
    80. DALGLISH, Kenny (Scotland)
    81. NORDAHL, Gunnar (Sweden)
    82. BANKS, Gordon (England)
    83. ZANETTI, Javier (Argentina)
    84. BATISTUTA, Gabriel (Argentina)
    85. MAZZOLA, Valentino (Italy)
    86. ERICO, Arsenio (Paraguay)
    87. WEAH, George (Liberia)
    88. FONTAINE, Just (France)
    89. KAHN, Oliver (Germany)
    90. MAKÉLÉLÉ, Claude (France)
    91. MONTI, Luis (Argentina)
    92. TOTTI, Francesco (Italy)
    93. VIEIRA, Patrick (France)
    94. PEYROTEO, Fernando (Portugal)
    95. SPENCER, Alberto (Ecuador)
    96. CUETO, César (Peru)
    97. SÁROSI, György (Hungary)
    98. GREAVES, Jimmy (England)
    99. ZAMORA, Ricardo (Spain)
    100. LAW, Denis (Scotland)
  24. braine

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    Once again my Top 50 ( until I've learned how to post it!) :eek:

    01. Pelé (Brazil)
    02. Diego Maradona (Argentina)
    03. Johan Cruijff (Holland)
    04. Alfredo Di Stéfano (Argentina)
    05. Franz Beckenbauer (Germany)
    06. Ferenc Puskás (Hungary)
    07. Michel Platini (France)
    08. Eusébio (Portugal)
    09. Zinedine Zidane (France)
    10. George Best (Northern Ireland)
    11. Bobby Charlton (England)
    12. Zico (Brazil)
    13. Garrincha (Brazil)
    14. Ronaldo (Brazil)
    15. Lev Yashin (Soviet Union)
    16. Leonidas (Brazil)
    17. Franco Baresi (Italy)
    18. Romário (Brazil)
    19. Paolo Maldini (Italy)
    20. Lothar Matthäus (Germany)
    21. Marco van Basten (Holland)
    22. Gerd Müller (Germany)
    23. György Sarosi (Hungary)
    24. Giuseppe Meazza (Italy)
    25. Didí (Brazil)
    26. Roberto Carlos (Brazil)
    27. Roberto Baggio (Italy)
    28. Bobby Moore (England)
    29. Raymond Kopa (France)
    30. Ruud Gullit (Holland)
    31. Rivelino (Brazil)
    32. Cafú (Brazil)
    33. Stanley Matthews (England)
    34. Dino Zoff (Italy)
    35. Teófilo Cubillas (Peru)
    36. Fritz Walter (Germany)
    37. Juan Alberto Schiaffino (Uruguay)
    38. Gordon Banks (England)
    39. Matthias Sindelar (Austria)
    40. Giacinto Facchetti (Italy)
    41. José Manuel Moreno (Argentina)
    42. Uwe Seeler (Germany)
    43. Gianni Rivera (Italy)
    44. Luis Suárez (Spain)
    45. Sándor Kocsis (Hungary)
    46. Ladislao Kubala (Czechoslovakia)
    47. Michael Laudrup (Denmark)
    48. Alessandro Mazzola (Italy)
    49. Francisco Gento (Spain)
    50. Just Fontaine (France)

    to be honest I've took the Peru top 100 and copy/paste the players in the position I think they belong to.
    Only Gordon Banks was not listed in his previous top100.
    but something got wrong with the copy/paste of position #23.
    Its hard to make a top50 IMO,its more easy to make a top 10 by position for example...
  25. PDG1978

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    OK Braine, I'll update shortly. Yeah I guess a top 50 or top 100 is a pretty uncertain task to complete. I think in a way it's easier to group players than to put them in individual positions. I understand too why you'd find it easier to pick top 10 by position (I guess you can compare your choices to Comme's greatest X of all-time lists).
    Peru, I'll study your original list and update the points to account for the differences as well.

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