Count down to the list you don't want to be on - it's coming April 2.

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  1. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    Just the annual heads-up to the programs dragging their feet on announcing their recruits, our annual Shit List of apathetic programs that don't give a fu(k about their new players or promoting their sport is coming soon and you don't want to be on it.

    I chose the beginning of April because it's a full two months since the start of official signing period and that should be plenty of time to get your ducks in a row for an announcement (I'd like to think this is axiomatic) and I chose the 2nd, specifically, because it's a Friday and thus the end of the business week.

    There are some surprising schools that are in Shit List contention this year with Maryland being the most obvious along with the usual suspects of Just Don't Care schools like UConn, St. John's, San Diego, Boston College and Pitt.

    Here are the list of schools that have announced new players so far. Let's hope this list grows considerably between now and then, as of last night.

    AMERICA EAST
    Albany
    New Hampshire

    AMERICAN ATHLETIC
    Central Florida
    Cincinnati
    Memphis
    Southern Methodist
    South Florida
    Tulsa

    ATLANTIC 10
    Davidson
    Dayton
    Duquesne
    George Washington
    Saint Louis
    Virginia Commonwealth

    ATLANTIC COAST
    Clemson
    Louisville
    North Carolina
    NC State
    Notre Dame
    Syracuse
    Virginia
    Virginia Tech
    Wake Forest

    ATLANTIC SUN
    Florida Gulf Coast
    Northern Kentucky

    BIG EAST
    Butler
    Creighton
    Georgetown
    Marquette
    Villanova

    BIG SOUTH
    Coastal Carolina (spring enrollees and transfers only)
    Presbyterian
    Winthrop

    BIG TEN
    Indiana
    Michigan
    Michigan State
    Northwestern

    BIG WEST
    Cal Poly
    Sacramento State
    UC Davis
    UCSCB

    COLONIAL ATHLETIC
    Charleston
    Elon
    Hofstra
    UNC Wilmington
    William & Mary

    CONFERENCE USA
    Alabama-Birmingham
    Marshall
    New Mexico
    Old Dominion
    South Carolina

    HORIZON
    Oakland

    INDEPENDENT
    None

    IVY
    Brown

    METRO ATLANTIC ATHLETIC
    Monmouth
    Niagara

    MIDWEST ATHLETIC
    Akron
    Bowling Green
    Northern Illinois
    Western Michigan
    West Virginia

    MISSOURI VALLEY
    Central Arkansas
    Drake
    Evansville
    Loyola-Chicago
    Missouri State
    Southern Illinois-Edwardsville

    NORTHEAST
    Bryant
    Central Connecticut
    St. Francis, PA

    PAC-12
    California
    Oregon State
    San Diego State
    Stanford
    UCLA
    Washington

    PATRIOT
    Colgate
    Holy Cross
    Lafayette
    (Army and Navy exempt until July)

    SOUTHERN
    Furman
    Mercer
    Wofford

    SUMMIT
    Eastern Illinois
    Western Illinois

    SUN BELT
    Appalachian State
    Georgia Southern
    Georgia State

    WEST COAST
    Gonzaga
    Loyola Marymount
    Pacific
    Portland
    Santa Clara

    WESTERN ATHLETIC
    Grand Canyon
    San Jose State
    Seattle
    UNLV
    Utah Valley
    (Air Force exempt until July)
     
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  2. SoccerIsOurLife

    Feb 14, 2014
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Isn't April 2nd a Wednesday? Not to detract from your great message, but someone is bound to call you out on it not being a Friday ...
     
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  3. fknbuflobo

    fknbuflobo Member+

    Arsenal FC
    United States
    Nov 16, 2011
    Akron, Ohio
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Shocking that some of the NCAA's highest profile programs have not yet announced their respective recruiting classes.

    They are waiting for... what exactly?

    Understood that additional players can (and will) be announced later on in the year. The citing of which is entirely missing the point.

    This is an inexpensive PR opportunity that some schools are neglecting to take.
     
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  4. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member+

    #ProRelForUSA
    United States
    Jan 10, 2013
    I've Been Everywhere Man
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I love this "list" Sandon! Good work. A good chuckle from this poster.

    A variety of things weigh into the decision(s) in releasing:
    1. Finalizing recruits
    2. SID issues
    3. Athletic department issues
    4. Finalizing returners (i.e., scholarships available)
    5. Numerous more
    Not saying any are the "right" ones. Not saying they are "good" reasons either. I know some schools don't even write anything about ANY recruits committing. It happens. But, like you mentioned, it's an inexpensive PR opportunity...
     
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  5. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    If the Shit List came out today, 98 schools would be on it. That's just below half of all the teams in D-I. That's just embarrassing for men's soccer.
     
  6. fknbuflobo

    fknbuflobo Member+

    Arsenal FC
    United States
    Nov 16, 2011
    Akron, Ohio
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How do the collegiate WSOC teams compare to MSOC regarding this topic?
     
  7. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    I don't follow women's soccer carefully enough to answer that.
     
  8. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    OK, as it often does, curiosity got the better of me.

    I looked up the women’s programs from the schools from the ACC, Big East, Big Ten, American Athletic and Conference USA - in other words, the bigger schools - whose men’s programs have not announced. There are 19 schools from those conferences whose men's programs haven't announced.

    Of those 19, 14 of their women's program had announced recruits.

    So it certainly appears the women's coaches, for the most part, don't suffer from the malaise and apathy of the men's coaches.

    Here are the 19.
    Boston College – women announced on 2/25
    Charlotte – women announced on 2/10
    Connecticut – not announced
    DePaul – women announced on 2/6
    Duke – women announced on 2/19
    Florida Atlantic – women announced on 2/5
    Florida International – women announced on 3/3
    Kentucky – women announced on 2/14
    Maryland – not announced
    Ohio State – women announced on 2/10
    Penn State – women announced on 2/5
    Pitt – women announced on 2/13
    Providence – women announced on 2/10
    Rutgers – not announced
    Temple – women announced on 3/3
    St. John’s – not announced
    Seton Hall – women announced on 3/12
    Wisconsin – not announced
    Xavier – women announced on 2/18


    Someone else is welcome to look up the other 79 programs.
     
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  9. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    And lest we think this is an East Coast phenomenon, here are the results from the “western” conferences (Big West, WCC and WAC, plus Denver – all the Pac-12 men have announced) whose men’s programs haven’t announced their new players.

    There are 12 schools from the 3 western-ish conferences (plus Denver) whose men’s programs haven’t announced and 8 of them have had their women announce. They are:

    Cal State Bakersfield – women announced 3/10
    Cal State Fullerton – women announced 2/10
    Cal State Northridge – not announced
    Denver - women announced 2/14
    Houston Baptist – women announced 2/5 and 3/3
    Incarnate Word – not announced
    Saint Mary’s – women announced 12/10 (early arrivals), 3/5 and 3/20
    San Diego – women announced 2/17
    San Francisco – women announced 2/10
    UC Irvine – not announced
    UC Riverside – not announced

    UMKC – women announced 2/8

    So that’s 31 programs checked where the men hadn’t announced and of those, 22 had seen their women do so. This tells us the women’s coaches are more proactive and about promoting their programs and their sport and that not announcing can’t be blamed on the SID because clearly the department is writing the release when they have the information available to them.

    I’m guessing that if we checked the remaining 67 schools whose men’s programs haven’t announced their new players we’d find a similar ratio (about 2/3) where the women’s programs at the same school had announced.
     
  10. stphnsn

    stphnsn Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    well, that assumes that all of the women's teams from schools whose men's teams have announced, did announce themselves as well.
     
  11. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    #11 Sandon Mibut, Mar 27, 2014
    Last edited: Mar 27, 2014
    You are more than welcome to look that up. I suspect there are some women's programs at schools with men's programs that have announced that are just as lackadaisical about this as schools like San Diego and Boston College are on the men's side.

    But that just goes to show that it's up to the coaches, which is why we harp on the coaches for being the ambivalent slackers.

    Every year when the Shit List comes out some fan of one of the schools on it makes the argument that its not the coaches but the SID. I'm merely pointing out that these announcements by the women's programs suggests its the coaches and not the SIDs.
     
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  12. bhoys

    bhoys Member+

    Aug 21, 2011
    Club:
    Celtic FC
    Sandon - last year, in 2013, you published "the list" on May 2. I have what I think is a pretty good idea of why you have decided to move the publication of "the list" up a month this year, but thought it would be worth hearing from you directly on your reasons for the month earlier publication. So can you please share with us your thinking on the earlier release of your "list?"
     
  13. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    Because two months should be more than enough time to get your recruits announced and there's no excuse not to have put out a release yet.
     
  14. fknbuflobo

    fknbuflobo Member+

    Arsenal FC
    United States
    Nov 16, 2011
    Akron, Ohio
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Please list the WSOC programs, from schools whose MSOC programs have announced, that have not announced their 2014 recruiting classes.
     
  15. stphnsn

    stphnsn Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    i don't care enough about either list to do the work. i was just pointing out the selectivity of the sample.
     
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  16. fknbuflobo

    fknbuflobo Member+

    Arsenal FC
    United States
    Nov 16, 2011
    Akron, Ohio
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Fair enough! Interesting point by you nonetheless.
     
  17. JoeSoccerFan

    JoeSoccerFan Member+

    Aug 11, 2000
    Sandon - just to clarify, the list is being published on Friday, April 4? I got up early this morning specifically to check the list :).
     
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  18. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    Yes, my apologies for not clarifying. It will be done Friday afternoon. I messed up the original date.

    I'm sorry for messing up your morning.
     
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  19. JoeSoccerFan

    JoeSoccerFan Member+

    Aug 11, 2000
    It's now 8PM, I'm starting to question your commitment to fry that arrogant ass Ray Reid for being a petulant prick!
     
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  20. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    I just got home from my kids' practices. I am working on it.
     
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  21. Hararea

    Hararea Member+

    Jan 21, 2005
    I guess putting out an announcement turned out to be more work than Sandon had realized ;)
     
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  22. JoeSoccerFan

    JoeSoccerFan Member+

    Aug 11, 2000
    too bad, it didn't spur reaction from schools to publish there incoming class.
     

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