Could NASL in Boston work?

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  1. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
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    Chicago Red Stars
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    United States
    Boston Tea Party!

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  2. Gulf Coast Armada

    Gulf Coast Armada New Member

    Jun 20, 2013
    Pensacola, FL
    Where would they play? It costs a truck-load of money to build in Boston, and I'd assume they wouldn't want to play in the BU stadium (as everyone in the world plays there all the time). As everyone has said, if there is an owner who doesn't mind losing money for 4-5 years it might work. But that is a big risk to take.
     
  3. brentgoulet

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  4. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
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    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Didn't the Breakers start there?
     
  5. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City

    The WUSA Breakers played there. Horrible place. Old baseball field converted into a field turfed college football stadium with one 5,000 seat concrete stand on one side.
     
  6. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

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    USFL Breakers played there, too!
     
  7. oneeyedfool

    oneeyedfool Member+

    Nov 17, 2012
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    Nat'l Team:
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    Boston Celtic FC :)
     
  8. Arsenalkid700

    Arsenalkid700 Member

    Aug 9, 2011
    New York City
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    Arsenal FC
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    United States

    Please... no.
     
  9. bullsear

    bullsear Member

    Feb 17, 2009
    Club:
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    Nickerson hasn't had football lines since at least 2008, when it had new turf installed (with soccer lines).

    But as we've discussed, it's no place to see a game. It's got a special little place in my heart, but creating a game-day experience would be next to impossible. The concrete stands are crumbling and in need of considerable repair, and the stadium itself blends too quickly into West Campus. And even with the new parking structure going in under the new New Balance Field, nobody in their right mind wants to drive or park in the area.

    There are two reasons it has been floated as a possible location: 1) it can, at the very least, and with a degree of accuracy, be called "a stadium," 2) it's easily accessible from the T.
     
  10. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City

    I remember taking photos of Jack Warner there. Now I remember, I was in town for the Gold Cup. A couple double (or maybe even a triple header with an MLS game) headers, and there was a WUSA game on an off day. The WUSA game was the nationally broadcast game of the week, and they had a VIP tent set up next to the field just outside the field house.

    Did all 5,000 fans have to walk through the field house to get to the stands?

    Honestly, it really is one of the worst "stadiums" I have ever been to. And I've been to quite a few.
     
  11. MakingGoals

    MakingGoals Member

    Sep 12, 2013
    Could NASL in Boston work?

    To answer the initial question, the answer is yes.
     
  12. SoccerPrime

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    All of them
    Apr 14, 2003
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What scientific process did you use for this analysis?
     
  13. VikingPA

    VikingPA Member

    Apr 19, 2012
    Magic 8-ball?
     
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  14. VikingPA

    VikingPA Member

    Apr 19, 2012
    I think I'd be more pessimistic, I think that public success in Boston requires a winning record in a major league...

    Recent past results for lower division soccer seem to have been disappointing to their owners - 3 of the last 4 PDL sides and both recent NPSL sides from greater Boston have folded - sounds like Rams will be back, but I did not see a big groundswell of public support...

    I hope you are right, but even a good NASL side playing New Cosmos and Ottawa Fury seems like a tough sell in this area, I'd like to hear more of your thinking....
     
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  15. MakingGoals

    MakingGoals Member

    Sep 12, 2013
    Boston is a good market.
     
  16. Bluesfan

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  17. MakingGoals

    MakingGoals Member

    Sep 12, 2013
    That one is not so good of a market.
     
  18. MakingGoals

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    Sep 12, 2013
  19. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
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    Never really got into their food. Maybe its because as a franchise, its a little too salty and/or watered down when it gets to the West coast.
     
  20. Bluesfan

    Bluesfan Member+

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    It's about as good as the prospects of a Boston soccer team.

    No owner + nowhere to play = No team
     
  21. MakingGoals

    MakingGoals Member

    Sep 12, 2013
    To say or believe that there no options in Boston is not true.

    Here are the real options for a potential start:
    White Field
    Nickerson Field
    Jordan Field (expanded)
    Ohiri Field (expanded)
    Ellis Oval (expanded)
    Bello Field (expanded)
    Hormel Stadium (expanded)
    Jack Bury AstroTurf Field (relocate tennis courts, and place seats)
    Dilboy Stadium (expanded)
    Edgerly Sports Complex (expanded)
    Charleston Community Center (expanded)
    Joe Moakley Park Stadium (expanded)
    Boston College HS Stadium (expanded)
    Harvard Stadium
    Alumni Field

    A team can play at anyone of the these places. The ones needing expanding can support temporary seating for two to three years. In the process, a team can focus on building a SSS in the Boston area.
     
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  22. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
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    Sporting Kansas City
    That's so cute
     
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  23. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Some kind of 8-ball, surely.
     
  24. VikingPA

    VikingPA Member

    Apr 19, 2012
    #49 VikingPA, Nov 26, 2013
    Last edited: Nov 26, 2013
    Don't misinterpret my remarks, I wish there would be a thriving NASL club in Boston...

    I will spare you a breakdown of the venues suggested above, maybe there are some good possibilities there - after all Breakers use Dilboy, Harvard let the Revs in for Open Cup last year, etc.

    But I believe that a SUCCESSFUL franchise would need to control their own grounds, rather than rent per game from a school or municipality - I think one would need to control concessions (and be permitted to sell beer) to succeed - I see Western Mass Pioneers/Lusitano Stadium as a model, albeit on a (slightly) smaller (PDL) scale. They draw 1000-1500 at Ludlow, I believe that NASL use venues with 7000-10,000 seats and generally half fill them. We can get back to the stadium discussion, but there are a couple of other points to raise:

    One is that the current NASL seems to be a mostly South/Southeastern league - I think that it would dramatically increase the travel costs of those teams to come to Boston for matches, even if they scheduled trips to Cosmos + Boston together, I am not convinced they'd welcome a Boston franchise.

    Also, I don't think you had a natural rival in NASL - except NYCosmo, who desperately want to get out of NASL to be MLS NY3 (I doubt that works either, but that's another thread). And we have seen, rivalries matter....

    Also, I think you have to consider your competitive situation - obviously you'd be in a dogfight with the existing MLS side.

    I do think the likeliest occupant of a hypothetical SSS (maybe getting slightly less hypothetical with Mayor Walsh as a booster and possible linkage with one of the casino-schemes) would be the Revs...

    And if the Revs get their own Stadium I'd expect them to end their relationships with Rhinos and RBRams to bring their Reserve Team/ USLPro and PDL/post-Academy operations in house, using more dates in the new building - for example, Timbers host their U23 (PDL) affiliate in Jenn-Wald (forgotten what they do with Reserves); but I think this is the trend...

    I think that's a tough row for NASL to hoe...


    Hope I'm wrong tho...
     
  25. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't think the travel to Boston will be an issue at all, the league wants/needs to grow out west, that will be more expensive, but something the league would have to deal with if they want to be a National league.

    Who knows what the Cosmos wants, I do not see them in MLS anytime soon, also Ottowa is coming to the league, not sure how far that is from Boston.

    I doubt that Boston will use any public funds to build an S.S. But if they do, you are right it would be for MLS and/or the Revs.
     

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