Re: Copa America Final: Brasil-Argentina I still have difficulty in my mind understanding the way some peeps analyze with the heart (to find a nother warm area) and not with the head ... Argentina came from a disaappointing WC 2 years ago! ... some of their more experienced and best players were under their normal level, which DOES NOT mean they are finished at club level in Europe nor in NT action. This is the line-up used for the first qualifier against Chile: Pablo Cavallero; Vivas - Ayala - Samuel Zanetti, Veron (65' Almeyda), Kily González; Aimar - D'Alessandro Delgado - Crespo (72' Saviola) If you ask me ... the goalie place has fallen in the hands of Abbondanzieri since the game with Paraguay ... and thru out CA. He should be the goalie. Vivas ... out Samuel ... with his new club Real Madrid Veron ... back in Italy after never adapting to the EPL and injuries. Almeyda ... with lots to give to the NT still Aimar ... at Valencia, still injured Crespo ... with Milan, gaining his form after the Chelsea fiasco. Aside from those 5 starters, the following are players who could line-up with Argentina: Cambiaso (Inter), Riquelme (Villareal); Lopez (Lazio) ; Gallardo (River) ; Cavenaghi (Spartak Moscu) To say that Argentina has brought the best they have is clearly misunderstanding the job of Bielsa ... 2/3 of this team are U-23 ... hence going to the Olympic Games. The last few games of the qualifiers, Bielsa started to experiment with some new faces ... local pressure; building a solid Olympic team with youngsters who have won it all at U-20 and obviously because it was not the best moment for some of the players in the team he lined for the 1st game with Chile. When those players are back in form, Argentina will most certainly line them. The WC '02 was a fiasco ... as such, pressure is in the air in Argentina ... with the coach and some of the star players at that tourny. But none of these players can be said/thought of to be in a decline, such as Rivaldo for example, as to be out of any future Argentine NT squad. As I said before, props to Brazil for winning it, it doesn't get any closer to losing the final thou.