CONCACAF Rankings Thread

Costa Rica should definitely be higher up, top 30's

 

Here are some probable rankings for August updated today (these are making assumptions about the GC based on ELO, so take it for what its worth):

http://www.football-rankings.info/2013/07/fifa-ranking-august-2013-probable_13.html

17 - USA (+5)
20 - Mexico (0)
38 - Costa Rica (+1)
45 - Panama (+6)
53 - Honduras (+2)
75 - Haiti (-6)
78 - Jamaica (-1)
81 - T&T (+6)
84 - El Salvador (+10)
91 - Cuba (-9)
92 - Canada (-4)

 

Victories against Guatemala, Belize and poor old Cuba sure sweeten the ranking.

 

Yeah, though its mostly beating CR, and then the assumption that we'd have to beat them again (or Honduras) and Mexico to hoist the GC and move into the 17 spot. Huge assumptions obviously, but I really like that guy's work and his website is really useful.

Obviously if we crash out before the final those are all moot. Additionally I'm not sure what the rankings would be if we were to lose to Mexico in the final. I imagine we'd be somewhere around the 20-21 spot with Mexico just above us.

 

Anywhere around the 20's seems a legitimate place for us.

 

Probably. I think Jamaica is really underrated by those rankings but they did it to themselves by playing to less than the sum of their parts up til now. I also think Honduras is underrated at the 53 spot and Panama slightly overrated at 45. I'd probably switch them, just my opinion.

I also think we're overrated at 17 but again, that's due to our recent results and some of them against decent teams. If those rankings turn out to be accurate once the GC is done, the U.S. will be the only country to gain triple digit points out of every country in the FIFA rankings, which is interesting. Its pretty much a log-jam from the 12 spot (Uruguay) to the 19 spot (Cote d'Ivoire) in those rankings, with the teams only separated by 36 ranking points. Uruguay would trail the 11 spot by 40 points (Greece), and Cote d'Ivoire would open up a 49 point gap on the 20 spot Mexico.

 

If El Salvador win the Gold Cup 2013, they should be around 48th in the next ranking (August) acording to FIFA INFO website.

That is very possible and it can happen!

 

That would certainly be a major accomplishment! Anything can happen, who knows. Gotta beat us first though

 

Looking at the ranking of each Concacaf team within the region (so it's 1 to 35), at the end of each year (the December ranking of each year, July ranking for 2013 obvioulsy). The month-to-month rankings are getting a little tedious, and one-month blips come and go (although I think there'll be some changes in the August rankings for Concacaf [just a hunch!]):

First chart is the average ranking over 21 years, then for the last 8 and 4 years (i.e. the WC cycles):

Team	count	avg	L8 count	L8 avg	L4 count	L4 avg
Mexico	21	1.1	8	1.4	4	1.3
USA	21	1.9	8	1.6	4	1.8
Costa Rica	21	5.1	8	5.6	4	6.0
Panama	21	10.3	8	5.4	4	4.3
Honduras	21	4.4	8	4.0	4	4.8
Haiti	21	11.3	8	8.5	4	7.3
Jamaica	21	5.2	8	6.0	4	5.0
Cuba	21	10.2	8	8.8	4	10.3
Trinidad and Tobago	21	6.7	8	8.8	4	9.0
Canada	21	7.5	8	7.4	4	8.3
Dominican Republic	21	21.0	8	20.5	4	16.5
Guatemala	21	11.0	8	12.4	4	12.5
El Salvador	21	10.5	8	12.9	4	12.0
Suriname	21	17.1	8	16.3	4	15.0
Antigua and Barbuda	21	16.9	8	14.8	4	13.3
Grenada	21	16.7	8	17.9	4	16.8
Guyana	21	20.6	8	14.5	4	15.0
Belize	19	26.3	8	25.8	4	23.0
Puerto Rico	21	24.0	8	21.9	4	18.3
St. Vincent and the Grenadines	21	16.0	8	17.5	4	20.3
St. Kitts and Nevis	21	17.9	8	18.9	4	17.8
St. Lucia	21	20.0	8	25.8	4	26.3
Barbados	21	14.3	8	17.8	4	22.5
Aruba	21	28.8	8	29.3	4	26.5
Bermuda	21	20.5	8	19.4	4	22.8
Nicaragua	21	25.1	8	23.1	4	24.0
Dominica	19	23.8	8	26.9	4	24.8
Montserrat	15	33.3	8	32.1	4	31.3
Curaçao	3	27.3	3	27.3	3	27.3
Bahamas	15	26.9	8	25.6	4	28.3
US Virgin Islands	15	31.9	8	31.8	4	31.0
British Virgin Islands	17	26.9	8	29.9	4	31.0
Cayman Islands	21	24.6	8	28.4	4	29.8
Anguilla	17	32.5	8	33.3	4	34.0
Turks and Caicos Islands	15	31.3	8	28.9	4	33.3

Chart of raw data:

Team	2013	2012	2011	2010	2009	2008	2007	2006	2005	2004	2003	2002	2001	2000	1999	1998	1997	1996	1995	1994	1993
Mexico	1	1	1	2	2	2	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	1
USA	2	2	2	1	1	1	2	2	2	2	2	2	2	2	2	2	2	2	2	2	2
Costa Rica	3	8	6	7	4	4	7	6	3	3	3	3	4	7	5	5	4	9	7	5	4
Panama	4	4	3	6	6	8	5	7	9	11	13	15	13	13	15	14	13	11	15	15	17
Honduras	5	6	4	4	3	3	3	4	4	5	5	4	3	4	6	7	8	6	3	3	3
Haiti	6	3	10	10	10	10	6	13	11	10	11	9	9	11	11	11	15	14	23	13	21
Jamaica	7	5	5	3	8	5	10	5	5	4	4	6	6	5	3	3	3	3	4	8	7
Cuba	8	12	16	5	11	7	8	3	8	8	7	8	8	9	8	10	10	8	10	26	25
Trinidad and Tobago	9	9	9	9	9	6	9	10	6	6	6	5	5	3	4	4	5	5	5	7	9
Canada	10	7	8	8	5	9	4	8	10	9	9	7	11	8	9	9	7	4	6	4	5
Dominican Republic	11	11	19	25	29	30	21	18	26	25	20	19	20	21	21	20	19	17	25	23	22
Guatemala	12	10	12	16	12	11	12	14	7	7	8	10	7	6	7	6	9	12	21	18	14
El Salvador	13	13	7	15	7	12	15	21	13	12	10	11	10	10	10	8	6	7	8	6	6
Suriname	14	14	18	14	19	17	18	16	18	18	17	17	18	23	23	23	20	18	13	10	12
Antigua and Barbuda	15	15	11	12	15	16	17	17	20	19	19	20	19	17	17	17	22	22	18	14	12
Grenada	16	20	20	11	17	13	23	23	17	17	16	16	17	16	13	12	11	16	20	16	20
Guyana	17	17	13	13	13	18	13	12	22	28	25	24	26	27	26	24	24	25	26	21	18
Belize	18	27	21	26	24	26	32	32	27	27	22	21	25	29	29	28	28	29	28
Puerto Rico	19	19	15	20	22	20	30	30	30	30	33	33	32	31	27	26	25	24	16	12	10
St. Vincent and the Grenadines	20	18	22	21	20	19	11	9	16	16	18	18	14	14	16	18	14	10	9	17	16
St. Kitts and Nevis	21	16	17	17	21	21	19	19	15	14	15	13	15	18	14	15	16	15	22	26	27
St. Lucia	22	23	31	29	28	27	24	22	14	13	14	14	16	15	20	19	18	19	12	22	19
Barbados	23	21	27	19	14	14	13	11	12	15	12	12	12	12	12	13	12	13	11	11	11
Aruba	24	24	26	32	32	32	32	32	33	33	30	30	29	28	30	25	27	28	27	25	26
Bermuda	25	25	14	27	18	15	16	15	21	20	26	25	24	20	24	27	26	26	19	9	8
Nicaragua	26	22	24	24	16	29	20	24	18	21	21	28	30	30	31	30	30	27	29	24	24
Dominica	27	26	28	18	31	31	27	27	25	23	27	26	21	19	19	16	17	20	24
Montserrat	28	28	35	34	34	34	32	32	34	34	35	35	35	35	34
Curaçao	29	30	23
Bahamas	30	28	24	31	26	24	22	20	29	29	29	29	28	26	28
US Virgin Islands	31	31	29	33	33	33	32	32	31	31	32	32	33	33	32
British Virgin Islands	32	32	32	28	30	28	28	29	24	23	23	22	22	24	22	29	29
Cayman Islands	33	33	30	23	27	25	28	28	28	26	24	23	23	22	18	21	23	23	17	19	23
Anguilla	34	34	34	34	34	34	31	31	32	32	31	31	31	32	35	31	31
Turks and Caicos Islands	35	35	33	30	25	23	25	25	35	35	34	34	34	34	33

 

Here are the Top 10 in CONCACAF in the August 2013 FIFA Rankings with their overall rank and change in overall rank:

19. USA (up 3)
20. Mexico (same)
40. Panama (up 11)
42. Costa Rica (down 3)
43. Honduras (up 12)
74. Haiti (down 5)
76. Jamaica (up 1)
78. Trinidad and Tobago (up 9)
83. El Salvador (up 11)
86. Dominican Republic (up 4)

The average change was up 4.3. Dominican Republic is in CONCACAF's Top 10 for the first time.

 

Fourteen in the top 100. Rounding out the top 100 teams:

90. Cuba (down 8)
91. Canada (down 3)
93. Guatemala (same)
100. Suriname (up 9)
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Next highest is Antigua & Barbuda at 121 (up 1). Belize fell 13 spots to 143 (22nd in CONCACAF).

 

New rankings out:



Canada's fall is shocking. This is the lowest they've ever been.

 

Might only be the beginning for that. They should have tried to hire an ARENA or Bradley

 

Are there actually any good Canadian players in Europe right now?

 

Canada played 12 WCQs this cycle, 6 each in 2011 and 2012. That's three-quarters as many as the teams who started in the Semifinals and reached the Hexagonal will have after October. The format used this time could be better for Canada's FIFA Ranking than if they just had to win one two leg series to reach the Semifinals.

 

Bullshit Ranking

 

You're right, it should be more like:

USA
Costa Rica
Honduras
Panama
Mexico

Am I right?

******* personal attack deleted...

 

Definitely true. It's shocking to realize, but Canada's last win was one calendar year ago (Oct. 12, 2012) at home against Cuba.

You're right. They don't play enough meaningful games. And when they do, they often seem ill-prepared. For the recent Gold Cup they hadn't actually named a head coach yet, so used an interim coach. Then they got their asses handed to them. That couldn't have helped the rating.

They just played Mauritania twice (ranked in the 150s) and failed to win either game.

[They were unlucky in qualifying, when they were drawn with Panama and Honduras. And they did quite well until they went down to Honduras on the last gameday and wet the bed. Every cycle that group with Canada seems to be the "Group of Death," but the reason for that is that Canada is in it. A team ranked in the FIFA duldrums that's capable of beating teams like Panama and Honduras on a given day.]

Certainly not guys in their 20's. Atiba Hutchinson is still at Besiktas. Olivier Occean at Kaiserslautern.

Canada is in a perpetual state of looking at the future. They have some talented young players. Teibert, Piette, Osorio, Aleman at Valladolid, etc.. Just not enough of them.

 

Here are the Top 10 in CONCACAF in the October 2013 FIFA Rankings with their overall rank and change in overall rank:

13. USA (same)
24. Mexico (down 3)
31. Costa Rica (up 2)
34. Honduras (up 6)
36. Panama (down 1)
74. Cuba (up 10)
78. Dominican Republic (up 9)
80. Haiti (down 2)
81. Trinidad and Tobago (up 4)
82. Jamaica (down 4)

Dominican Republic has its best ever ranking. They were 166th in the FIFA Rankings used for the World Cup 2014 qualifying draw and in 3 years and 1 month they have passed over 100 countries.

Out of the top four Caribbean countries, only one of them reached the WCQ Semifinals, and Cuba might or might not have reached the Semifinals if they had to play in the previous group stage.

 

Egads Canada.............................now ranked 111th. Behind nations you aren't quite sure are actual nations. Niger is 110. Niger?

This is an epic free-fall. They still haven't won a game this year.

 

Speaking of free-fall, what the heck happened to Guatemala? They only missed the hex on goal difference, and now are ranked a spot behind Canada.

 

Their goal differential in the Semifinals was worse than Jamaica, who finished last in the Hexagonal. It was the second consecutive time they finished third in a Semifinal group that included the team that finished last in the Hexagonal.