College soccer and the YNTs - the writing is on the wall and it says "go pro ASAP."

Discussion in 'College & Amateur Soccer' started by Sandon Mibut, Nov 3, 2011.

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  1. scoachd1

    scoachd1 Member+

    Jun 2, 2004
    Southern California
    #126 scoachd1, Feb 26, 2012
    You do not understand what he is saying. He's saying comparing kids raised from birth in a soccer culture and saying they are good pros because they didn't go to college is irrelevant to the debate because it is quite possible the critical factor has nothing to do with college or no college but instead has to do with being raised in a soccer culture. Instead you need to focus on US born players and compare their college vs no college results.
     
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  2. scoachd1

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    Southern California
    #127 scoachd1, Feb 26, 2012
    No instead it makes more sense to you to compare players who were born and raised inside the US to players that were born and raised outside the US and speculate how college has impacted their development of each. I'm not sure you realize this but other countries develop basketball players using the same systems and methods they use to develop soccer players in their club.

    The European system actually has some advantages. One of which is that you see European big players with such good outside touch while most very tall US players are not as good because they had coaches that wanted those same type players to get near the basket and win games for them. On the other hand I'm not sure playing with professionals at a young age has proven to be more beneficial to playing US college ball.
     
  3. collegesoccer

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    Apr 11, 2005
    #128 collegesoccer, Feb 26, 2012
    There were really NO other options in 1990. Like looking at the NBA stats before the "Hardship Rule when in effect". Probably anything 2006 and after would have some significance because players in their prime would have had a chance to play in college or pro.

    For what it is worth, and I am not sure what it means to be honest (other than the value in maturity/development/timing) - in the first round of the NBA draft last year, of the 30 players drafted the breakdown is as follows:

    First Year College Players: 4 (must attend at least one year per NBA rules so same as no college statistically for this purpose)
    Foreign Players: 7
    Multi-year College Players: 19

    In 2014, 2018, 2022, 2026 World Cups, if the US is fortunate enough to make it, there will be 1/2 the players who went straight to the professional route and 1/2 the players with some college soccer experience. I agree that the four year college player will become a less likely option but there WILL be at least 1/2 that go to college on all those teams. I look forward to following the stats and proving the college soccer haters wrong.
     
  4. SUDano

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    Jan 18, 2003
    Rochester, NY
    #129 SUDano, Feb 26, 2012


    I take no joy in acknowledging college's decreasing role in development in the elite player. The numbers are what they are. I am no hater just objectively analyzing the data. Its a trend analysis. With that said I do recognize the value of college soccer when there was no professional structure in existance.
    They have a role today, I'm not denying that. Its just changing. They were the ones who took us from nothing to something. Thank you college soccer for that. But the times times are changing. There are many more domestic and International opportunities for youth development. I remember the day International teams wouldn't take an American youth player and MLS had no programs for young players. These trends are fairly new so hasn't quite hit the full national team World Cup rosters full force yet. The times have changed dramatically. I really wish the NCAA could take us to the next level. They cannot. The NCAA by its very nature is a college organization that exists to restrict play not enhance it. They want players to concentrate on academics not athletics. The NCAA does not exist to increase playing time, reduce restrictions on season length to have consistent full year seasons, with alot of practice times, and game rule changes. Essentially they don't care about increasing the talent level for players. You are only looking at those who attend college when the actual statistical mark is college years. Both have reduced and will continue to go down. Do you realize that comparing 12 players who attend college 4 yrs and 12players who attend 1 yr is a huge difference statistically speaking on the reliance of college soccer despite the same number of players.
    I already have the numbers from 1990. It goes from 3.68-2.59-2.86-2.52-2.39-1.82.
    And the numbers who attended college from 1990: 22/22, 17/22, 18/22, 17/23, 17/23, 15/23.......Its not going to just stop at 12 and go no further.
    Very slow decline. The debate is how fast not what direction.
     
  5. Cliveworshipper

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    #130 Cliveworshipper, Feb 27, 2012
    I had no idea players are now stupider.;)
     
  6. Sandon Mibut

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    Feb 13, 2001
    #131 Sandon Mibut, Feb 27, 2012
    Yeah, if only we could have more of the college-educated geniuses like Marcelo Balboa, Paul Caligiuri and John Harkes.:eek:
     
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  7. Cliveworshipper

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    #132 Cliveworshipper, Feb 27, 2012
    Touché:D
     
  8. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    #133 Sandon Mibut, Feb 27, 2012
    So here are all the players who have made a World Cup roster for the US since 1990, the college they attended and the number of seasons they played college soccer, if any.

    First is all the players since 1990 then after that each respective WC roster is broken down.

    But, if you don't want to scroll through the whole thing, here's the executive summary regarding college soccer participation in the WC team.

    In 1990, all 22 players on the US team had played college soccer (three were still on college rosters) and all but four of them played four seasons of college soccer. Twenty years later, the 2010 World Cup team had eight players who didn't play college soccer and only four who played four seasons of college ball.


    Code:
    [B]ALL TIME (from 1990)[/B]
PLAYER			COLLEGE		#	WCs
Chris Albright		Virginia			2	06
Jozy Altidore		---			0	10
Desmond Armstrong	Maryland		4	90
Marcelo Balboa		San Diego State		4	90, 94, 98
Jimmy Banks		Wisconsin-Milwaukee	4	90
DaMarcus Beasley	---			0	02, 06, 10
Gregg Berhalter		North Carolina		3	02, 06
Brian Bliss		Southern Connecticut	4	90
Carlos Bocanegra	UCLA			3	06, 10
Jonathan Bornstein	UCLA			4	10
Michael Bradley		---			0	10
Edson Buddle		State Fair CC 		1	10
Mike Burns		Hartwick		4	94, 98
Paul Caligiuri		UCLA			4	90, 94
Steve Cherundolo	Portland		2	02, 06, 10
Brian Ching		Gonzaga		4	06
Ricardo Clark		Furman			2	10
Fernando Clavijo	---			0	94
Jimmy Conrad		UCLA			4	06
Bobby Convey		---			0	06
Neil Covone		Wake Forest		4^	90
Chad Deering		Indiana			2	98
Jay Demerit		Illinois-Chicago		4	10
Clint Dempsey		Furman			3	06, 10
Landon Donovan	---			0	02, 06, 10
Thomas Dooley		---			0	94, 98
John Doyle		San Francisco		4	90
Maurice Edu		Maryland		3	10
Eric Eichmann		Clemson		4	90
Benny Feilhaber		UCLA			2	10
Robbie Findley		Oregon State		4	10
Brad Friedel		UCLA			3	94, 98, 02
Herculez Gomez		---			0	10
Clarence Goodson	Maryland		3	10
Brad Guzan		South Carolina		2	10
Marcus Hahnemann	Seattle Pacific		4	06, 10
John Harkes		Virginia			3	90, 94
Frankie Hejduk		UCLA			3	98, 02
Chris Henderson	UCLA			2^	90
Stuart Holden		Clemson		2	10
Tim Howard		---			0	06, 10
Eddie Johnson		---			0	06
Cobi Jones		UCLA			4	94, 98, 02
Kasey Keller		Portland		4^	90, 98, 02, 06
Frank Klopas		---			0	94
Cle Kooiman		San Diego State		2	94
Paul Krumpe		UCLA			4	90
Mike Lapper		UCLA			4	94
Alexi Lalas		Rutgers			4	94, 98
Eddie Lewis		UCLA			4	02, 06
Carlos Llamosa		---			0	02
Brian Maisonneuve	Indiana			4	98
Pablo Mastroeni	North Carolina State	4	02, 06
Clint Mathis		South Carolina		4	02
Brian McBride		Saint Louis		4	98, 02, 06
Tony Meola		Virginia			2	90, 94, 02
Joe-Max Moore		UCLA			3	94, 98, 02
Bruce Murray		Clemson		4	90
John O’Brien		---			0	02, 06
Ben Olsen		Virginia			3	06
Oguchi Onyewu		Clemson		2	06, 10
Hugo Perez		---			0	94
Eddie Pope		North Carolina		4	98, 02, 06
Preki Radosavljevic	---			0	98
Tab Ramos		North Carolina State	4	90, 94, 98
David Regis		---			0	98, 02
Claudio Reyna		Virginia			3	94, 98, 02, 06
Tony Sanneh		Wisconsin-Milwaukee	4	02
Juergen Sommer	Indiana			4	94, 98
Mike Sorber		Saint Louis		4	94
Jonathan Spector	---			0	10
Earnie Stewart		---			0	94, 98, 02
John Stollmeyer		Indiana			4	90
Chris Sullivan		Tampa			4	90
Jose Torres		---			0	10
Steve Trittschuh		SIU-Edwardsville	4	90
David Vanole		UCLA			4	90
Peter Vermes		Rutgers			4	90
Roy Wegerle		South Florida		2	94, 98
Mike Windischmann	Adelphi			4	90	
Josh Wolff		South Carolina		3	02, 06
Eric Wynalda		San Diego State		3	90, 94, 98

[I]^Were still in college during the World Cup; after the WC Covone and Henderson returned for one more college season, Keller for two.[/I]

[B]1990[/B]
PLAYER			COLLEGE		#	WCs
Marcelo Balboa		San Diego State		4	90, 94, 98
Jimmy Banks		Wisconsin-Milwaukee	4	90
Brian Bliss		Southern Connecticut	4	90
Paul Caligiuri		UCLA			4	90, 94
Neil Covone		Wake Forest		4^	90
John Doyle		San Francisco		4	90
Eric Eichmann		Clemson		4	90
John Harkes		Virginia			3	90, 94
Chris Henderson	UCLA			2^	90
Kasey Keller		Portland		4^	90, 98, 02, 06
Paul Krumpe		UCLA			4	90
Tony Meola		Virginia			2	90, 94, 02
Bruce Murray		Clemson		4	90
Tab Ramos		North Carolina State	4	90, 94, 98
John Stollmeyer		Indiana			4	90
Chris Sullivan		Tampa			4	90
Steve Trittschuh	SIU-Edwardsville	4	90
David Vanole		UCLA			4	90
Peter Vermes		Rutgers			4	90
Mike Windischmann	Adelphi			4	90	
Eric Wynalda		San Diego State		3	90, 94, 98

[I]Every player played college soccer and four played for less than four seasons.

^Were still in college during the World Cup; after the WC Covone and Henderson returned for one more college season, Keller for two.[/I]

[B]1994[/B]
PLAYER			COLLEGE		#	WCs
Marcelo Balboa		San Diego State		4	90, 94, 98
Mike Burns		Hartwick		4	94, 98
Paul Caligiuri		UCLA			4	90, 94
Fernando Clavijo	---			0	94
Thomas Dooley		---			0	94, 98
Brad Friedel		UCLA			3	94, 98, 02
John Harkes		Virginia			3	90, 94
Cobi Jones		UCLA			4	94, 98, 02
Frank Klopas		---			0	94
Cle Kooiman		San Diego State		2	94
Mike Lapper		UCLA			4	94
Alexi Lalas		Rutgers			4	94, 98
Tony Meola		Virginia			2	90, 94, 02
Joe-Max Moore		UCLA			3	94, 98, 02
Hugo Perez		---			0	94
Tab Ramos		North Carolina State	4	90, 94, 98
Claudio Reyna		Virginia			3	94, 98, 02, 06
Juergen Sommer	Indiana			4	94, 98
Mike Sorber		Saint Louis		4	94
Earnie Stewart		---			0	94, 98, 02
Roy Wegerle		South Florida		2	94, 98
Eric Wynalda		San Diego State		3	90, 94, 98

[I]Five DNP college soccer, eight played for less than for seasons.
[/I]
[B]1998[/B]
PLAYER			COLLEGE		#	WCs
Jeff Agoos		Virginia			4	98, 02
Marcelo Balboa		San Diego State		4	90, 94, 98
Mike Burns		Hartwick		4	94, 98
Chad Deering		Indiana			2	98
Thomas Dooley		---			0	94, 98
Brad Friedel		UCLA			3	94, 98, 02
Frankie Hejduk		UCLA			3	98, 02
Cobi Jones		UCLA			4	94, 98, 02
Kasey Keller		Portland		4	90, 98, 02, 06
Alexi Lalas		Rutgers			4	94, 98
Brian Maisonneuve	Indiana			4	98
Brian McBride		Saint Louis		4	98, 02, 06
Joe-Max Moore		UCLA			3	94, 98, 02
Eddie Pope		North Carolina		4	98, 02, 06
Preki Radosavljevic	---			0	98
Tab Ramos		North Carolina State	4	90, 94, 98
David Regis		---			0	98, 02
Claudio Reyna		Virginia			3	94, 98, 02, 06
Juergen Sommer	Indiana			4	94, 98
Earnie Stewart		---			0	94, 98, 02
Roy Wegerle		South Florida		2	94, 98
Eric Wynalda		San Diego State		3	90, 94, 98

[I]Four DNP college soccer, seven more played for less than four seasons.
[/I]
[B]2002[/B]
PLAYER			COLLEGE		#	WCs
Jeff Agoos		Virginia			4	98, 02
DaMarcus Beasley	---			0	02, 06, 10
Gregg Berhalter		North Carolina		3	02, 06
Steve Cherundolo	Portland		2	02, 06, 10
Landon Donovan	---			0	02, 06, 10
Brad Friedel		UCLA			3	94, 98, 02
Frankie Hejduk		UCLA			3	98, 02
Cobi Jones		UCLA			4	94, 98, 02
Kasey Keller		Portland		4	90, 98, 02, 06
Eddie Lewis		UCLA			4	02, 06
Carlos Llamosa		---			0	02
John O’Brien		---			0	02, 06
Pablo Mastroeni	North Carolina State	4	02, 06
Clint Mathis		South Carolina		4	02
Brian McBride		Saint Louis		4	98, 02, 06
Tony Meola		Virginia			2	90, 94, 02
Joe-Max Moore		UCLA			3	94, 98, 02
Eddie Pope		North Carolina		4	98, 02, 06
David Regis		---			0	98, 02
Claudio Reyna		Virginia			3	94, 98, 02, 06
Tony Sanneh		Wisconsin-Milwaukee	4	02
Earnie Stewart		---			0	94, 98, 02
Josh Wolff		South Carolina		3	02, 06

[I]Six DNP college soccer, 8 played three seasons or fewer.[/I]

[B]2006[/B]
PLAYER			COLLEGE		#	WCs
Chris Albright		Virginia			2	06
DaMarcus Beasley	---			0	02, 06, 10
Gregg Berhalter		North Carolina		3	02, 06
Carlos Bocanegra	UCLA			3	06, 10
Steve Cherundolo	Portland		2	02, 06, 10
Brian Ching		Gonzaga		4	06
Jimmy Conrad		UCLA			4	06
Bobby Convey		---			0	06
Clint Dempsey		Furman			3	06, 10
Landon Donovan	---			0	02, 06, 10
Marcus Hahnemann	Seattle Pacific		4	06, 10
Tim Howard		---			0	06, 10
Eddie Johnson		---			0	06
Kasey Keller		Portland		4	90, 98, 02, 06
Eddie Lewis		UCLA			4	02, 06
John O’Brien		---			0	02, 06
Ben Olsen		Virginia			3	06
Oguchi Onyewu		Clemson		2	06, 10
Pablo Mastroeni	North Carolina State	4	02, 06
Brian McBride		Saint Louis		4	98, 02, 06
Eddie Pope		North Carolina		4	98, 02, 06
Claudio Reyna		Virginia			3	94, 98, 02, 06
Josh Wolff		South Carolina		3	02, 06

[I]Six DNP college soccer, nine played three seasons or less. [/I]

[B]2010[/B]
PLAYER			COLLEGE		#	WCs
Jozy Altidore		---			0	10
DaMarcus Beasley	---			0	02, 06, 10
Carlos Bocanegra	UCLA			3	06, 10
Jonathan Bornstein	UCLA			4	10
Michael Bradley		---			0	10
Edson Buddle		State Fair CC 		1	10
Steve Cherundolo	Portland		2	02, 06, 10
Ricardo Clark		Furman			2	10
Jay Demerit		Illinois-Chicago		4	10
Clint Dempsey		Furman			3	06, 10
Landon Donovan	---			0	02, 06, 10
Maurice Edu		Maryland		3	10
Benny Feilhaber	UCLA			2	10
Robbie Findley		Oregon State		4	10
Clarence Goodson	Maryland		3	10
Herculez Gomez	---			0	10
Brad Guzan		South Carolina		2	10
Marcus Hahnemann	Seattle Pacific		4	06, 10
Tim Howard		---			0	06, 10
Stuart Holden		Clemson		2	10
Oguchi Onyewu		Clemson		2	06, 10
Jonathan Spector	---			0	10
Jose Torres		---			0	10

[I]Eight DNP college soccer, 11 played less than four seasons[/I].
     
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  9. collegesoccer

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    Apr 11, 2005
    #134 collegesoccer, Feb 27, 2012
    You can look at even further and notice that for the most part, the players that went to college stayed multiple years. Only Edson Buddle was a one and done. I think that this is the trend rather than saying there is a rapid decline in average college years played. There was no other option in the early years and we were immature as a nation such that current college players could make the team. It's like saying kids spend more time on their computer and smart phones today than they did in 1990. There has been an impact, but to go from 17/22 to 15/22 from 2006 to 2010 is not exactly earth shattering given the number of players who skipped college during that time.

    I would expect the trend to be, as mentioned many, many times on this thread, that the number will probably level off with about 1/2 the players going the pro route right away, about 1/2 the players coming through the college system with most of those players playing at least two season while a limited or smaller percentage will play all four years.

    To paraphrase Mark Twain "the reports of college soccer's pending death have been greatly exaggerated"
     
  10. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    #135 Sandon Mibut, Feb 27, 2012
    I don't think anyone participating in this thread has said college soccer is dying.

    Nor is anyone denying that some players in the national team pool will spend some time in college.

    What some of us are, however, saying is that for the elite players, playing four seasons of college soccer makes it more and more unlikely you will have much of a career with the youth and senior national teams and that turning pro earlier seems to help make the U23 team and that the senior team is most definitely trending away from four-year college players.

    This isn't to suggest that you can't play four seasons of college ball and still be a strong player with a national team future. Tim Ream, he of four seasons at Saint Louis, just made his EPL debut this weekend and by most accounts did very well and if he keeps that form up in England, he will undoubtedly be part of the national team picture.

    But people like Tim Ream, in this era of American soccer, are the exception rather than the norm.
     
  11. VivrantThing

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    Apr 19, 2010
    #136 VivrantThing, Feb 27, 2012
    Actually, until we as a country focus on the ages of 6-12, the gap between college players and those wanting to turn pro at 16 years old will not get much wider. Because by the time they are 16 it is too late. Ask Claudio Reyna, Clint Dempsey, Landon, John O'Brien what they were doing at that age. Something tells me it has nothing to do with ipads, video games, two training sessions a week of standing in lines and games on the weekend with a bunch of parents pushing results and big kicks.
     
  12. Hararea

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    Jan 21, 2005
    #137 Hararea, Feb 27, 2012
    Sifting through Sandon's info, I count a total of 19 World Cup squad members who didn't attend college. They break down as

    -- 6 players who were raised entirely outside the US. In 2006 and 2010 we didn't have any such players, but now they're coming back with a vengeance.

    -- 9 players who were part of our U17 national team and/or Bradenton. With the exception of Bradenton's first team, the level of talent coming through the YNT pipeline has been only a trickle.

    -- 2 players who started out by leaving for Mexico. Recently, this has become a much more common practice, and it's too early to say what the results will be.

    -- 2 players (Klopas, Perez) who signed with the NASL straight out of high school. Obviously, the NASL isn't around much any more.

    -- 0 non-U17s who signed with MLS straight out of high school. Obviously, the homegrown player route could potentially do a lot more.

    Would be nice to see MLS play a bigger role in this.
     
  13. Hararea

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    Jan 21, 2005
    #138 Hararea, Feb 27, 2012
    Ream may have a higher ceiling than most, but there are still plenty of four-year college players around the fringes of our national team pool.

    If we put three-year and four-year players into the same bin, then they aren't exceptions at all, making up something like 40% of our squad to face Italy.
     
  14. collegesoccer

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    Apr 11, 2005
    #139 collegesoccer, Feb 27, 2012
    '
    ... I am reading the thread as "Go pro as soon as possible". Not sure that you want to go pro "as soon as possible". Stats say that it is good to spend a little time in college until you are ready to go "pro". Maybe with a little time in college Freddy A-do might not have become Freddy A-don't.

    Alphonso Mondelo stated that he saw a day within 10 years where our national team would have no college players on it. This was when Alphonso took over the wildly unsuccessful Project 40 in 2000. Why would he say this ? Because he believed that a European/South American model would work in a US culture where the distance for travel is great, actual physical clubs as the center of a community do not exist, and the $$$ - and more importantly potential $$$ - minimal.
     
  15. harvcat

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    Sep 26, 2011
    #140 harvcat, Feb 28, 2012
    While I personally think that less college soccer is better for development, I don’t think that you can conclude that from this data. There is no control for factors like talent level. For example if you saw data that kids from Harvard make more money you can’t conclude causation without knowing other factors like High school grades, scores, etc. They likely would have made more regardless of school choice. In soccer the best prospects leave school earlier which is an indicator of their superior talent. Leaving school early may contribute to their chance of a successful career but you can’t conclude that from these numbers.

    The reason I think that college yrs will continue to decline is an increase in the ease of access to a domestic professional league through the HG rule. Elite players who are not at MLS academies (which is the majority) still have to take somewhat circuitous paths to MLS. I think that increasing affiliates between local youth clubs and MLS teams (coupled with ever more lucrative contracts) will continue the declining role of college soccer.
     
  16. Cliveworshipper

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    #141 Cliveworshipper, Feb 28, 2012

    Cherundolo was a good example of this. He went to Portland to be with Clive Charles and develop Physically with their conditioning program and trusted Clive to tell him when to go to Germany. After his Sophomore year, he left.
     
  17. SUDano

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    #142 SUDano, Feb 29, 2012
    Players will still go to college. Using Cherundolo as an example from 15 yrs ago doesn't tell us much about what will happen over the next 5. So much has changed in 5 yrs let alone 15 yrs ago.
     
  18. Sandon Mibut

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    Feb 13, 2001
    #143 Sandon Mibut, Feb 29, 2012
    Seasons of college soccer for today's US players against Italy...

    STARTERS
    Howard - 0
    Cherundolo - 2
    Goodson - 3
    Bocanegra - 3
    Johnson - 0
    Williams - 0
    Edu - 3
    Bradley - 0
    Shea - 0
    Dempsey - 3
    Altidore - 0

    SUBS:
    Kjlestan - 3
    Spector - 0
    Boyd - 0
    Buddle - 1

    Eight of the 15 DNP college soccer. Of the remaining 7, one played one season of (Junior) college ball, one played two seasons and five played three seasons.

    The goal-scorer, of course, played three seasons of college ball and was mostly unknown coming out of HS and needed college ball to get discovered.

    Lastly, no one on the losing team played college soccer.;)
     
  19. Cliveworshipper

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    #144 Cliveworshipper, Feb 29, 2012
    They need to get about 20 years of college experience on the team, huh?
     
  20. headerdunce

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    Dec 19, 2005
    #145 headerdunce, Mar 1, 2012
    Nah, college coaches don't have the savvy to teach proper diving. Takes a professional environment in Italy to perfect.
     
  21. Sandon Mibut

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    Feb 13, 2001
    #146 Sandon Mibut, Mar 1, 2012
    Seasons of college soccer for the US U23 guys who played in yesterday's 2-0 win over Mexico, in which they were dominant for long stretches.

    STARTERS
    Hamid – 0
    Sarkodie – 3 (Akron)
    Opara (c) – 3 (Wake Forest)
    Kitchen - 1 (Akron)
    Valentin – 2 (Akron)
    Morales – 0
    Diskerud – 0
    Corona - 1 (San Diego State)
    Adu – 0
    Agudelo - 0
    Gyau – 0

    SUBS
    Johnson – 2 (Central Florida)
    Bunbury – 2 (Akron)
    Taylor – 2 (Jacksonville)
    Dilly Duka – 2 (Rutgers)
    Okugo – 1 (UCLA)
     
  22. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    #147 Sandon Mibut, Mar 1, 2012
    So in the senior and U23 teams games yesterday, combined the US used 31 players.

    Of those, 14 did not play college soccer. Four played one seasons of college soccer. Six played two seasons of college soccer. Seven played three seasons. None played four seasons.
     
  23. SUDano

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    Rochester, NY
    #148 SUDano, Mar 1, 2012
    1.19 Avg. Dropping quicker than I thought. Wild Ass Guess Dept. We'll be slightly below 1 by 2014 World Cup
     
  24. bisbee

    bisbee Member

    Sep 9, 2010
    #149 bisbee, Mar 1, 2012
    How many of the guys that did not attend college were raised abroad where college for many is a moot point?
     
  25. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    #150 Sandon Mibut, Mar 1, 2012
    Five - Johnson, Williams and Boyd who played against Italy and Diskerud and Morales who played against Mexico.
     
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