Cobreloa 2012 (R)

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  1. Herzeg-Croat

    Herzeg-Croat Red Card

    Jan 16, 2012
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    Yes, Serbia is the host of this EURO, Croatia was the host of world cup before 2,3 years. Higher level, we were second.:mad: France won against us with intentional referee errors. Serbs would support every Croatian opponent. That's in their nature. For example they have two victories also, but I haven't watched their games against Poland and Denmark. I don't care if they win, but they like when we lose.:D Imagine how much they are jelaous because football Euro 2012. Same as Muslim Bosnian fans.:D

    Slovenia - Croatia 29:31, same result was before two days against Iceland for Croatia. We receive a lot of goals, but attack functions. For now we have 4 points from two matches. Victory brings 2 points, tie brings 1 point. It was hard against Slovenia. They are strong, tall, they have some players of Serbian heritage, Dragan Galic I beleive, but not sure. He is maybe Croat.

    I can't watch Wikipedia, so here is official website of European Handball Federation - EHF

    Group A: http://www.ehf-euro.com/Schedule-Results.2197.0.html
    Group B: http://www.ehf-euro.com/Group-B.2962.0.html
    Group C: http://www.ehf-euro.com/Group-C.2972.0.html
    Group D: http://www.ehf-euro.com/Group-D.2982.0.html

    Waterpolo official website: http://www.len.eu/cms?events+championships+eindhoven2012+schedule

    Only two groups. Croatia is with Serbia, Germany, Romania, Montenegro and Spain.

    Romania and Montenegro are down.:) Against Serbia and Spain would be so difficult. Spanish team has one Brazilian player Ricardo Perone, both brothers play for Spain, and one Cuban player I think, Acevedo. These sports are popular in Europe, they have a lot of full contact, injuries, punches especially under water.

    Also Croatian club Medvescak from Zagreb has good result in EBEL league.
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTPy1HhkdBM"]Arena Ice-Fever: MEDVE??AK - KAC: 5-on-3 PP - YouTube[/ame]

    Official website: http://www.erstebankliga.at/

    Medvescak Zagreb is on the second place. Ice hockey clubs are combined from several countries: Slovenia, Croatia, Austria, Hungary, Czech R. and nobody else. Old Austro Hungarian team.:)

    Fixtures: http://www.erstebankliga.at/de/spielplan/spielplan_11_12

    This EBEL league is not good like Russian, Finish, Swedish, German, Suisse or US&Canadian.:D But this league has intention to be better. Some speculations are that Medvescak will play in Russian league.
     
  2. JAIME CHILE

    JAIME CHILE Member+

    Apr 26, 2006
    V.Alemana y Stgo
    Club:
    Cobreloa Calama
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Tomorrow Cobreloa would play Cobresal at the ANFP Complex(Peñalolén, Stgo.) It's not confirmed.

    Some young players would be send on loan: Milton Ivy (goalkeeper), Ngouloure Mahamat (cameroonian central back), Gustavo Ponce(attacking midfielder), and maybe Michael Araya (deffensive midfielder).
     
  3. JAIME CHILE

    JAIME CHILE Member+

    Apr 26, 2006
    V.Alemana y Stgo
    Club:
    Cobreloa Calama
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Emerson Jorquera, young forward, top scorer in 3rd division's club Barnechea, is our new player.

    Rodrigo Meléndez(Iquique) said that he wants to come back to play in Cobreloa. He can play as central back or deffensive midfielder. His wife is from Calama (he was Champion in Cobreloa 2003).
     
  4. JAIME CHILE

    JAIME CHILE Member+

    Apr 26, 2006
    V.Alemana y Stgo
    Club:
    Cobreloa Calama
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Felipe Muñoz, defender and defensive midfielder, is our 8th new player.
    Until 2011 he played in Universidad de Concepción.
    In 2005, he played the U20 World Cup in Netherlands.
     
  5. JAIME CHILE

    JAIME CHILE Member+

    Apr 26, 2006
    V.Alemana y Stgo
    Club:
    Cobreloa Calama
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Continúan las negociaciones por el delantero paraguayo Manuel Maciel de Libertad de Asunción.
    Jugó en Univ.de Concepción.
     
  6. Herzeg-Croat

    Herzeg-Croat Red Card

    Jan 16, 2012
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    Cobreloa is in the shopping mall.:D Eight players so far. This could be good, but also bad, if they won't play fast as a team. But it's always good to see that club buys. Best clubs buy after all.:D

    Waterpolo: bad result for Croatia. We lost against Serbia 15-12. They were better mostly, at the start it was equal, (2-2,3-3), but after this they scored 2,3 goals in a row, in waterpolo there is not many miracles.

    Also one video is out. Croatian player Niksa Dobud (shares the surname with Chilean player Seymour Dobud) hited one Serbian player in the face.:D He didn't wanted to accept Croatian defeat. Dobud was not fair, but what can you do.:rolleyes: Passion, temperament player from Dubrovnik. Also Seymour has heritage from Dubrovnik, because this surname is so rare, even in Croatia. Probably several houses, or smaller quarter.

    Niksa Dobud: http://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikša_Dobud

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAh26uCbXc4&feature=player_embedded"]Niksa Dobud udara pesnicom Filipa Filipovica! Filipovic vraca posvecenim golom i sa 3 prsta! [ HD ] - YouTube[/ame]

    It was not so strong. Victim was Filip Filipovic. Also Croatian media are saying how this was disgrace of Dobud. But they weren't in the pool. Maybe they used provocations.

    Filip Filipovic after this punch: looks bad.

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    Serbian coach said on this video: No hiting, no provocations. Translation: (Nema udaranja, nema provokacija) (Serbian&Croatian language: Provokacija). Comentators are from Serbian TV.

    With this defeat Croatia won't go directly in semifinals. We need to go first in quarter finals, but we need to win against Germany and Spain. Germany did one huge surprise by winning against Spain.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Men's_European_Water_Polo_Championship

    Winners of these two groups are going in semifinals. Two second teams are going in quarterfinals. At the moment we are third. Serbia could lose against Montenegro maybe. Spain could win against Montenegro. But this isn't good at all for now. Serbia can let the victory for Montenegro, so that Montenegrins can go in quarterfinals as second team.

    21.1. Croatia-Germany, 8.30PM CET (Eindhoven)
    23.1. Croatia-Espana, 1PM CET

    In handball we play against Norway today. If we win, we are first in our group and we can transfer four points in the next stage. There we should play against Spain and France (gato negro para nosotros).:D

    Is waterpolo and handball popular in South America? Brazil was host of female World Cup in handball.

    Argentina and Brazil have some participations on World Cups and Olympics. In 2003 World Cup (Portugal host), Croatia has lost against Argentina in the first match and after that we won all matches and achieve world title. It was 30-31 for Argentina. One of the biggest surprises on that World Cup.:)

    Another El Classico finished with Barcelona victory. 1-2 on Santiago Bernabeu.
    But Pepe did one major scandal in Copa del Rey against Barcelona.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/video/2012/jan/19/real-madrid-pepe-messi-hand-video

    Also one discovery in Croatia, the oldest astrologic board in one cave on island Peljesac. This means that we were always "fog sellers".:)

    http://www.livescience.com/17943-oldest-astrologer-board-zodiac.html

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  7. JAIME CHILE

    JAIME CHILE Member+

    Apr 26, 2006
    V.Alemana y Stgo
    Club:
    Cobreloa Calama
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    So many new players can be dangerous, yeah. But I think that only 2 of them will be starters (Canío and Milla, maybe Muñoz too). The rest of the team will be the same, fortunately.
    Yesterday I went to the concentration hotel again. The players feel happy and confident. No injuries so far. Today are training in the morning in the ANFP Complex in Santiago, and after lunch they will get back to Calama.

    Waterpolo is a popular sport in the north of Chile (Arica and Iquique basically). In the rest of Chile is not popular at all.

    Handball is not popular, but we have a competitive National Team. Even more, 1 Chilean handball player plays in F.C.Barcelona(Spain): Marco Oneto, from Quilpué (Región de Valparaíso). He's brother of one of my former schoolmates.:D
    In the Panamerican Games 2011 in Mexico, Chile lost the semifinal in a dramatic match against Argentina 26:25. I think we deserved the victory because we put much more "heart" and "balls" than the argentines. But our goalkeeper during the 1rst part of the game was horrible. Our coach changed him, and the 2nd goalkeeper played an extraordinary match. At the end, Argentina won the golden medal, Brazil won the silver medal, and Chile won the bronze medal.
    Our handball NT: Guillermo Araya, Felipe Barrientos, Rodolfo Cornejo, Rodrigo Díaz, Emil Feuchtmann, Erwin Feuchtmann, Harald Feuchtmann, Nicolas Jofré, Patricio Martínez, Felipe Maurin, René Oliva, Marco Oneto, Esteban Salinas, Rodrigo Salinas and Alfredo Valenzuela.

    Barça won again in Madrid (LOL!). Eric Abidal, ex-COBRELOA Alexis Sánchez and Carles Puyol were the best players in my opinion. As cobreloíno, I'm very proud about "Dilla" Sánchez, he's our best player in this moment.
     
  8. Herzeg-Croat

    Herzeg-Croat Red Card

    Jan 16, 2012
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    It's important that Cobreloa keeps the "spine" of the team that played so good in the last year.

    What was on the lunch menu?:D Probably pasta and roasted chicken.:D Footballers usually say that they can't stand pasta anymore.:rolleyes:

    In Iquique lives a lot of Croats (Dalmatians). Meybe they brought this popularity. In Croatian national team they are mostly Dalmatians, or they have heritage from this region. You need to be strong, tall, fast swimmer, strong arms and skills in tactics. USA and Australia are also good in waterpolo, they invested a lot of moeny in this sport, new waterpolo countries.

    FC Barcelona is handball institution, with Ciudad Real, Ademar Leon, Portland San Antonio (Pamplona). German clubs like Kiel, Lemgo, Magdeburg, Flensburg. French Montpellier, Chamberry and Croatian club Zagreb. These clubs combine probably top 10 in Europe. Spanish and German league are the strongest.

    One Slovenian player plays for Argentina, Kogovsek. Chile has 3 Feuchtmann's. They are probably all Germans.

    I watch waterpolo and handball just because Croatia plays key role there. But in Europe, football is number one, in Croatia also. Non football sportspeople often say how they can't be in media, even though they win trophies more than footballers. Handball and waterpolo are brutal and ruff sports. Imagine when you run into the defensive "wall" of 2 meters and 100 kg. A lot of injuries. For example one Polish player lost one eye. Croatian player was not carefull and his finger went in his eye. It was not intentional. One Slovenian player Ales Pajovic (Montenegrin origins), he kicked one Croatian player with intention.

    Polish player Karol Bielecki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karol_Bielecki

    He still playes with glass eye and protection, like Edgar Davids. To bad, he is great player. Poland won some medals on competitions:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poland_national_handball_team

    Spanish team: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poland_national_handball_team

    One of the strongest in all history.

    France, best team in recent 5 years:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_national_handball_team

    They use immigrants, their best player is Nikola Karabatic, Croatian father, Serbian mother, born in Serbia. Croats don't like him at all. He prefers to be Yugoslav/Serbian. His father played handball in Serbian city Nis and he met his future wife there.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Karabatić

    Nikola took some videos and he always finished with naked men in locker room, in bars.:) His eyes say that he is a bad person.:) He was in some verbal conflicts with our players during the matches against Croatia.

    But Croatian player Ivano Balic is considered as the best player in history of handball. Karabatic is probably the second.

    Ivano Balic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivano_Balić

    He has origins from West Herzegovina, city of Tomislavgrad.
    http://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomislavgrad

    "Poznate osobe" means Famous persons from Tomislavgrad. He is still active, but with 32 years it goes slower.:)

    Alexis Sanchez also scored against Osasuna in Copa del Rey. To bad that Barcelona loses points as guest team, from smaller clubs. Real Madrid could win all matches, but if they lose against Barcelona they could be champions. Mourinho was very angry on media. He said: Blame me and leave players alone.:D Barcelona is creating complexess for Real Madrid.:D
     
  9. JAIME CHILE

    JAIME CHILE Member+

    Apr 26, 2006
    V.Alemana y Stgo
    Club:
    Cobreloa Calama
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Yesterday I don't know what was the menu. Today it's 11 a.m, it's too early to lunch.:D

    Feuchtmann brothers are from Punta Arenas(south of Chile as you know). Also, Inga Feuchtmann plays in the Women's handball NT. Emil, Erwin and Harald play in the german league.

    Mourinho still exists? Mourinho still talks?:D
     
  10. Herzeg-Croat

    Herzeg-Croat Red Card

    Jan 16, 2012
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    Interesting handball video: love between Ivano Balic and Nikola Karabatic. They are not in good relations. Good proof is that Serbian fans adore him. If they adore someone we don't like this person and opposite, if we like somebody, they don't like this person.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0384_uBhbo"]Bali? vs Karabati? - YouTube[/ame]

    This was in Croatia World Cup - Zagreb Arena. Whole hall yelled Kill, Kill the Serb. Karabatic hited Balic in his face. Karabatic just smiled after his bad start. I don't know why he doesn't like Croats, after all his father is a Croat. He always brings some weird statements and because of them Croats don't like him.

    France won in this final with referee intentional errors. Croatia invested a lot in new and modern halls, they build 7 new halls for this 2009 World Cup.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Men's_Handball_Championship

    Evidence of bad criteria: [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEkMKXx288A"]Croatia-France,Finale Igor Vori loptom plashi sudca - YouTube[/ame]

    He scared the referee with the ball, he decided so many decicions against Croatia.

    In other opportunities host is always protected, but not Croatia. They even took our title infront of our fans.

    2009 World Men's Handball Championship Croatia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_World_Men's_Handball_Championship

    Chile could be good in handball, it's a contact sport, if they can be good in football, they can be good in handball. It's strange to me how England, Holland, Portugal, Italy can't create good handball team. Sweden is the best team when you count medals.

    Romania was also good before 90's, but now they are weak.

    Mourinho still exists. Nobody knows where he buys the batteries for himself. He is always covering his decisions. Everyone is guilty for his bad results.:rolleyes:
     
  11. JAIME CHILE

    JAIME CHILE Member+

    Apr 26, 2006
    V.Alemana y Stgo
    Club:
    Cobreloa Calama
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Cobreloa is coming back to Calama right now.

    Preaseason will continue tomorrow.

    Possible upcoming friendly matches:
    On Thursday 26th against Alianza de Lima(Perú) and tuesday 31st against San Marcos(2nd division).
     
  12. Herzeg-Croat

    Herzeg-Croat Red Card

    Jan 16, 2012
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    Alianza de Lima would be good test for Cobreloa, they were also second in Peruvian championship. They lost on penalties against Juan Aurich. Alianza de Lima is best club in Peruvian history I think.

    Euro in Handball: Croatia-Norway 26-20. Croatia is transfering 4 points as the first team, and goes in the city of Novi Sad. Away from Belgrade.:D

    France lost against Hungary, big surprise. They are now in big crisis.
    Croatia will play against Spain, France and Hungary. If we win in at least two matches we are in the semifinals.:D

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxMGQrtUvLA&feature=player_embedded"]European Men's Handball Ch 2012: France - Hungary - YouTube[/ame]

    Hungarian reporter.

    Now there are only two groups: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_European_Men's_Handball_Championship

    Before there were four groups. First three from all four groups go further. Norway isn't going further, only Slovenia and Iceland from our group.

    Candidates for semifinals are Germany, Serbia, Poland, Croatia and Spain. France, Denmark, Iceland, Sweden and Norway did negative surprise. Macedonia is e pleasant surprise. They didn't had any results before and now they play in second phase.

    Semifinals and finale are in Belgrade.

    Novi Sad: This is multicultural city, because of this we are here.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novi_Sad

    Players of Iceland said that Slovenia, Iceland and Slovenia don't have the same treatman in hotel. Croatia is alone in one five star hotel, and these three teams are in three star hotel.:D Vrsac is a small city. When we were hosts every team was in five star hotels, like Sheraton, Regency, Westin, etc.

    Is preseason important in Chilean championship? I saw on tv, that Brazil has regional championships now.

    I saw weird matches, like Bayern Munchen - India, in India. It was a goodbye match of best Indian footballer. Don't know his name.

    I think that Ajax was also in South America, preparation matches, maybe Brazil. Not sure.
     
  13. JAIME CHILE

    JAIME CHILE Member+

    Apr 26, 2006
    V.Alemana y Stgo
    Club:
    Cobreloa Calama
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Fueron presentados 5 de los 8 nuevos jugadores de Cobreloa:
    Felipe Flores(delantero), Gerson Martínez(delantero), Cristián Canío(mediocampista y delantero), Cristián Milla(delantero argentino) y Sebastián Villegas(defensa y mediocampista).

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    Felipe Muñoz(defensa y mediocampista) no había llegado aún a Calama para la foto.

    José Acevedo(arquero) fue confirmado.

    Sebastián Roco seguirá 3 años más en Cobreloa:), pese a que tenía una oferta de San Lorenzo de Almagro(ARG), muy baja a juicio de los dirigentes.

    Juan Abarca(defensa de Univ.de Chile), desechado por el Twente(HOL), podría ser el nuevo defensa de Cobreloa.

    Manuel Maciel(delantero paraguayo) de Libertad(PAR) podría ser el nuevo delantero de Cobreloa.

    Cobreloa will play Alianza Lima netx thursday, now it's official.:) They played against other Chilean teams duringt this week (2nd division's Barnechea, Unión Española and O'Higgins).

    Yes, the preseason is very important for every club. Unfortunately Cobreloa (and la U) don't have enough time to do it, because we played the Final on december 29th.

    Ajax played in Chile in 1994 or 1995, against Universidad Católica (I remember that W.Bogarde and De Boer were part of that team).
     
  14. Herzeg-Croat

    Herzeg-Croat Red Card

    Jan 16, 2012
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    They look happy. New uniformes look good. In Europe we have only preparation matches, but it's not terrible if they lose here. Bad thing are injuries.:D

    Croatia was robbed in three sports for now.:D

    1. Waterpolo against Germany.
    2. Handball against Spain
    3. Alipine Ski Racing.

    1. Croatian player Andro Buslje was punished against Germany for four minutes. That's a lot in waterpolo. He swimmed out in huge pain. He was hited in the place where hurts a lot.:D Does he looks like hi commited foul?

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7mLtXs0AaQ"]www.dubrovniktv.net - Nesportski potez: Andra Bu?lju zgrabio za testise! - YouTube[/ame]

    It was 4-2 here. After this Germans went on 8-4. When we got equal number of players we came until 9-9, and than referees gave decision: foul in the attack and they scored for 10-9.

    2. Against Spain in handball. we had leadership during the whole match. They are good, but not better than us. Tomorrow we play against France. Another opportunity for referees.:)

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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTLSPx6xP5c&feature=player_embedded"]?pa vs hrv - zadnje minute - YouTube[/ame]

    Spanish players scored for 22-21 and referees expulsed our player. Maqueda also scored from the blue field. Wrong goal. Terrible.

    3. Ski

    http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/sp...-dq-loses-2012-unbeaten-record-137374783.html

    Austrian skier, Marcel Hirscher rided stick in Zagreb and everyone saw this after 2,3 weeks and Austrians admitted this. He won there, he should be disqualified and he did this again yesterday in Austrian Kitzbuhel.
    He went to the finish line, like nothing happened.

    And even he was unfair in two races, Croatian skier is on the first place overall. Austrians are protecting their skier who is the only one who can threat Ivica Kostelic. Kostelic has around 130 points advantage.

    If you feel the stick under your skies or between your legs you should give up. But he went to the finish line and after that he saw the slow motion making himself as complete ignorant.:D Terrible treatman for Croatian teams. This is because Croatia is small, it's important that bigger countries watch on TV their teams, like Spain, Germany. Sport became so sad.

    Now we play in waterpolo against Spain. 11-9 for Croatia.:rolleyes: Serbia can let victory for Montenegro and they could go both further. Boring to watch, when referees do this.

    Yesterday (22.1.) was referendum for EU in Croatia. Only 43% people went out. And 66% voted for European Union, 33% against. Nobody cares for EU, because Croatia had most strict negotiations. Now Croatia can help to Italy, Spain, Portugal, Greece, Romania, Bulgaria.:) Slovenia blocked Croatia for one year.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatian_European_Union_membership_referendum,_2012

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Croatia_to_the_European_Union

    Nobody is happy because of EU entrance. Because EU is in crisis now. Also where Croatia enters, this community breaks up. (Austro-Hungarian Monarchy, Kingdom of Yugoslavia, Yugoslavia). At least Croats choosed should they enter in EU. In these three afilations Croats could not decide.

    Match between Croatia and Spain in waterpolo finished 11-10 for Croatia. We had 11-6. Referees were ok, but Croatian mentality did another drama match. Terrible. But we won.

    Now we must wait the match Serbia - Montenegro. Now Croats support Serbia.:) But they will lose with intention.
     
  15. JAIME CHILE

    JAIME CHILE Member+

    Apr 26, 2006
    V.Alemana y Stgo
    Club:
    Cobreloa Calama
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Defender Juan Abarca (Universidad de Chile) is our new player.:)
    Twente wanted him, but he had a problem with the dutch coach.

    These are not the new t-shirts. Those uniforms are only for training.

    The Lotto new t-shirt is this:
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    I just love it.

    Well, same here. If you lose a friendly match is not a big trouble, except if you lose against a 2nd division club, like Colocolo last week (they lost against Unión Temuco, LOL!!!)

    I see that the german player hited Andro in that zone, so I don't get why the referee punished him and did not punished the german.

    Also, Maqueda put half foot in the blue zone. I don't know the rules of the handball for this situation.

    I remember when Chile played Spain last year, and the referee invented a penalty in the last minute for Spain (Arbeloa dove). I think there is a lot of intentional mistakes in many sports, and aparently always seems to be in favour of the "big dogs".:mad:
     
  16. Herzeg-Croat

    Herzeg-Croat Red Card

    Jan 16, 2012
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    Juan Abarca sounds like a good job for Cobreloa.:D Twente is having good time in recent Dutch seasons.

    Croatia isn't going further in waterpolo. Act of bad referees and Serbian-Montenegrin conspiracy.:D

    Serbia was defeated against Montenegro 7-11. We could go further if Serbia had won this match. We are better than Montenegro, Serbia was better than Croatia. So Serbia is better than Montenegro. Betting institutions told that Serbia was favorite but on the daymatch Montenegro became favorite.:D We could play better against Germany, but the expulsion of Andro Buslje turned the match in German benefit.:p

    In handball, Ivano Balic said: handball makes me sick, referees do their job always against someone. Also Sweden said that Serbia is protected and Serbia won 24-21.

    Today we need to play against France. France is in bad situation, but possible victory brings them in semifinals. I assume that referees should do their work.:D

    Cobreloa uniform looks great. Everything is well positioned, Lotto is a brand with reputation.

    I saw that Corinthians almost lost against Mirasol. Defender of Mirasol gave own goal.:confused: Campeonato Paulista. We can watch these highlights in Europe. I saw one Chilean swimmer, who is swimming through ice water in Chilean waters.:eek:

    Temuco was the birthplace of Marcelo Salas.

    Yes, it's really strange why Buslje got the expulsion. Germany has more people, better TV market, they are becoming good waterpolo nation. Referees know who is best defender or best attacker in our team, only five players. If they expulse one of them, or both, opponent will achieve something. Competetive sport became cruel and useless for fans.

    For example Croatia never had any referee in waterpolo, tennis, handball, basketball, football. We had some kind results here, at least 10 medals from all these sports.

    Croatian Ski coach Ante Kostelic and the father of our two best skiers can't create ski tracks more often, even though his children were Olympic winners.

    Ante Kostelic was great handball player, but he could not play in Yugoslavian NT, because his Croatian aspirations. He came than in Ski world. He said: I want to create champions. And he did it. One of the best tactical and shape developers.

    http://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ante_Kostelić

    He was the best goal scorer in Yugoslav NT at that time.:rolleyes:

    Croatia, as small nation always must fear of referees (football, handball, basketball, waterpolo, skiing). I noticed bad treatman in these sports.

    In handball we were robbed against France (WC Finale 2009), Spain (Euro 2012) and maybe 2,3 more matches. who can remember all of them.

    In football we were robbed against Germany (EURO 1996, Babel did one foul on the right side, obvious foul, he centered, Sammer scored, finished 1-2), France (EURO 2004, Trezeguet played with the hand before scoring, finished 2-2), Yugoslavia (EURO Qualifications 1999, Suker scored, but not accepted, not over line, but it was, finished 2-2), Turkey (EURO 2008, this match durated 122 minutes, usual is 120 minutes, there was no injuries or resting on the ground, finished 1-1, after we had 11 meters.), Australia (WC 2006, Kewell scored from offside, fisnished 2-2).

    Our opponent in football was robbed only once (Italy WC 2002).

    What would EURO 2012 bring. Spain, Italy must win.:D

    In waterpolo against Germany (Euro 2012). I don't remember what happened before. It was also fan riots in Slovenian Kranj, between Croatian and Serbian fans.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4deuofFMBkk"]serbia - croatia resumen water polo Kranj 03 Final.flv - YouTube[/ame]

    Croatian-Serbian friendship in waterpolo.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrGKhebLjeY"]Neredi u Kranju - YouTube[/ame]

    Basketball: Cibona Zagreb - Partizan

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RK5rxYBpMaM&feature=related"]Neredi na utakmici Cibona - Partizan - YouTube[/ame]

    Australian Open:

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8D3ZGN9YEjc&feature=related"]Serbs vs. Croatians - YouTube[/ame]

    Intentional foul of Mirkovic against Croatian Robert Jarni:

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngLn3io8Qyg&feature=related"]Hrvatska-Jugoslavija ZAGREB 1999 - YouTube[/ame]

    NIksa Dobud said: I am not sorry because of hiting Serbian waterpolo player Filipovic, he said some things to me.:rolleyes:

    Rules of handball, waterpolo are not standardised always. Fundamental rule in handball is, that you need to jump before the blue field and "fly" in the air and shoot the before landing on this blue space. But judges can say: The game was fast, I didn't saw. Usual thoughts and words.

    Also foul in the attack and in defense is very popular. What is with intention and what is not. If you have the attack and the result is 23-22 for you, judges can say that someone of your players did on foul or you did something and the ball comes in the ownership of your opponents, you can't organise defense so fast when they all run to your goal. And they can score for 23-23.

    Also you can get 2 minutes of expulsion in handball.

    Handball rules: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Team_handball

    There are always 2,3 judges who decide. And they can always find something. Also handball has steps like in basketball. I don't understand this rule very good. I understand in the basketball. Also in handball there is passive attack. If you pass the ball from one side to other and if you don't have tendention for scoring or playing forward referees can take your ball. But there is no any time limit. Is it 2 minutes, 4 minutes of passing the ball passive style?:D

    Handball is fast and attractive, but I watch just because of Croatia. Waterpolo is mostly boring. You can't see nothing under water, fouls, punches, referees and viewers can see the same match on different way. Good proof is video of Andro Buslje who suffered obvious foul.

    Hosts of competitions were always popular, but Croatia as handball host in Zagreb 2009 was robbed against France in finals. If Croatia plays against France, Sweden, Serbia, Denmark, Norway, Iceland, Germany, Spain than we can say that we have best matches that handball can bring.

    We can include also Hungary, Slovenia. Russia was great team in 90's but now they are bad.

    I remember this Chilean - Spanish meeting. 3-2 for Spain?
    FIFA and UEFA consider that they need to protect: Germany, Spain, France, Italy, Argentina.

    England, Holland, Portugal don't have good treatman when we look whole history. Especially finals in 1978. Argentina - Holland. There were so many Argentine fouls.:D When you do this to one technical team, you get frustrations and lack of power.

    Croatian skier said: Zagreb was one race, but disgrace will stay forever. (Hirscher and his rides over sticks in the snow). Director of FIS is Gunter Hujara.:D German, Austrian, who knows.:D Depends.

    http://www.fisalpine.com/official.html?id=1
     
  17. JAIME CHILE

    JAIME CHILE Member+

    Apr 26, 2006
    V.Alemana y Stgo
    Club:
    Cobreloa Calama
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Sebastián Roco, paraguayan Pedro Vera and argentine Cristián Milla won't play in the 1rst match (against Unión La Calera) because they were punished for yellow cards after the Clausura 2011. Milla was playing in Rangers in the last championship.

    Abarca is a good left defender. He'll be starter, but I think that we still need a sweeper, a right back and an attacking midfielder. Now the directors are looking for another forward (I don't know why. We already have like 8 forwards. We don't need a 9th forward).:confused:
    Peruvian forward Cristofer Soto (Alianza de Lima) is "sounding" strong in Calama. He scored a goal against O'Higgins last week in a friendly match (1:1).

    Which chilean swimmer did you watch? Milenka Rojas maybe? She's very young, and last year she swimmed in the strait of Magallanes.
    Our most famous "open-sea" swimmer is Víctor "Tiburón" Contreras.
    In swimming pools, Krister Köbrich is our best swimmer.

    Marcelo Salas is Unión Temuco's president and owner. He's doing a good job.

    I remember those incidents between croats and serbs in the Australian Open, and the Mirkovic-Jarni incident too.

    I once attended a waterpolo match (Iquique vs Arica). It was fun, a total new experience for me. The best thing were the strong insults by the iquiqueños fans against the ariqueños players (LOL!).:eek:

    Yes, we lost 2:3 vs Spain in 2011. Chile won 2:0 the 1rst half. But stupid Borghi's substitutions and referee's bad calls changed the final result in the minute 93.:mad:
     
  18. Herzeg-Croat

    Herzeg-Croat Red Card

    Jan 16, 2012
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    It's silly that they calculate cards from previous competition. To bad because of them. To much forwards. They should dedicate to attacking MF, defensive DM.

    Chilean swimmer was in the ocean, I saw ice around her, maybe Nunez, not sure.

    Milenka is Slavic name, Miljenka is common in Croatia. It means Dear, Carinoso.

    http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milenka_Rojas

    Croatia has also one open swimmer: Zeljko Rogosic and diver in ice water: Kristijan Curavic. They have some kind of records, distance, depth, etc.

    Haven't heard about Salas after his great career. It's good that he stayed in football.

    Sad thing about Croatian-Serbian relations. Everyone in the world knows about this relations. Serbs tricked us with Montenegro. Croats would probably do the same, but bad taste stays.:D

    Fans of waterpolo are not like flowers at all. In Croatia, football fans visit waterpolo if they can travel, this is mixed in Croatia. They say that ice hockey fans are different, they don't go on football, but ice hockey became gathering of celebrities, women that don't know what is Zamboni.:D

    They come on Medvescak Zagreb matches in EBEL League. I understadnt how did you felt after this Chilean match. It's so frustrating when referee plays the key role. Sport becomes useless and hopeless. They can give all titles to their teams, others would save their efforts for training and competitions.

    Five Croatian fans were attacked in Serbian city of Novi Sad, two of them were injured, easy injuries. Serbs attacked them.

    http://www.topix.com/forum/world/serbia/T0MRRU81DQPS025DV

    Novi Sad was once Croatian. You can read Novi Sad after 1918.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novi_Sad

    A lot of violence here. Now we play against France in handball in N. Sad. Novi means New, Nuevo.

    Funny: http://www.topix.com/forum/world/serbia/T9C7VU84VSNUHPD0D
    Serbs have the lowest IQ in Europe - A scientific fact

    EURO 2012 Handball News: http://www.ehf-euro.com/News.2273.0.html
     
  19. Herzeg-Croat

    Herzeg-Croat Red Card

    Jan 16, 2012
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    Croatie - France 29 - 22.:D

    Report: http://www.sportresult.com/sports/hb/hbem12m/PDF/24012012/37/37TM.pdf

    Interview with Ivano Balic after we were robbed against Spain.:p

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpFGBdcuv5I&feature=related"]Angry Ivano Bali? Men's EHF EURO 2012 Serbia - YouTube[/ame]
    It's in Croatian, but gestures say everything.:)

    France is going home, we play against Hungary and probably we are in semifinals in Belgrade.:D Gold medalist has national anthem ceremony. It would be good to hear Croatian national anthem in Belgrade.:D

    Referees were good against France, no one was damaged. But small decisions were on French side. They should give 1,2 expulsions for France.

    Details about EURO 2012 in Serbia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_European_Men's_Handball_Championship

    Hungary and Slovenia are playing tonight, but Slovenia should win so that they help us more. If Hungary wins than we must play against Hungary for semifinals. Complicado.:) But I think that we are better than Hungary.
     
  20. JAIME CHILE

    JAIME CHILE Member+

    Apr 26, 2006
    V.Alemana y Stgo
    Club:
    Cobreloa Calama
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Cameroonian defender Ngouloure Mahamat won't continue in our club (some rumours say that he had an indiscipline, or maybe he arrived too late to the concentration hotel in Calama, so he was fired). He never played an official game in Cobreloa during these 6 months.

    Black players always have some problems in Cobreloa: Antenor "Junior" Fernándes(their parents are brazilians, he had disciplinary problems), haitian Fucien Brunel (he never played a game) and now cameroonian Ngouloure Mahamat (he never played a game, possible indiscipline).

    Now we have 7 foreigners, but Elizondo won't play during the Aperture because he suffers a long injury (6 months out): 4 argentines (Palos, Corro, Elizondo and Milla), and 3 paraguayans (Vera, Lusardi and Barrios).

    So our club can hire only 1 more foreigner (peruvian forward Soto? I dunno yet).
     
  21. Herzeg-Croat

    Herzeg-Croat Red Card

    Jan 16, 2012
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    Africans usually don't have good discipline, they are talented, fast, but their nature isn't always great: Balotelli, Eto'o, Adebayor, El Hadji Diouf, Franck Manga Guela (Dinamo Zagreb player)...:D

    Black South Americans also have problems with discipline: Adriano, Roberto Carlos, Sammir (Dinamo Zagreb), Breno (he burned his house)...

    There is also limit about foreigners in South American clubs? Eight players is a limit? That's a lot of players. I would reduce on 3-5, so that national teams search their players. I predict that English football will have difficult moments in the future, because in their best clubs play French, African, Italian, Argentinian, Spanish, Irish...players.

    It's pretty dangerous in Serbia for Croatian handball fans.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fteOJeu3eo&feature=player_embedded"]No?evima i sjekirama napali Hrvate! - YouTube[/ame]

    Serbian fans attacked Croatian vehicles with axes, stones and knives. Several persons were injured, around 40 Serbians attacked our fans.

    http://www.b92.net/eng/news/crimes-article.php?yyyy=2012&mm=01&dd=25&nav_id=78451

    Croatian website: http://sportski.net.hr/rukomet/page/2012/01/25/0212006.html

    HOROR HRVATA U NOVOM SADU: 'Skočio mi je na auto i zario sjekiru u prednje staklo!'

    eng. Croatian horror in Novi Sad: He jumped on my car and put the axe in my front window.

    Attack in the style of Mad Max. (Pobjesnjeli Max).

    One Croatian fan was injured with knife, he is not in danger. Six Croatian cars, with Croatian plates were hited with stones and bricks.

    10 Serbians were arrested and many more are suspected.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kq5qabPWJw&feature=player_embedded"]U autima su bila djeca... - YouTube[/ame]

    In cars there were also children.

    Also Serbian Taxi drivers blocked Croatian drivers. Terrible. This one said: I am not coming ever in Serbia!.

    They blocked them on red lights. Police did not do anything, taxi driver isn't arrested. Croatian fan said to this taxi driver: How can you do this?? He laughed and showed middle finger.:mad:

    Police probably knew for this plan and they did not do anything.

    Croatia - France match: [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRsE8cKUtNs&feature=player_embedded"]HRVATSKA-FRANCUSKA 29-22 ,24.01.2012,NOVI SAD,RUKOMET - YouTube[/ame]

    This taxi driver had older car, and he also got broken back side, because he pressed break so that he can stop Croatian fans. Nobody knows where is he now.

    Comments on Croatian site are negative. And they wish revengence for any Serbian fan group because of this.

    Handball Federation is silly, because they gave to Serbia this host. They don't understand relations there. Serbs demonstrated again how insane they are.

    They said that they heard on TV, during France - Croatia match, that fans yell Vukovar, Vukovar and Who doesn't jump - is a Orthodox. And because of this they invaded on Croatian cars.:confused:

    Croatia should break all relations with Serbia because of these incidents. Until they remove violent people from their streets. In Croatian travel agencies trips for Croatian semifinals are cancelled. Probably nobody would come there. If someone comes it could be a lot of victims.:(

    http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/serbia-s-young-thugs-attack-croatian-fans

    The attack came after Croatian fans left the handball game in Novi Sad following their team's victory over France on Tuesday evening and headed back to Croatia.

    Nothing to do with Serbia.

    http://www.monstersandcritics.com/n...k-on-Croatian-fans-at-handball-Euro-in-Serbia

    Today we play against Hungary, they lost yesterday against Slovenia, so Slovenia helped us that we go in semifinals in BELGRADE for GOLD.:D

    We can rest our key players. For now we know three semifinalists: Spain, Croatia, Peasant Republic of Serbia and fourth is probably Denmark, or Germany.

    Imagine what will happen in football qualifications for Brazil 2014.:confused:
     
  22. JAIME CHILE

    JAIME CHILE Member+

    Apr 26, 2006
    V.Alemana y Stgo
    Club:
    Cobreloa Calama
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Yes, Chilean clubs can have 7 foreigner players. In the past the limit was 4, then 5, and since 2009 I think, it's 7. But the limit on the pitch is 5 (so the other 2 foreigners must stay on the bench).
    I don't know how many foreigners players are admited in the other southamerican countries. Traditionally in Argentina, only 3 foreigners in each club.

    Agreed, 7 foreigners in each Chilean club is too much. I think 4 was Ok. It's imposible to get 7 cracks (usually 2 or 3 are good players, and the others are just average players).

    Fortunately Cobreloa have very good foreigner players: Palos, Corro, Lusardi, Barrios, Milla.

    Our coach Nelson Acosta said yesterday that he needs now an attacking right midfielder:) (bingo!!)

    "Who doesn't jump is a orthodox" (lol). It's very similar to our football song "Porompompom, porompompon!, who doesn't jump is an queer indio!":D ("¡el que no salta es un indio maricón!"). Typical song for our dear rivals colocolo. You change the word "indio" for "chuncho", "huaso", "loro", etc., and it works for every football match.

    It's a pity what happened to Croatian fans in Serbia. It seems like in the next WC qualiefiers will be more violence in the matches Croatia-Serbia. Someone has to stop this carousel, with heavy punishments for the guilties.

    Good look in the semifinals!

    Tomorrow going to be played the traditional "Orange Night": COBRELOA vs Alianza de Lima(Perú).:)
    At 7 p.m. will be the presentation of the complete team and tecnical and medical staff.
    At 8 p.m. will start the game against the peruvian club.
     
  23. Herzeg-Croat

    Herzeg-Croat Red Card

    Jan 16, 2012
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    It's better that foreign players count 3 players. In Europe this was arranged with Italian and Spanish passports for Argentinians, Brazilians. They don't have to have any heritage from these countries.:D I understand if they have heritage, than they can declare themselves as diaspora.:)

    Argentina arranged this better. They can develop their own football, better national team, more selection among many players. In Croatian league foreigners are minority, except in Dinamo Zagreb, or Hajduk Split, they have better financial conditions. That's why we can say that we have good national team.

    Maybe Acosta waited to the end for new creator in Cobreloa. It would be good marketing if they represent him at the end.

    Slovenians also use this: Who doesn't jump, who doesn't jump is not Slovene.

    And Croats sang last night against France: Who doesn't jump, who doesn't jump, he is a Orthodox.:D And of course Croatian city of Vukovar, Serbs lost in this war against Croatia, so fans always sing Vukovar, Vukovar, no matter who is our opponent. Even though we played against France last night, we were devoted to Serbians.:D And we got broken vehicles after the match.:D
    Imagine, who has axes at his home in 21. century. At least they could use some contemporary weapon: electric shocker maybe. People who use axes as weapon, must be insane with rural background. These violents were young people. This means that they were educated at home so that they hate Croats.

    But summer is coming, probably cars with Serbian plates on Croatian coast. It's not difficult to spend summer with their cars.:D After all, they don't have sea.

    After this match against France, I remembered that one Croatian division went against Nazi's in French city of Villefranche. They were Croats and Bosnian Muslims in the same division.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Villefranche-de-Rouergue_uprising

    This means that Croats recognized bad days for Europe and they rised up. Also, Muslims were considered as Croats of Muslim faith. But today they hate this background. There is a street in this small city called: Avenue of Croats. Imagine how difficult was to do anything against dictatorship, in the middle of WW2. These soldiers were all executed. Yugoslavia asked France later, that they change this avenue into Avenue of Yugoslavs, but France did not wanted to accept this forgering of history.

    They have several lakes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Lakes_of_Serbia

    Ada Ciganlija means: Cigan - Gipsy.:D Gitano.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lakes_in_Serbia

    Etiendo ese verso, con m*aricon, indio. Pero no sabia por chuncho, huaso, loro. Eso es idioma chileno? No parece como espanol standarizado.

    It's another shame for Serbia. Police knew on wich road Croats will drive. There is only one road probably that could take you to Croatia = Civilization.:D

    It's true than when people say: Axes would fall from the sky.:) Serbs have the power.

    Maybe they have "Throwing Axes" as some rural sport. If they hit someone in the head, that brings the biggest pumpkin and one old donkey.

    When you say now something about Serbian act of violence, they would say that Croats are nationalists, violent nation, doesn't accept Serbia with Kosovo in their borders. We accepted Kosovo.:D

    For example, EU has new resolution. If some other countries want to enter in EU, every EU member (Croatia also) needs to have referendum in their countries. For example, do you wish that Serbia joins EU? And Croat chooses NO, or AGAINST their entrance.:D

    22. March 2013. match between Croatia and Serbia in Zagreb.:D (Qualifications for Brazil '14), 6 September 2013, match in Serbia.:D

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification_–_UEFA_Group_A

    They would probably stop that Croats or Serbs go as guest fans. Only normal solution. Tragedy could happen very easy. These two nations don't have clear history, to much blood.

    But, as losers in the war, Serbs are reasonably more violent. If Croatia had lost this war, it would be opposite probably. Defeated country always has frustrations. For example, they won't to enter in EU, because they need to defend Kosovo, as their own. EU, USA, NATO wants independent Kosovo.

    Serbs of Paris protested against Kosovo:

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCFkHyoVLOM"]KOSOVO SRBIJA MANIF PARIS 17/02/08 - (002) - YouTube[/ame]

    They look like LES PARISIENS.:D Song is: Serbian trumpet is heard from Kosovo, bla, bla, Kosovo field is again ours, bla, bla.:D They protest in the whole world just because two, three fields, one forest and maybe one hill. They just want this small northern (red part) of Kosovo.

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/Kosovo_ethnic_2005.png

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo

    Albanians wrote: Morto Serbi on one Orthodox Church. Serbs are stronger than Albanians, they don't know anything about battles, wars, defense. Serbs would probably enter with 100 tanks and destroyed whole Kosovo.

    They glorify General Draza Mihailovic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draža_Mihailović

    WW2 criminal.:D

    They look like savages in city of culture, architecture, art.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZD3-vf6kII&feature=related"]Serbian students in Kosovska Mitrovica - SAVE OUR FUTURE. - YouTube[/ame]

    Here they protest with cans, pots, spoons.:D

    Chicago protest:

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8e5oSZK7M8&feature=related"]Kosovo je Srbija u Chicagu 24. februara 2008. Otac Milos - YouTube[/ame]

    Vienna: Mozart would turn himself in his graveyard.:confused:

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jv-b06hMv4k&feature=related"]Miting za Kosovo u Becu 2 - YouTube[/ame]

    They are burning US and UK flag.

    "Kill, slaughter so that Siptar (Albanian) doesn't exist" - their song.

    NYC:

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IcEW5R71aM&feature=related"]Manhattan Protest, Kosovo is Serbia - YouTube[/ame]

    They left Serbia, but they live like savages in every part of world. It's good that they don't live in Chile.:D They would ask maybe Concepcion as their own region.:D

    George Clooney, Sharon Stone are for Serbia, because they have mutual Serbian friend from childhood.:D

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLnD8wIVdqg&feature=related"]Hollywood support for Serbia - YouTube[/ame]

    On the other hand, Angelina Jolie has filmed one film that describes Serbs as nationalistic, evil and violent creatures in Bosnia and Herzegovina:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_the_Land_of_Blood_and_Honey

    Boring movie, low budget, but describes Serbs in negative way.

    Jerry Seinfeld thinks that Serbs don't use showers.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD5j0CXpUGA&feature=related"]Jerry Seinfeld about Serbs - YouTube[/ame]

    Video against Serbs:D

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...annotation_id=annotation_969472&v=hdcv7G8xJMw

    We don't know yet our opponent in semifinals, probably Serbia, or Germany.

    Nice introduction with Alianza Lima. Good luck in this match, without injuries.:D
     
  24. JAIME CHILE

    JAIME CHILE Member+

    Apr 26, 2006
    V.Alemana y Stgo
    Club:
    Cobreloa Calama
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Sí, son palabras chilenas.

    "Chuncho"= Owl=Universidad de Chile fan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austral_Pygmy_Owl
    "Huaso"=Chilean cowboy=Unión San Felipe fan, Unión La Calera fan, O'Higgins fan, Rangers fan, Ñublense fan.
    "Loro"=green parrot=Wanderers fan.

    Those 2 matches are very attractive to watch. I'm gonna watch both matches for sure.:)
     
  25. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Actually a "huaso" is how a person that lives outside from big cities or rural areas is called in central Chile, and has no relationship with cowboys. Not because some of them wear hats similar to those from cowboys, to protect themselves from the glowing heating sun, that is very common back here, specially in summer, under it reaching temperatures over 40-45 degrees Celsius, where they must evolve and work as a daily basis, means by any way that they are cowboys. Lots of the times, city guys think of them as being poor intelectually skilled people, reasons why the term is used most of the times by them in order to offend others, but that only reflects the true ignorance of those who don`t really know them and really don`t have the most smaller clue about how they really are. Something very similar occurs with how the term "indio" or "mapuche" is used by city guys, usually they use the term as an equivalent of "being dumb".

    Unfortunately, "we", chileans are very xenophobic and segregationist, even between ourselves, most of the times, and we use terms that refer to diferent cultures, also as a form of offending others.:(

    Btw, Ñublense fans are regarded as "diablos rojos", not as huasos.
    ;)
     

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