Coaching search catch-all

Discussion in 'Colorado Rapids' started by JasonMa, Jan 4, 2014.

  1. fischerw

    fischerw Member+

    Sep 15, 2004
    Joplin, MO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Denis Hamlett's name hasn't come up much. The Rapids were the last team he ever played for (though not for very long). His last head coaching gig was in 2009, when he led Chicago to 2nd in the East and a winning record. I believe he was sacked despite the record of success at Chicago so they could bring in Carlos de los Cobos. Then he was out of coaching for a couple years, then has been an assistant in Vancouver and then Montreal.
    Apologies if he was mentioned earlier in the thread but I can't recall it. I remember thinking he was a pretty damn good coach for the Fire and was surprised when he was let go.
     
  2. crazyjon85

    crazyjon85 Member

    Jan 12, 2011
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    gonna vomit
     
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  3. xingyiz

    xingyiz Member

    Mar 26, 2011
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Ha ha me too! Vomit all over these picks.
     
  4. Soaker888

    Soaker888 Member+

    Feb 21, 2012
    Denver
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Obvious responses:
    -suppose the coach is a disaster? Still want him for a decade?
    -translation: we're too lazy and cheap to do a real HC search.
    -not going outside "the club" means possibly keeping the soccer-intelligence gene pool smaller (ie, new ideas/ways of doing things)
    -you've just narrowed your search considerably, with quality *not* being the main criteria for the short list.
     
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  5. xingyiz

    xingyiz Member

    Mar 26, 2011
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Repped mainly for this quote! Spot on in my opinion.
     
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  6. crazyjon85

    crazyjon85 Member

    Jan 12, 2011
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    this screams panic hire... I hate to bring up another sport, but CU tried this with Jon embree and failed miserably He was the worst coach in CU History. I don't want this to be the same thing
     
  7. Quinn 33

    Quinn 33 Member+

    Apr 25, 2003
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm really not as turned off by those options as a lot of other people. We had Oscar Pareja as our couch FFS. He sucks. Any of the ex-player options would be a lateral move at worst.

    Not comparable to the Rapids situation at all. CU had already completely ruined their football program long before they even signed Embree.
     
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  8. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't like the limitations they're putting on the search (at least publicly @DavidJames). They seem to be restricting it to likely ex-players so they don't have to do antoher search for upwards of 10 years.

    Right now only 4 MLs coaches have been in their roles longer than even 4 seasons, Sigi, Arena, Kinnear, and Vermes. All 4 have won a major title with their current club, and Sigi, Arena, and Kinnear are probably the best 3 coaches in MLS history. The likelihood of finding an ex-Rapids player that can get to that level in the next 4 years is not high.

    On the plus side, their list of criteria does include one or both of the JDVs. ;)
     
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  9. Dom. FC

    Dom. FC Member+

    May 10, 2004
    Central US
    1. Chris Bianchi ‏@Rapids_News6m
      Team feels that an ex-player has best chance at sticking around long term - perhaps feeling a bit burned by Pareja’s surprise departure.
    2. [​IMG]Chris Bianchi ‏@Rapids_News7m
      Appears #Rapids will go with ex-player (Fraser, Spencer, Mastroeni in mix) in coaching search. Team wants ex-player for longevity purposes.
    Hey, I'm looking for a car, but there are just so many out there and some real good ones too, I think I'll have to narrow my search somehow. Lets see, how about it has to have been driven in my town, it has to be something I can keep a long time -- because no one else will want it, and it has to be good, fast, and cheap. The problem is the dealer said he has cars that fit that first part but for those last three (underlined) I can only pick "any two". Now I'm bummed.
     
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  10. Buffbollocks

    Buffbollocks Member

    Aug 16, 2008
    Denver
    Spot on re: CU.

    Here are a few facts and some insider perspective.

    1. Pareja gave the FO his word he was committed and wanted to be here long term. Things changed when Pareja asked for one vanity hire that made no sense at all, and when Dallas continued to pursue through indirect channels. He's not going to make much more in Dallas, if any.

    2. Pareja had little to no say in last years draft, and the Rapids believe in the model of a strong technical staff to make player evaluations/decisions, and a manager to cook with the groceries they buy for him (to use the Bill Parcells analogy)

    3. The Dutch technical guy they just brought in (name escapes me right now) is going to have an active role with whatever manager is selected in terms of game day tactics. For this reason, the Rapids are looking for a strong man manager/motivator and someone not simply looking at the post as a short-term stepping stone.

    4. There has been a very expansive and active search, I've seen at least 6 names, foreign and domestic, and they're looking to make the "right" hire based on their criteria and plan. Disagree with the plan all you want, I have a few questions myself, but to imply there hasn't been a plan or they're somehow scrambling is not accurate.

    5. Rapids technical staff already working hard on draft evaluations and there is the possibility of one very exciting young player from a premier league side joining on loan with an option to buy. Obviously the manager will have some say on personnel, but they really are building an organization and structure when personnel decisions are made by Bravo and team.
     
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  11. wormhole

    wormhole Member

    Mar 25, 2009
    Westminster, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Bianchi's tweets make the "search" look more like a marketing campaign for introducing Maestroeni than an actual search. It's almost as if he's talking to the Rapids' (former) marketing guy. :D
     
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  12. fischerw

    fischerw Member+

    Sep 15, 2004
    Joplin, MO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    All of this is very interesting info, except your point #2 kind of flies in the face of what was actually captured on video during the "Inside the SuperDraft" segments. Of course, though, the way the video was edited could be making a huge difference.
     
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  13. Buffbollocks

    Buffbollocks Member

    Aug 16, 2008
    Denver
    Also, Mastro's issues were with Oscar, not any players. Not saying it's a perfect choice, but I guess I'd ask if the combination of Mastro and the Dutch technical guy, call it a poor man's version of what Germany did with Klinnsman and Loew, is as good or better than other candidates available? I don't know the answer, but I know who they've interviewed/talked to so far and I'm actually somewhat excited if Pablo does get the job because he bleeds for the club and is the sort of guy that players will run through walls for....
     
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  14. Buffbollocks

    Buffbollocks Member

    Aug 16, 2008
    Denver
    There was consensus on Deshorn, but Oscar did not want Powers. Bravo overrode him there. Obviously, I'm not meaning to imply Oscar had no input, just that personnel decisions are clearly in Bravo's court and while it's not ideal, not having a manager named by the draft isn't the disaster others are making it out to be...
     
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  15. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Then their PR is failing because IMO they aren't doing a very good job of portraying themselves as anything but surprised and scrambling.
     
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  16. m vann

    m vann Moderator
    Staff Member

    Colorado Rapids, Celtic FC, & Louisville City
    Sep 10, 2002
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Celtic FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    An ex-player does make sense -- I get it -- though I'm not for it. It makes firing one a helluva lot harder when they don't pan out. That's just food for thought and not necessarily a reason to hire or not to hire one. You just have to 'err on the side of caution. I just hope and pray the Rapids FO makes a sensible decision. The squad has taken two giant steps forward and I would absolutely be gutter (and furious) if we had to take two steps back this season. Our momentum is forward not backward..
     
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  17. Soaker888

    Soaker888 Member+

    Feb 21, 2012
    Denver
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Good information and perspective. Thanks for including it in this "debate".
     
  18. Totoro

    Totoro Member+

    Dec 3, 2009
    Colorado
    I don't get why people are so skeptical about Bravo's role in acquiring players when that was one of the main issues with Smith leaving. It seems clear he (and others in the FO) have always been involved. Though, how much of a hand Pareja had in acquisitions in general is a fair question.
     
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  19. COMtnGuy

    COMtnGuy Member+

    Apr 5, 2012
    Higher than you
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't think its the draft causing this but the preseason pratices that start a day or 2 after.
     
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  20. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Right, I thought they made it fairly clear with OP was hired that the final roster say rested with Bravo, not OP. That's clearly the organization Hinchey/Bravo want.

    This.
     
  21. prk166

    prk166 BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 8, 2000
    Med City
    So no Jorge Dely Valdés?
     
  22. m vann

    m vann Moderator
    Staff Member

    Colorado Rapids, Celtic FC, & Louisville City
    Sep 10, 2002
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Celtic FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    http://www.mlssoccer.com/extratime


    Fast forward to 27:00. Fresh Extra Time Radio interview with Hinchey. It's basically a run down of how the OP to FCD all went down. It does sound like this was all facilitated by OP and it was a change of heart that ultimately led to his exit. Interesting that Hinchey mentioned OP's children, 6 of them, were in Colorado not Dallas as reported or rumored. Also, tampering was and is not in the cards. According to Hinchey everything was do in a proper manner.
     
  23. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Though at this point I would expect him to say nothing else, even if tampering was in the cards. I'm sure that would have been part of the deal with what Dallas gave up for OP.

    (That's not to say there was tampering, just that comments made after the deal was done isn't proof one way or the other.)
     
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  24. fischerw

    fischerw Member+

    Sep 15, 2004
    Joplin, MO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He also stated the desire to find a coach for whom the Rapids gig is his "Dream Job"; someone willing to stay around for several years. Also mentioned experience in youth development is something they are looking for. Reiterated several times that the club is "in good hands" at the moment so there's no rush. Even mentioned the possibility of "interim" if need be.
     
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  25. Cos_Mos

    Cos_Mos Member

    Aug 31, 2007
    Broomfield
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    With all the talk about an Ex-Rapid player and the desire to get someone who is committed to the club, why has Marcelo Balboa's name not come up? At least I wouldn't have to hear him saying: "It's gonna take some time" over and over in the booth.
     

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