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  1. SirManchester

    SirManchester Member+

    Apr 14, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Exactly.

    Nationalism is a poison.
     
  2. SyedZada

    SyedZada Member+

    May 14, 2008
    Santa Clara
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Mass effect ?
     
  3. SyedZada

    SyedZada Member+

    May 14, 2008
    Santa Clara
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Debuchey joins Newcastle, good signing and they are after Remy.
    Arsenal and Spurs after Holtby, while one has got Cazorla and the other Sigurddsson.

    And Rodgers want to play Sturridge as a 9 with Suarez as a 'floating 9', guy really thinks he is clever and invented football does he not.
     
  4. sdotsom

    sdotsom Member+

    Manchester United
    Mar 27, 2005
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Why Rodgers would change anything up front is confusing to me. I only imagined Sturridge helping spell Suarez for rest and whatnot.
     
  5. Cevno

    Cevno Member+

    Aug 27, 2005
    Shifting.
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    They've not been overflowing with goals tbf.

    He started the season with Borini, drifting in from the right or Left behind Suarez but it didn't work out.

    I think he wants Suarez to play that drfiting role now with Sturridge up top and Sterling hugging to the wings. Not that bad a idea tbh.
     
  6. SyedZada

    SyedZada Member+

    May 14, 2008
    Santa Clara
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    The problem is that any goals coming was when Suarez was tricking defenders and creating opportunities, the further you take him away from goal that more bodies he has to face to create something for himself.
    Not to talk about defensive tracking.
     
  7. Cevno

    Cevno Member+

    Aug 27, 2005
    Shifting.
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    Yeah, but Suarez isn't really a good finisher.

    Right now he had to do almost everything himself with Sterling contributing sometimes, but going ahead the plan seems to be that he will work with Sturridge and create some goals for him while Stering gives the width.

    It may not work out, but don't think it's a bad plan.
     
  8. SyedZada

    SyedZada Member+

    May 14, 2008
    Santa Clara
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Have you seen either play? Suarez will still be going solo most of the times and Sturridge is Sturridge.
     
  9. Cevno

    Cevno Member+

    Aug 27, 2005
    Shifting.
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    Sturridge is average, but still better than what they had there.

    And you are giving Suarez less credit then it's due. There's no reason he can't work well with another Striker + they can swap places too with Sturridge playing as a wing forward.
     
  10. SyedZada

    SyedZada Member+

    May 14, 2008
    Santa Clara
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Sturridge problem is that he is a head down striker, does not work well with any other and then you got Suarez.
     
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  11. Cevno

    Cevno Member+

    Aug 27, 2005
    Shifting.
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    Full quotes -

    "Luis will play for the common good of the team," said Rogers.

    "I spoke with Luis on this subject a number of times. When he played at Ajax he played in behind the central striker as a No. 10 in between the lines."

    England forward Sturridge, 23, signed for the Reds from Chelsea in a deal thought to be worth £12m on Wednesday.

    He scored 13 times in all competitions for Chelsea last season, often operating as a right-winger.
    But Rodgers believes his new charge will be most effective down the middle.

    "His best position is as a central striker," Rodgers said.

    "There is not one way to play 4-3-3. You can have one up and two wingers, a floating nine like Luis Suarez, or you can have one like Daniel Sturridge playing centrally, with two in and around him playing narrow, and full backs bombing on.

    "The principles of your game are based on your players."

    Uruguay international Suarez, 25, has scored 18 goals in 27 appearances for Liverpool this season operating as a lone striker but Rodgers believes he can be equally effective in other positions.

    "This has been the plan for a few months," Rodgers added. "[At Ajax] he also played as a reverse winger from the left side. He wasn't quite out wide, he was tucked in round the corner.

    "Wherever he plays he will make the same movements and he will find the space because he is a world-class player. It is not a problem at all.

    "It is never a problem having top players so don't talk about problems with players. We need good players."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20909538
     
  12. Cevno

    Cevno Member+

    Aug 27, 2005
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    Don't see anything wrong in what he is saying tbh.

    You could say Sturridge is average, but Suarez is definitely adaptable like Almost a Rooney.
     
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  13. SyedZada

    SyedZada Member+

    May 14, 2008
    Santa Clara
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Huh? Suarez is nothing like Rooney.
     
  14. Cevno

    Cevno Member+

    Aug 27, 2005
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    Maybe not in playing style, but he is certainly adaptable across several positions.

    He has played different positions and done well for all of Liverpool, Ajax and Uruguay.
     
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  15. SyedZada

    SyedZada Member+

    May 14, 2008
    Santa Clara
    Club:
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    Liverpool dont have that type of striker in Sturridge to allow Suarez to flourish, Suarez on the side of a Welbeck/Cavani will do well but to an extent but Sturridge is nothing like that.

    His Ajax numbers are over inflated by one season in 09-10 where he scored almost 50 goals in the season.

    Rooney is just not adaptable he is a hard worker, physical presence and stamina to run up and down to cover, neither Sturridge or Suarez are in any comparison to him unless you define adaptable in some different way, put Rooney in midfield and he will still put out a decent shift, imagine putting Suarez there.

    His best position is a false 9 not 11 imo and Sturridge will be hogging that role somewhat.
     
  16. SyedZada

    SyedZada Member+

    May 14, 2008
    Santa Clara
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    You think one of the Chelsea managers would have started him as a 9 by now? They sold him to get Ba when they could have a younger Sturridge as a 9 infront of Mata Hazard Moses/Oscar? Because Ba can actually play as a 9.
     
  17. urbnzy

    urbnzy Member+

    Aug 13, 2007
    Slovenia
    Hmmmm.....WHAT?
     
  18. Umar

    Umar Member+

    Sep 13, 2005
    One step ahead
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Palestine
    Playing as a left-sided forward and not a winger. The Brasilians use it a lot. See this article for the tactical differences between a forward playing to the left and a left winger:
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2009/jun/24/the-question-brazil-4-2-3-1

    The Sturridge signing works in theory if his movement is good enough to create space for Suarez and keep the centre-backs occupied. I don't think he is the type of player to care about creating space for anyone else though.
     
  19. benni...

    benni... BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 23, 2004
    Chocolate City
    I really think you underestimate Suarez in this case. he's very tenacious, and he puts pressure on player. He isnt a track back specialist, but he covers the ground.

    But then you consider Liverpool want to high press, then he should be right at home.
     
  20. SyedZada

    SyedZada Member+

    May 14, 2008
    Santa Clara
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Desire and ability is two different things, Suarez would not last a football match if he is asked to do what Rooney offers.
     
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  21. Republic of Mancunia

    Aug 24, 2004
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    Manchester United FC
    Rumour had it that they weren't allowed to. Not since a certain club owner bought a certain Spaniard.
     
  22. SyedZada

    SyedZada Member+

    May 14, 2008
    Santa Clara
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    They did not do it before that, even AVB who likes a mobile pacy 9.
     
  23. Republic of Mancunia

    Aug 24, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Of course they didn't, they had Drogba who was sort of a good player.

    Edit: No need to look for alternatives while he was at the club.
     
  24. SirManchester

    SirManchester Member+

    Apr 14, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I think Suarez should continue in false nine role. He is probably one of the most ideal candidates for position.

    Sturridge has played as wing forward before but agreed with Rodgers, it's not his best position. Would be odd to cut off Suarez from thriving role but right now Liverpool overly dependent on him where everything is centered around him.

    Playing him off center will hopefully diminish that reliance and bring others in.

    As for Rooney versus Suarez, I would honestly prefer Suarez at this stage.
     
  25. urbnzy

    urbnzy Member+

    Aug 13, 2007
    Slovenia
    I know which positions he means, but I've never heard such words describing a position, they're just weird.
     

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