Classic Game Club- Italy v. Brazil 1982 WC

Discussion in 'Soccer History' started by comme, Oct 16, 2008.

  1. old_carioca_in_nyc

    Jan 26, 2007

    Just a little reminder: Italy has 4 world cups, and Brazil has 5 - another win by Italy (2010?) and Italy will have the same number of stars -5 -
    in their shirts!!!

    Over the years Italy has always been very strong in world cup soccer...
     
  2. kingkong1

    kingkong1 New Member

    Nov 12, 2007
    Rio, Brazil
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    With Italy having been surprisingly
    twice in advantage in that game to think that in the last 15 minutes our nerves were icy like Bjorn Borg's in a beneficent game was quite an exercise of imagination, Braine! :rolleyes: ...

    One can feel in the voice of the Rede Bandeirantes narrator, Luciano do Vale, more than the tension, the true terror - the sinister silence! - that anteceded Rossi's goal & involved everybody - players & spectators as well - in those last 15 in minutes in the Sarriá :
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bES9ifzlK4"]YouTube- Brasil x Itália - Copa 82[/ame]
     
  3. kingkong1

    kingkong1 New Member

    Nov 12, 2007
    Rio, Brazil
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Not that surprising if we remember - & let's not even cite the Duce's interference in 38 - that 4 of their 6 finals were disputed in Europe, 2 of those Cups played & 1 won in Italy.

    I,é., they were given all the chances.:)
     
  4. uamiranda

    uamiranda Member

    Jun 18, 2008
    Club:
    Vitoria Salvador
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Yes, if we had Careca or Reinaldo (or even Roberto Dinamite), maybe we could've scored more 2 or 3 goals in the tournament. Not necessarily in that particular match, but the chances would be higher.





    That's right, brazilian nerves would not be like ice at that moment, on the contrary. But if they were in such terror due to Cerezo's blunder, why the hell ALL the team together made an equally compromising (collective) blunder in that 3rd goal corner? Shouldn't they be even more defensively cautious when they had the result to advance? And what if the 2nd italian goal was scored in a different play, with no blunders, for instance? Brazilian nerves wouldn't still be 'on fire'?

    Moreover, one point comes to my mind... Maybe conceeding a goal 5 minutes after the match begins is as decisive (if not more) to the planning of the team for rest of the match as Cerezo's blunder itself. Just a thought...

    Regarding Cerezo's blunder, it's well known that passes like that are very risky and should always be avoided, but in that play, 3 brazilian players were in position to recieve the ball, but NONE of them even attempted to get it...

    Look, I'm not trying to escape Cerezo from any responsability... I just think this was not the only and lonely reason for Brazilian defeat...

    Last point (at least for a while :p)... Let's remember Brazil got to the WC as one of the major favourites, they were already overconfident due to their pre-WC campaign. Victories over USSR and Scotland (in which they conceeded the first goal and overcame this adversity) as well as over New Zeland (brilliant show) and champions Argentina, helped to give them even more confidence against an unstable squad that struggled to qualify. IMO, in that match, they were surprised by an objective and oportunistic team that knew how to take advantage of Brazilian's deficiencies, but their confdence didn't vanish with Cerezo's blunder.
     
  5. kingkong1

    kingkong1 New Member

    Nov 12, 2007
    Rio, Brazil
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    They should & they were (more than they expected BTW)...

    They came to that game in order to win.

    But they spent most of the game...losing.

    They even started at some point of the game (Falcão's goal on) disordenately bunkering (!) when they never thought they'd be supposed to.

    When would they dream that they'd have to be so tremendously cautious in defense in the last minutes of a game?...

    In order to guarantee a tie!...

    Like a small team?!...

    The expectations was that it would be a difficult game but that at that point everything would be under reasonable control.

    They never expected BTW to be (once, maybe, but not twice) in disadvantage during most of the game - & even taking that uncomfortable disadvantage way into the 2nd half (20th').

    Brazil - after Rossi's second goal - spent 43' of the game...behind (which + the 7 minutes between Rossi's 1st goal & Socrates' takes that total to 50 minutes!).

    Plus the last 16 minutes, after Rossi's 3rd, 66 minutes (!!!).

    For an offensive team like Brazil to spend more than 2/3rds of a game in disadvantage was too much...

    That ********s up with anybody's nerves...

    Let's concede: Brazil was not psychologically prepared to such a situation...

    Especially because they were the best team of the world & Italy underdogs coming from a ludicrous campaign...
    Possibly not.

    Cerezzo's childish blunder was so childish though (for a team of Brazil's caliber) that did light the fire.

    One can say: well, Clodoaldo's blunder too in the 1st Italian goal in 1970 was quite similar & that didn't get to Brazil nerves.

    True, but that was merely an equalizer - besides the Brazil of 70 was the Brazil of 70...
    I think it was a progression...taking a goal at 5' and seven minutes later scoring an equalizer is not as bad as taking the 2nd at 25' and only scoring the equalizer at the 68th'- that's way more stressing.
    For me they didn't expect such an infantility by Cerezzo (don't take me wrong, I'm not a Cerezzo hater, I have a lot of respect for him).
    Me either, but that it was the capital play of the game, IMO it was & in general is considered as so.
    Totally agree and I had also already pointed that.
    Yup,

    Objective in the sense that all they could do in order to surprise Brazil was to assume an unorthodox offensive posture.

    That's called 'reading the moment' - their big merit that day.

    Opportunistic because with that they forced Brazil into error (Cerezzo didn't have to exaggerate though :cool:).
    Disagree.

    It didn't totally vanish but suffered a severe blow - especially for not being able to respond as quickly as in the 1st Italian goal.

    On the contrary - with the proggression of the game the Italians 'liked' the game & felt more & more at ease ahead.

    When Falcão scored the 2nd they said: 'Well, if we could be ahead for two times until now, why not a 3rd try?' :D ...
     
  6. artes33

    artes33 Member

    Apr 22, 2010
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Very good post.

    I am Italian, been watching football since 1975 , every major international event, heard from our fathers of the legendary Italy-Germany 4-3 ot. of 1970.
    That said, Italy v. Brazil 1982 WC is the Greatest Match I have ever seen in my 41 years life, for intensity, quality of the players/teams, rivalry, world stopped watching at you ...

    Thank You for these great memories I will tell my son and nephews about.
     
  7. DanFla

    DanFla Member

    Apr 18, 2010
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    This game became known as the disaster of Sarria in Brazil. Specialists in football here still argue which team was better, Brazil 1970 or 1982 and what was the influence of that defeat for the sequence of the style of Brazilian soccer
     
  8. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    15 years ago yesterday the Estadi de Sarrià was demolished. :(

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    Before the demolition the Catalan newspaper Mundo Deportivo contacted Paolo Rossi for his reaction to the event.

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    “You have reminded and helped me relive, once again, one of the happiest moments of my life and of my country. In Italy, a lot of my friends have called me for the same reason."

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    "This is not a very good moment because the memories of 1982, and more specifically in that stadium, are extraordinary. Fortunately, I have a video of what I, along with my teammates, experienced in Barcelona. It's a crime that venue no longer lives though my personal memory will never be erased. I don't know the reasons why the Espanyol directors made this decision although I imagine as time passes many installations will always suffer.
    They're going to play in the Olympic stadium? Well, I did not know that. I thought they had built another and were moving."

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    "It was a very suitable ground for football, noticeably the crowd were very close, it had no athletics track, hopefully they can build another similar venue. I insist that the image that I will always have is that of a legendary stadium. It was the most beautiful moment of my life."

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    "Well, since I also personally devote myself to this line of work (real estate) perhaps we can make a deal: I'll sell you space in Italy in exchange for this area zone in Sarriá. What do you think?"

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    "The match against Argentina was something special, but without doubt the win and three goals against Brazil... it still feels like yesterday."

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  9. ITALIA1982

    ITALIA1982 Member

    Jun 14, 2005
    Toronto
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Wow
     

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