Chilenos en España (Alexis Sanchez, Bravo, Medel, Orellana, Iturra, etc.) (R) (News, etc..)

Discussion in 'Chilenos en el Exterior' started by MetroChile, Oct 3, 2010.

  1. MetroChile Member+

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  2. JAIME CHILE Member

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    Fue penal... yo pense que no era, pero del otro angulo se ve claramente que el defensa lo empuja, creo que incluso usa las dos manos para empujarlo.
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    Que paso pitbull?
  6. JAIME CHILE Member

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    Tabla de chilenos en España:

    1ª división:

    2. Barcelona 81 (Sánchez)
    4. Málaga 51 (DT Pellegrini)
    11. Sevilla 45 (Medel)
    15. Real Sociedad 39 (Bravo)

    2ª división:

    3. Real Celta 62 (Orellana)
    16. Real Murcia 39 (Iturra)
  8. JAIME CHILE Member

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    Sánchez va a la banca porque no está físicamente óptimo. Fábregas también quedó fuera del equipo titular.

    Los delanteros titulares serán Messi y Tello, con apoyo de Iniesta, Xavi y Álves desde atrás.
  9. JAIME CHILE Member

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    ¡¡¡¡¡GOOOOOOOOOOOOL DE ALEXIS "DILLA" SÁNCHEZ!!!!!!!!!!:):cool:

    Había entrado apenas 1 minuto antes reemplazando a Xavi!

    1:1
  10. JAIME CHILE Member

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    El Barcelona perdió la liga española en casa, tras caer 1:2 con el Real Madrid.:(:mad:

    El único gol blaugrana fue del tocopillano formado en COBRELOA, Alexis Sánchez.:)
  11. HeartandSoul Moderator

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    Guardiola cometio varios errores. El juego del Barca tambien es muy Messi dependiente en terminos de juego y cuando el jugador anda apagado o bien marcado, el equipo no rinde.

    Con la entrada de Alexis el equipo tuvo mas opciones en el ataque pero no creo que el cambio era por Xavi si no por Tello.

    Como en bien chileno para el Martes, el DT tendran que 'poner toda la carne en la parrilla.
  12. posteador Member

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    Guardiola queria cuidar a Alexis y Fabregas para el partido contra el Chelsea... creo que tendran su revancha.
  13. chewie4917 Member

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    One problem that I've noticed with Barcelona is the lack of a natural and physically strong centre forward. I think that such a player is needed desperately here, even if he is not a starter and is limited to a rotation role.

    If you guys saw the game, you would have noticed that Barca had no player who could, or would, stand between or behind Madrid's two central defenders, Pepe and Ramos. Messi, as phenomenal as he is, can't fulfil this duty effectively because he gets out-muscled and hacked too often. The end result, as we all saw, was that the Barca players formed an arch in the final third and were forced to pass the ball sideways the majority of the time, or they were simply driven as far wide as possible.

    This would not happen to the same extent if Barca had someone like Drogba, for example, standing between Pepe and Ramos. He's too strong and experienced to get shoved around. This also brings the others into the game as such a player can take the hacks and nudges and hold the ball if necessary.

    The game only changed for Barca because Sanchez was able to attract more attention from the Madrid backline, which freed up Messi.

    Just my view.
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    They tried that with Ibrahimovic (probably one of the best big 9's of the world) and failed to win the champions league... IMO that is only a factor but not the main issue which is...

    This. ... a '9' or strilers to make runs around the box and create SPACE for 90 minutes.... and obviously the midfielders to make follow-up runs into the box, when this space is created. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESUiDY-5DVE"][/ame] Sanchez and Villa are the only two Barca players qualified for this role... with Villa ruled out and Sanchez injured more often than not, this proved to be all the difference. They need a third option... maybe someone from their academy?

    In the first half, the front three were too static and made it easy on the defenders. In the second half, with Sanchez moving all over the place, defenders were forced out of position, which Iniesta and Messi exploited. Sanchez was instrumental in that goal. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDUlOFtngMk&feature=related"]Compare last match to this match, where everyone was moving out of position a lot more.[/ame]

    This is the main role of the front men, to create space so that Messi, Iniesta, Fabregas, Xabi, etc... move in the created room to cause some damage.
  15. HeartandSoul Moderator

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    In S.America NTs know how to properly man-mark Messi which is why he's never explosive during the qualifiers/CA.

    Yesterday RM had no shame and did the same and so has Chelsea for the most part. Over the last 3 meetings between Barca and Chelsea stemming from 2009, Messi hasn't been able to turn it on ever.
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    Me parece injusto que nadie aquí mencione el mérito táctico del Madrid y de Mourinho en lo conseguido ayer. O sea, no todo puede ser "error" o "mala tarde" del Barca, verdad?
  18. chewie4917 Member

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    Yeah, I agree; this is pretty much what I meant.

    On my first point, I only suggested the signing of a key position centre forward like Drogba because it'd be valuable against certain teams, even if such a player does not feature in the starting eleven regularly.

    If Sanchez gets injured, and with Villa already out, Guardiola will find it difficult to beat the best teams out there next season in the latter stages of the UCL; he may even find it tough to challenge Madrid for the league title. If you look at Madrid, the reliance on C. Ronaldo isn't as strong there as the reliance on Messi at Barca. The former has 42 goals so far this season; Higuain and Benzema have 21 and 18 respectively.

    As great as his midfielders are, Guardiola can't expect them to be scorers. He needs a proven, third choice forward next season and possibly a fourth choice player from the academy.
  19. chewie4917 Member

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    Mou did well, but about time. After failing consistently against Barca and with the millions of Euros spent on forming that 'champagne' team, it wasn't exactly a tough ask.

    He is a proven manager of big teams, when they're already stocked up in talent, with money to spare, and when they've already been groomed nicely and set up by a previous manager (e.g. Ranieri [latter years] & Abramovich's petrodollars at Chelsea, Mancini at Inter Milan, & Pellegrini at Real Madrid). The UCL triumph with Porto 2003-04 was worthy of objective and balanced praise, and nothing more than that (Remember the pancake draw?! The big teams were eliminated early).

    I'd like to see him at a team like Sunderland or Getafe.
  20. posteador Member

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    He did a good job, yes, but I think people don't mention it that much because, let's face it, he's had about 10 clásicos to get here, plus the biggest pool of talent outside Barcelona and the biggest spending budget for a club in the world. I think people are more '...it was about time', than '...wow what a great coach'. I think Pellegrini would have achieved a victory against them as well given a bit more time...
  21. Rickdog Member

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    You crazy ?, :eek:
    Mou, has won titles in almost every team he has coached, almost since his beginings as coach in Portugal. Where he has had smaller teams as well, making them reach top positions, but his main assets came back with Oporto, with whom they won both the UEFA and the champions league, long before he coached Chelsea, Inter or Real Madrid, to their respective championships.

    You may not like his style, I personally don`t like it (too defensive), but despite this issue, the guy is a proven world class champion in whatever team he coaches.

    Btw, I`m glad that Real beat Barcelona. I will always prefer Real over Barcelona (maybe due to the years "Bam Bam" played there, and because of their white uniform)
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    I don't think that can be applied to Mou anymore... credit to him, he has proven he can play pressing football if he wants to and has had R.Madrid score a record amount of goals... he is known for his counter-attacking game, but he can change the dinamic of his team at any time during a game.
  23. Rickdog Member

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    I don`t deny his cappability to change his strategy in a game, prove to him of his worthiness as a coach, but he always prefers to play from the back and as you say so, rely on his teams players abbility in counter strikes. If he didn`t have the players he actually has in Real, (very talented ones, btw), his team wouldn`t score the great amounts of goals we see.

    But without a doubt, he would still be managing to end up at top of wherever he plays.
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    No question about it... that is why we are not giving him too much credit for this win over Barca. He pretty much HAD to win sooner or later.
  25. MetroChile Member+

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    So you're saying he only won both the UEFA Cup and Champions League simply because of luck? Very compelling argument...

    For all the Guardiola lovers out there, it'd be great to see him win the CL with at least one other team...that doesn't have Xavi, Iniesta, Messi. I mean could argue the same thing, no? Is it really that difficult wo win the CL when you have those three right now?

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