Canada Ripe for major league expansion and MLS.

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  1. TFCMANU

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    I find this interesting, Your thoughts please:

    The report’s authors are also bullish on pro soccer, suggesting Calgary, Edmonton and Ottawa will all be able to support Major League Soccer teams by 2035, in addition to the existing teams in Montreal, Toronto and Vancouver.


    http://metronews.ca/sports/345987/ca...rts-expansion/


  2. Orlando Rays

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    And how many of those markets are larger than the smallest current MLS market (Salt Lake City or Columbus)?

    My understanding is that there is a wide gulf of size between the three main metro areas of Canada (Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver) and everyone else. This isn't hockey. And all the current U.S. markets are growing too, in large part. By the time the other Canadian markets are "ready", if ever, they would be dominated in the same way expansion franchises in the other main sports historically tend to be.

    By the time those markets are "ready", it would probably be time for Canada to have its own top-tier pro league.
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    If those three cities can support teams, they can take Montreal, Vancouver, and Toronto and create their own league.


  5. AndyMead

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  6. The 92nd Fish

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    Those cities aren't going to get teams and neither are they going to form their own league. The furthest Montreal, Vancouver and Toronto would ever do is possibly place reserve teams in a Canadian league, MLS is far too lucrative for them to abandon for a Canadian league.
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    All of these points are true.

    Earlier this year I had an off the record conversation with someone in MLS about the possibility of a future "MLS Canada" if more markets become viable and second teams get placed in Toronto and Montreal. I was basically told "no chance".

    The three teams in MLS aren't going anywhere any time in the foreseeable future. And the other markets in Canada aren't nearly big enough - compared to the list of available markets in the U.S. without MLS teams to be in the conversation.
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    True, They would only need 8-10 teams to form their own Pro-League

    so if they put 2 teams in Toronto.

    1 Toronto, ON 5,132,794 - 2 teams
    2 Montreal, QC 3,407,963
    3 Vancouver, BC 2,135,201
    4 Calgary, AB 1,095,404
    5 Edmonton, AB 960,015
    6 Ottawa, ON 933,596
    7 Quebec City, QC 696,946

    This would make a 8 team league NASL style (4X games) = 28 game regular season plus playoffs


    8 Winnipeg, MB 671,551
    9 Hamilton, ON 670,580

    This would make a 10 team league play 3X each other = 27 + Playoffs.

    Both are right, they won't leave MLS.

    But remember CSA gives the teams a waiver, they technically could remove that waiver and the teams would not be allowed to play in MLS (NOT GOING TO HAPPEN).

    Also if Canada had enough teams to form their own league, what excuse could they give FIFA to not form a league? (FIFA Would not care if they had one I bet, maybe only if they bid for a World cup).



    Having said all that, I think Canada best hope is for a few NASL teams in Calgary and maybe Ottawa city.
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    Bingo. You're far more likely to see a Canadian division in NASL or USL Pro.

    The only way I see a fourth Canadian team in MLS is if/when MLS has over 30 teams and that second Canadian team would be in the Toronto/Hamilton metroplex.

    And I don't see MLS at more than 20 teams for a while and more than 24 for a longer while.
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    As far as I know there is a ban from the CSA for teams below D2 in the USA.

    But that is more easily changed IMO than a total ban.
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    Historical reasons, that's how the Welsh teams get away with playing in the English league even though a Welsh league has been operation since the 90s. They'll just say they joined MLS when there was no decent Canadian league and FIFA will waive them to continue, just like Cardiff, Swansea, Wrexham, Newport and Merthyr. Either that or they'd just bribe them them...this is Blatter's FIFA after all.

    I totally agree about NASL/USL though. Winnipeg, Ottawa (already have a place in NASL), Calgary and Quebec City could all support teams there if they wanted, in addition to the already existing Edmonton. Of course Winnipeg's potential has been dented a little by getting the Jets back and if Quebec City ever gets an NHL team again, that'll make that market less likely. Although I still don't understand why the Impact don't just put an NASL team in Quebec City and use it for developing their youngsters, it'd be better than the MLS Reserve Division and as I remember Montreal considered it in the build up to entering MLS.
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    Canada Ripe? Don't they make ginger ale?
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    It would happen if this Canadian League has enough money to tempt the owners of Montreal, VAncouver and Toronto to move.

    How about $100 million payment each and $300 million total?

    So, it would be like this.

    Bill Gates create the Canadian League. Pay $300 million to Tor, Van, Montreal to move league. The Canadian soccer league is born.

    It's like asking NFL teams to move out of the NFL and into the CFL. They would do it if they are paid $3 billion each.
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    This is getting silly
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    Canada should form its own league and play a FIFA sanctioned fall-spring schedule so it can be one up against MLS reference European transfers.
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    Considering that the study looks at a time window out to 2035, it's fair to assume that the prospect of a much bigger MLS is what they intended to evaluate from the start. There's no way they could presume that Canada would get three more sides in a league of 24 or fewer. It looks, to my eyes, like they're endorsing a larger framework as viable for both Canada and the US.
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    Yeah, perhaps this is some fantasy scenario where MLS is in the realm of two 20 team leagues... an east and a west.... If we're talking a volume of 40 some teams it seems plausible, sure.

    (although 2035 seems early for a scenario like that to occur)
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    You do realize that FIFA doesn't tell any country when to play its league games, right....? That there is no "FIFA sanction" regarding schedules, and they have absolutely no interest whatsoever in them other than keeping international dates open....? You do know these things, don't you?
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    o_O

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    Mexico city, or another large Mexican region is much more enticing to me personally
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    The point is Mexico City has it's team (in fact it has another two fairly successful teams as well). Why on earth would it ever want an MLS franchise and why would one have any chance of succeeding there?
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    Seriously, why are you taking me seriously?
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    It is more stupid of you to take me so seriously. Can you not see what quote I originally replied to in this thread?

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