BSMX's Official Mexican National Team Random Thoughts Thread

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  1. el-choul Super Moderator

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    The way I look at it, the only long period of time Chepo had with the group was prior to the Gold Cup, and that was a necessary win, so I'm ok with him not experimenting extensively with flexibility. I also think it's hard to both try out new players in standard positions, and implement new tactical schemes at the same time. Now that he's had the team for a while, and there is a large base of players that know what he wants, I see the next set of friendlies as a chance to work on that formation flexibility. Of course, who knows if he'll actually do it.

    The U23s, in contrast, have had a minicamp and Copa America together, a minicamp and Panamerican games, and will have a minicamp and Olympic qualifiers. It's a shame that team had the Quito incident. It'd be nice if the entire group was used to working/playing together.
          
  2. Rebaño_Sagrado Member+

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    I'm leaning towards this side of the fence on this topic myself. Although, during his time in Chivas he did show some flexibility when it came time to change tactics. In particular, I remember the game against America where it was rumored a bad result he'd lose his job.
  3. ...In my defense Member+

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    You've got a point there.

    But Aguirre and Carrillo used the friendlies leading up to the WC to experiment with different lineups and formations. We saw a glimpse of the 4-3-3 during the second half of the New Zealand game in March of '10 and the result was very positive (although New Zealand wasn't much of a threat from an offensive standpoint). In the subsequent games, Aguirre and Carrillo devoted more time to the way the team should work on and off the ball and the players quickly adapted to what the coaching staff asked from them. As we all know, the England and Italy games were the best examples of the experiment although I think Aguirre pulled the emergency break during the World Cup and changed some things around that might've wreaked a bit a havoc within the team at a crucial time.

    As far as Chepo goes, the only tactical change we've seen from him in over twelve games was against El Salvador when he withdrew a DM and moved Guardado to the center. Other than that, his subs are usually player substitutions as opposed to a change in tactics, which is quite troubling when the team is winning by a margin of two or more in a friendly.

    With WC Qualifying around the corner, I don't know if Chepo will use the upcoming friendlies to experiment with different tactical set ups although I truly hope he does since by the time we got into the knockout stages of the Gold Cup, the opposing coaches had him figured out.

    Hector Gonzalez Inarritu (and Nestor before him) has clarified that part of the idea is to have all youth national teams, U15 - U23, be well versed in two different tactical set ups, the 4-2-3-1 and the 3-5-2. We saw the former with the senior NT but not the latter, so far. The U17s played more of a 4-4-2 than a 4-2-3-1 and the U20s and Copa America/Panamerican squad played a slightly different version of the 3-5-2 and at one point early in the Copa America preparation process, they also played a 4-4-2.
  4. Phenom Member+

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    The PanAm squad played a 4-4-2.
  5. lalo_azteca Member

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    Some other faults I'm seeing from Chepo that is nothing new from prior managers but I thought it would change son los caprichos y manejos externos and I will highlight two players as examples.....

    Vela not being called up while Gio, Barrerra, etc. are is a capricho and a double-standard he's setting porque los otros son igual de irregulares en sus clubes. I know I wouldn't be bothered as much if he wasn't called up if only Chepo fuera congruente.

    The Molina callup seems pretty shady y para mi ay manejo de promotor or simply la mentalidad de que si juegas para el America tienes que ser mejor (y eso que soy Americanista lo digo). Si no se recuedan antes de pasar al America en Tigres he was benched most of the past clausura over Viniegra by el Tuca, going by that why wasn't Viniegra called up? Just saying. Es mas Molina's first callup came after just starting a few games with America. I see the potential in Molina and if going by potential I hope Chepo seen that kid from Santos, Rodolfo Salinas, I think he has a real upside as a two-way mid.
  6. ...In my defense Member+

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    The 3-5-2 was the preferred line up for the group stage games. It wasn't until the knockout stages that Tena switched up.

    I see nothing shady about Molina being called up since he's one of the best DMs in the league, especially when you consider his age (23).

    Besides, the kid had already been capped by Vasco in the lead up to the 2010 World Cup and didn't embarrass himself when he suited up for the national team, most notably a few months ago against Poland.
  7. lalo_azteca Member

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    I think thats a bit too far to say he's one of the best in the league especially since he might in fact start off the new season in the bench with Piojo's new scheme he's bringing to America. Don't get me wrong I see the potential but from what I've seen he doesn't do anything extaordinary well.
  8. Agapito X Fa Member+

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    no tri for vela :D

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  9. LGRod Member+

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    Nice try muchacho! NEXT!
  10. RJD22 Member

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    Guys? I'm pretty sure this has been discussed elsewhere, but I can't find the thread, So I'll post it here. Ok, If I were to buy a Jersey today which jersey would I get?
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    Every site I go to seems to have the jersey with this new Letter and #'s Font, but the last time the Seleccion played they still had the old Lettering and #'s on their jerseys. What's the deal? Are those going to be used during WCQ's? Alright, well thank's for all the help and any info you can give me.
  11. Talisman Member+

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    Get the one on the left
  12. Baysic Member+

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    I cant wait until he drops the "chicharito" on his jersey and puts his real name like he did during the world cup.

    He probably wont hate it until hes older though...

    as for that choice....the left one looks better in the name...but i like the block numbers better...specially on the front.
  13. Perndog2006 Member+

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    I am loving all of these Mexico & olympics threads on this forum. sharp contrast from 4 years ago and the Hugo sanchez mega fail.


    the tides have turned and a new horizon is painted towards london.


    we will rape over there

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  14. Hecho en Chivas Member+

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    i hope so Pern

    then again, we had a pretty accessible group in the 2004 Olympics and look how that turned out
  15. SoDamnSmooth Member+

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    I seriously think that we have more talented youngsters now than we ever have.
  16. Swag Flu Member+

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    It's time you've changed your name to Rapedog2012. Do it.
  17. SoDamnSmooth Member+

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    My name is SoDamnSmooth and I approve this message.
  18. Pirru Member+

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    We should only play in black.

    Salcido needs to gtfo.
  19. Tecos U.A.G. Member

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    Hugo Sanchez was right, when they wear green they can see each other, the stats prove it.
  20. Shzm13 Member+

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    Yet everyone wanted to kill him for saying it.

    I loved listening to Hugo during copa america. Talked about wanting to work in the FMF to make sure we faced the best competition. Off that reason alone id prefer him to the current clowns.
  21. SoyOllin Member

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    I'm sure some where deep in that deluded mind of his, he has some great ideas, and it seems the black jersey one might have been one of them.
  22. Rebaño_Sagrado Member+

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    He preferred the white one, but I digress.
  23. Tecos U.A.G. Member

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    Was he the one who wanted to bring back the Vinotinto?
  24. verdirame86 Member

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    Se deberia de jugar con la camiseta de color negro, la verde se deberia de usar como secundaria, o hacer una blanca, el verde es un color feo ya no debe de usarse.
  25. Mr. P Mosh Member+

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