I think the Muricy story. I just don't think it would have worked out if he hypothetically divided his duties with Fluminense and the Seleção. We need someone who will dedicate their focus to the Seleção, considering this Cup is HUGE for us. Waiting till January to make a hire is wasted time. European action will still be going on between now and January and the new coach could keep his eye on players overseas. Well, that is, if Felipão (who is unemployed), isn't already scouting players by now because he knows he'll take over.
According to Lancenet, Pep Guardiola said that he would coach the NT "tomorrow" and be world champs.... http://www.lancenet.com.br/minuto/Selecao_Brasileira_0_815918642.html
Will brazil really go for a foreign coach? I think countries like Brazil, Argentina, Germany, Holland, Italy have a rich footballing history and culture and would never hire a foreigner. England did it but they haven't come close to winning anything since 1966 so that's a different story.
Of all places, I saw this on yahoo.com ("Brazil fires coach") and I immediately accessed Brazilian websites. I'm not opposed to this, but I question the timing. Why now? Why not, say, immediately after the Olympics? Granted, Brazil had a few decent results after the fiasco in London and certain club coaches floundered, but why not get rid of him right away as CBF did with Vanderlei Luxemburgo in 2000? These few months would've afforded the new manager precious time to build the new team. Brazil has no matches until 2013 (a friendly against England in February if I'm not mistaken). What will the new manager do until then? And ironically they got rid of him right when his team (with European players) was beginning to take shape.
Most likely just BS. It would be a huge risk for anyone to take that job, specially a foreigner. I don't even want to imagine whats going to happen if a foreigner comes and loses the WC in Brazil. And with this team it's very likely to happen. So I would almost call it a suicide job. Though I think it would be amazing if Pep took over a Selecão. Our chances to win the cup would at least be bigger with him.
Dunga was MUCH SUPERIOR to Mano in every way except PR. Mano has a softer personality and he knew how to handle the media better. Dunga is marrento to the core but he formed a group of committed players with a defined system which earned us two Copas (America and Confeds) and several victories over Argentina, Uruguay, and Italy (and over the first two, 3-1 and 4-0 on their home grounds in World Cup qualifying). With Dunga, Brazil lost SIX matches in 4 years, and if not for a Felipe Melo temper tantrum and a few inches on a Kaka kick, Brazil would have defeated the Netherlands in 2010. I'm not saying I would want Dunga back, but that would not be a step backwards. He'd rebuild the defense, for starters, and given how well we did vs. top 10 teams with him, I doubt we would've struggled against top-name teams as we did with Mano.
what is not exactly?? All I stated are the facts it may not be true! After-all that ranking says Greece is better than Brazil People were saying Brazil struggles against top 10 teams and, I was offering an answer as to why
1 Spain 1606 0 42 2 Germany 1437 0 16 3 Argentina 1290 0 -59 4 Italy 1165 1 -4 5 Colombia 1164 3 54 6 England 1151 0 -16 7 Portugal 1144 -3 -34 8 Netherlands 1124 -1 -4 9 Russia 1070 0 -14 10 Croatia 1064 0 -14 11 Greece 1033 1 29 12 Switzerland 1004 4 38 13 Ecuador 999 4 48 14 Côte d'Ivoire 995 1 21 15 Mexico 994 -1 10 16 Uruguay 975 -5 -72 17 France 949 1 11 18 Brazil 946 -5 -48
Not doing well in Copa America is reflected in these rankings but, yes they are not a good representation especially for a team like Brazil which has been rebuilding. Keep in mind you lost 3 games in 2012. Many of the teams above you lost less.
From writer Menon of www.uol.com.br's sports pages and www.trivela.com. Succint, to the point, this text explains it all. Mano Menezes caiu em seu melhor momento. Ao contrário do que dizem, já tem uma base formada, com Daniel Alves, Thiago Silva, David Luiz, Marcelo, Ramires, Paulinho, Kaká, Oscar e Neymar. Falta achar um goleiro e decidir se o time terá um centroavante – Damião, Fred, Luis Fabiano – ou um atacante pelo lado como Hulk ou Lucas. Então, não caiu por resultados, apesar de eles não serem bons. Não houve grandes vitórias, mas se fosse por resultados, a hora seria após a vergonha da Copa América. A queda de Mano é o lance de Marin e Marco Polo del Nero para ganhar a eleição da CBF em 2014. Eles estão afastando Andrés Sanches do centro do poder. Mesmo que ele não saia, ficará totalmente desprestigiaado. E terá de construir sua candidatura fora do círculo do poder. E é muito difícil conseguir votos das federações sem um grande poder de convencimento. Tudo o que Andrés puder oferecer a uma federação, Marin e Marco Polo poderão fazer com mais quantidade e intensidade. Marin é São Paulo. Marco Polo é Palmeiras. Andrés é Corinthians. Os dois grandes se uniram contra o rival. Mano foi apenas um peão jogado fora do tabuleiro.
O mundo do futebol vai ficar de olho. Eu pessoalmente não sou contra um gringo. Se vier o Pep Guardiola, acho muito difícil a gente não ganhar a Copa. É verdade que treinar seleção não é treinar clube, mas o cara é muito melhor do que qualquer técnico em atividade no Brasil. Tudo bem que o Barcelona tinha jogadores muito melhores que o Santos, mas o Pep deu uma aula tática no Muricy (e eu gosto muito do Muricy). O Grêmio deu um contrato de 2 anos pro Luxa. O Santos tem contrato com o Muricy e o Corinthians tem contrato até o final de 2013 com o Tite. O Muricy mostrou quando estava com o Fluminense que não abriria mão do time (apesar de ter saído pra depois treinar o Santos). Se o Corinthians vencer o Mundial de Clubes, a pressão para ele ficar vai ficar maior, ainda mais porque a Gaviões vai querer que o Tite fique para tentar o bi da Libertadores. Em 1998-1999, o Brasil tentou essa de ter um técnico de time e seleção e eventualmente ele teve que largar o time (Luxemburgo; Corinthians e Brasil). Pelo menos Joel Santana na seleção a gente nunca vai ver.
It has nothing to do with rebuilding. The point is that we don't play World Cup qualifiers. Therefore every time an old World Cup qualifier (for 2010) drops off and no longer counts it is replaced by a game that has less weight. So even if we played Argentina, in Argentina and won 3x1 in the same month that our 3x1 win from qualifiers was being removed from the rankings calculation, we would lose points, despite having gotten the same result in the same place against the same team.
I understand that. The post was made as a joke. Most people don't take the rankings seriously For me one is only a good as their last tournament and the world cup. The ranking is determined on the pitch and not all these calculations. Based on that Brazil is somewhere in the top 8.
Thanks CB. And that is why, while I did not like Mano, I like the reasoning behind firing him even less. I wish they had fired him because they had someone with a plan coming in and the plan looked good, but that's not how it works. Maybe even more so than your average fan the cartolas are the type of idiot who think any coach can win as long as the players care enough to play hard, since we're Brazil, so all you have to do is hire someone and look good and collect the votes.
Tenho medo que o estilo de futebol da Seleção seja completamente diferente do que qualquer estilo Guardiola tinha conduzido. Se isso fosse longo prazo, acho que Guardiola seria bom pra caramba. Mas, não há tempo pra implementação. Por isso, o curto prazo, acho que Dunga poderia ser o melhor cara pelo cargo. Já tem conhecimento recente nos jogadores e já sofreu sob a CBF. Ele pode aguentar a merda. Se eu mesmo ouvir o nome de Joel Santana para isso, vou deixar de acompanhar futebol completamente.
Do you guys think that something recently went down behind the scenes? As many have said the timing is strange.
I have absolutely no doubt that houve algum tipo de marmelada ou malandragem. I insist Mano wasn't the man for the job, but this was probably the strangest time to fire him. O cara voltou da Argentina com uma copa na bagagem. Sim, uma copa "amistosa," mas uma copa assim mesmo. O time finalmente estava jogando bola decentemente com a chegada do Kaká. Por que agora em vez de antes?
Everybodys favorite miserable shit stirrer: It might be that everyone in this country is too afraid of the PC bullshit that this country obsesses about. But I love this dude, no filter at all.
I was shocked when I heard about this, I thought Mano was staying until 2014. I wonder who will take the position, I think Scolari would be good or even Muricy... But they dont have much time to prepare for 2013 Confederation Cup since there is no games until 2013... Something must of happened behind closed doors because if Brazil wanted him gone they would of sacked him right after the Olympics. Are yous happy to see Mano sacked when there is not much time to prepare for 2013 confed and 2014 WC? Good Luck with Brazil and there new coach