News: Breaking: DC and NY Swap Home Dates

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  1. ImaPuppy

    ImaPuppy Member+

    Aug 10, 2009
    Using too many parentheses
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
    I think this is grounds for complaints from D.C. and negates the point of D.C. finishing ahead of NY. This, coupled with the decision of MLS 3/4 of the way through the season for "goals for" to be the first tie-breaker while NY (and L.A.) conveniently held an advantage in that department is a little frustrating, even from a somewhat neutral perspective. Discuss:

    http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/artic...ew-york-dc-swap-home-dates-mls-playoff-series
     
  2. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  3. Oobers

    Oobers Member+

    Oct 17, 2011
    Boise
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Yeah it's not like there was some freaking huge storm or anything.
     
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  4. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Umm.... WTF?? You are aware that New York/NJ was just creamed by a hurricane, right?? And that Red Bull Arena is currently without power and may not have power come Saturday and that getting to the game for most of the fans will be near impossible?

    MLS is in a tough spot regardless of the decision. They can either delay the start of the NYRB/DCU series until Red Bull Arena is ready to go and throw their entire playoff schedule out of whack..
     
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  5. edwardgr

    edwardgr Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 6, 2006
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes MLS and RBNY conspired to have a perfect storm hit the Jersey shore when it became evident that DC would finish higher. No grounds for complaint whatsoever . Now the other decision regarding GD was obviously dubious but the mother of all storms will make some changes necessary.
     
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  6. MasterShake29

    MasterShake29 Member+

    Oct 28, 2001
    Jersey City, NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    For anyone who wants to complain: tell us, what would be your solution?
     
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  7. edwardgr

    edwardgr Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 6, 2006
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Merged the threads couldn't tell which was created first so I kept the Breaking News sue me :)
     
  8. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Don't know. S*** happens. It's not like the reason for the switch hasn't been well-advertised, or that there was anything that could be done about it.

    The only alternative I could see would be to delay the series for a few days, but that could wind up playing hell with the rest of the schedule.
     
  9. ImaPuppy

    ImaPuppy Member+

    Aug 10, 2009
    Using too many parentheses
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
    This isn't the point. The point is it takes rightfully won home-field advantage away from one team, and grants it to another. You're telling me there's no possible way they could have relocated the home leg for NY somewhere further inland and kept the dates the same? How about play on neutral ground for both legs so its at least equal? Either way that seems more fair than what they've proposed.
     
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  10. blockski

    blockski Member

    Feb 13, 2009
    Club:
    DC United
    1. Play the game as scheduled. The NFL will play in NJ on Sunday, the NY marathon will run as scheduled on Sunday, too.

    2. Play the game as scheduled, at an alternate location. If RBA isn't workable, then play at the Meadowlands (which will be hosting an NFL game the next day). If that's not available, then travel down to Philly and borrow one of their stadiums. Most extreme case, play both legs at RFK. They can play the first leg without fans if necessary.

    3. Shift dates slightly as to not bump the overall playoff schedule too much - instead of Sat-Wed, play Sun-Thu.
     
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  11. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    Both legs at RFK!
     
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  12. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah.. I'm totally sure they could have lined up a stadium, sold tickets to that new stadium, and gotten fans to come to this new stadium all with a few days notice...

    It sucks to be DCU, but your alternatives are just silly.
     
  13. zensum

    zensum Member+

    Jan 22, 2008
    The Bronx, NYC
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    The sensible solution opposed by DC and just days after de Bontin stands strong on principle...

    hmm...
     
  14. blockski

    blockski Member

    Feb 13, 2009
    Club:
    DC United
    As opposed to DCU, which now has to sell tickets and get fans to come to their stadium all with a few days notice?

    I've been in touch with friends who were set to go to the game on Wed, but can't make it on Sat. Do they get refunds? Does DCU have to give them refunds? Will MLS be covering their costs?
     
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  15. MasterShake29

    MasterShake29 Member+

    Oct 28, 2001
    Jersey City, NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, play the game at RBA. Sure, it will be empty and sure, there might not be any power, but hey, why not?

    Genius.
     
  16. ImaPuppy

    ImaPuppy Member+

    Aug 10, 2009
    Using too many parentheses
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
    Announcing it yesterday and giving 4 days notice would be plenty of time if using someone else's stadium. Say...Philly's.

    Sorry but this was handled poorly. They waited too long to figure shit out and decided that taking a clear advantage away from one team was the way to go about it. Poor decision.
     
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  17. MasterShake29

    MasterShake29 Member+

    Oct 28, 2001
    Jersey City, NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, everyone should have focused on this instead of, you know, trying to put their lives back together and avoid dying.
     
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  18. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Note the frequent references to "new stadium". :) Stadiums and agreements to use those stadiums don't just fall out of the sky.
     
  19. ImaPuppy

    ImaPuppy Member+

    Aug 10, 2009
    Using too many parentheses
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
    Don't even pull that crap. There are enough people working in this league to be able to make an announcement like this sooner with a much better outcome.
     
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  20. MasterShake29

    MasterShake29 Member+

    Oct 28, 2001
    Jersey City, NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What would have been the better outcome?
     
  21. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, but... when you qualify for the first round of the playoffs (or the second round, or the first round proper, or the conference semifinals, or whatever the hell we're calling them now), you're supposed to get a home game. You say that doing this is taking a clear advantage away from one team? Well, not as much as having one team's home match COMPLETELY taken away. DC gets a home game, NY has to play one on the road and one at a neutral site? That's fair?

    There are no good solutions here. Just different degrees of bad.
     
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  22. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    This would have ben preferable to the decision that was made to remove by fiat the home-field advantage secured by DCU over the course of an entire season.

    What was I saying in another thread about a league which makes up rules as it goes along?
     
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  23. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Unfortunately, THOSE PEOPLE LIVE IN NYC AND NYC GOT CREAMED BY A HURRICANE.
     
  24. looknohands

    looknohands Member+

    Apr 23, 2009
    Louisville, KY
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ...and we know for a fact that RBA will have power, and have full access available for transportation?

    In other words, throw a whole bunch of revenue down the drain just to appease DC fans?

    Yes, let's avoid the obvious and easy remedy and not worry about the knock-on effects of shifting the schedule around.

    Take care of business on the field and you won't have to worry about finding excuses.
     
  25. Freestyle2000

    Freestyle2000 Moderator

    Feb 6, 2000
    LA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    This is true. Nothing will make everyone happy.

    So, from a PURE SPORTING SENSE, which is better: Making the team that earned the higher seed happy, or making the team that earned the lower seed happy?

    In the end, it will only become really significant from a sporting sense if the series is tied and goes into the 30-minute overtime, now to be held at NY rather than at DC. But man, it's frustrating nonetheless.

    R.
     
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